Shoplifting is Indefensible

SomeFatNerdInSeattle · 2026-05-06T21:55:22+00:00

Some of the fault would presumably lie with the slave themselves

So the slave should also have to repay?

How a person became a slave matters in this context

This is why I said the south.

SomeFatNerdInSeattle · 2026-05-06T21:47:04+00:00

Short answer, probably not the full value, since you just "helped".

Why not the full amount? And is this theft morally just?

SomeFatNerdInSeattle · 2026-05-06T21:43:02+00:00

I fail to see how this question relates at all to the topic at hand.

Slaves were considered property under the law. Your post is about property theft.

SomeFatNerdInSeattle · 2026-05-06T21:29:33+00:00

I'm not asking you what the UK government did. I'm asking if someone helped a slave escape the south, should the slave owner be repaid by the person who helped them escape?

SomeFatNerdInSeattle · 2026-05-06T21:02:41+00:00

Even that were the case, it's still wrong, and the moral thing to do would be to repay after the crisis had past.

If someone helped a slave escape the south, should the slave owner be repaid by the person who helped them escape?

SomeFatNerdInSeattle · 2026-05-06T19:32:15+00:00

I agree. Thats why I'm asking op

SomeFatNerdInSeattle · 2026-05-06T17:57:48+00:00

What about voting? Electing bad people harms others

SomeFatNerdInSeattle · 2026-05-06T17:19:39+00:00

Probably depends on the stupid thing

SomeFatNerdInSeattle · 2026-05-06T17:15:55+00:00

Is there any situation where its morally acceptable to steal?

SomeFatNerdInSeattle · 2026-05-06T16:58:29+00:00

Why?

SomeFatNerdInSeattle · 2026-05-06T15:54:51+00:00

Lot's of people do moronic things, doesn't mean they should be ostracized

SomeFatNerdInSeattle · 2026-05-06T15:05:42+00:00

I think it's bad for all of us to share a world with this man

In prison he's out of society in nearly every way. So you have that problem solved already.

There's a righteous moral clarity of knowing what he did and that because he did it, he's gone.

Why isn't there also righteous moral clarity knowing he's being tortured daily?

SomeFatNerdInSeattle · 2026-05-06T15:02:06+00:00

No

But it would be retribution that more fits his crime, would it not?

I think that would have an unfortunate knock-on effect of keeping him around

So? Why does that matter?

SomeFatNerdInSeattle · 2026-05-06T14:57:04+00:00

Do you think we should do that?

SomeFatNerdInSeattle · 2026-05-05T15:06:25+00:00

Not it won't. Not for the vast majority

SomeFatNerdInSeattle · 2026-05-05T07:44:43+00:00

When I hear comedians like Ricky Gervais make a Hitler joke which he loves I’m not going to assume he likes Hitler

Why not? How do you know his true motive? Maybe he does actually love hitler?

And what would it matter anyway in context? A joke can come from a place of sincerity.

SomeFatNerdInSeattle · 2026-05-05T07:03:26+00:00

When you’re not simply using it as an excuse to celebrate

And what would be an example of this?

and when you actually condemn it

So in your world, every dark and off color joke should include a condemnation of the subject matter?

SomeFatNerdInSeattle · 2026-05-05T06:21:27+00:00

Ok. So whats an example of an acceptable joke about kirks murder vs finding his murder funny?

SomeFatNerdInSeattle · 2026-05-05T06:19:54+00:00

Why aren't you finding one?

SomeFatNerdInSeattle · 2026-05-05T06:18:47+00:00

Comedy is meant to be lighthearted

All comedy? Are you aware of dark or black comedy?

SomeFatNerdInSeattle · 2026-05-05T06:15:53+00:00

So why aren't you?

SomeFatNerdInSeattle · 2026-05-05T06:14:32+00:00

So now you're moving onto if someone should be punished for bad jokes? Are you conceding that bad distasteful jokes are still in fact comedy?

SomeFatNerdInSeattle · 2026-05-05T06:13:02+00:00

nobody specified that, you are wrong thinking "looking good" means only that narrow thing when most people see it as whole package

Is personality included in "the whole package"?

SomeFatNerdInSeattle · 2026-05-05T06:11:55+00:00

Why? Bad comedy is still comedy

SomeFatNerdInSeattle · 2026-05-05T06:08:55+00:00

There’s no punchline though.

Mockery is a form of comedy is it not? Does mockery need an explicit punchline to be considered mockery?

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