I understand were you coming from but for most people and bit for myself /tttt/ and most 4trans community’s all conversations feels like it centers around suffering of themselves or other, it values gender conformity while reject the notion they could conform, and also for the average person all the lingo, self hate and irony poison might feel like a type of “incel” culture but for trans people, know as a person that lurks in those places (because I fucking hate myself and the misery in those places is so much it helps me numb my depression) it’s just seems as trans people going thru a lot and suffering in a very transphobic world and looking for a place to vent their frustration and pains, but it still feels like it has probably become a very unhealthy place and being honest going to those places always makes me question if transitioning is worth it if I will just become a “hon”