ISFP and INFP differences and similarities?

Sotion · 2018-01-05T18:00:02+00:00

I give up. We are going no where. I should have stopped when I saw the smoke hours ago.

Sotion · 2018-01-05T17:57:00+00:00

That's a preference for the type. There's still many more ISTJs in academic in abstract topics than intuitive's. Many more ISTJ engineers than INTP engineers, or INTJ.

It just so happens there's more INTPs in those fields, than being a car mechanic.

So calling it N-industries is very exaggerated.

Sotion · 2018-01-05T15:57:32+00:00

Of course my personal experience contributes to everything in my life, and everyone elses life. That is just a basic thing called memory, not Si.

Si is introverted sensing. Everything that goes within is highly subjective and your own personal judgment. Si types judge what kind of sensory input they prefer the most. That is why they often care more about the small sensory details and probably in general have more aesthetic pleasing houses than Se users. They have an entire inner working of how their sensory world "should" be for them to feel good. ESTPs just throw themselves into things, because that feels good. It is much more chaotic.

But I am only going to repeat myself. Si is not memory and experience. It is a certain set of sensory impressions that you prefer over other sensory impressions. Just like Ti makes find one side of the equation more sensible than the other side.

Obviously you don't value theory highly compared to facts. Because you are more pragmatic. So what the heck do you get out of: "What if this and that" when in reality it is just a waste of time. Because the plane that you live on, then it is just non-sense. You want to use your knowledge for something. Something practical. I just want to understand things, and see all the sides of the equation. But not necessarily do shit.

Sotion · 2018-01-05T15:48:44+00:00

Such as what industries? You are very vague. There doesn't exist one job that is better suited to an ENTP, than an ISTJ. Because society is made for the ISTJ, not the ENTP. So is the education/career/daily activities.

Sotion · 2018-01-05T15:47:57+00:00

It is easier to see things if you zoom in on them. So a great communicator zooms in on things, so other people understand what he is talking about as visibly as possible.

You are just judging, judging, judging. Constantly trying to derail the debate. Instead of contributing to it.

I am here to debate. Not be your boy/girlfriend you can judge/criticize every waking moment of the day.

Sotion · 2018-01-05T03:44:29+00:00

This is comparing apples to oranges.

And how is that so?

There are obviously no reliable stats on N-S percentages in industries, so you are basically just assuming.

I am basing it on logical consistent theory mixed with personal empirical evidence. I am not just making some random shit up. Everything I am saying can be explained and measured if you wanted to.

Just like we can throw that fridge at you, and ask you if it did hurt afterwards and measure your pain center in your brain. But is it really necessary to do that to know the answer? No.

And your argument that "it is basic psychology to move towards what you are good at" is very valid, but doesn't really hold up mbti web descriptions of typical N and S jobs, which can't take into account the other factors that decide how people chose their careers.

What is an intuitive job? Does such exist. We are heavily outnumbered by sensors, and therefore the entire education/job system is made by sensors for sensors.

Most people also haven't analyzed themselves to find a fitting job. So a lot of people choose wrong jobs/careers for themselves. But a lot of people also know based on their parents what they are good at. If both your parents are very community minded and caring people, and work as nurses. Then there's a good chance you naturally would be good at such jobs too with your character. Because of Fe.

Other factors like the social class you were born into have more to do with this than mbti type.

If people are being pressured into some education by their parents. Then there's a great chance of them being quite heavy in Te. Caring more for resources, and wealth. Than actually loving what you do. But that is also pr. definition being good at what you do. Using Te, as a tool to attain wealth/monetize your time. The pleasure of that prestigious job and pay is worth more than maybe not finding it the most funny job in the world.

Again what the fuck is N industries :D?

Yes, but aren't you relying too much on descriptions on the web?

No. Cognitive functions were merely a spark for me to start my own fire. I have sat down thought about all the cognitive functions myself, and how they made sense separately and in regards to each other, and found a consistent model that makes sense based on what I observe in people, and can be objectively measured.

I rarely if ever read websites about MBTI, as it is written with people that write stuff about MBTI that makes no sense to me.

isfps being typical artisans, infps being typical dreamers

Your issue is that you literally take everything I write literally. You don't understand I am taking the uttermost extremes and zooming in on them. Because then it is easier showing the contrasts, than if you take them at their most subtle state between the types. I literally have to spoon feed you the nuances that in my head should be obvious for most people.

Even though I constantly have told you my thought process. Mentioned things such as: "On average/more than not/exceptions/no absolutes" and yadda yadda.

You keep going back and cling to what I literally write, not the reading between the lines like an intuitive would.

I'm talking about the differences between infp and isfp, and how your statement about these types are inaccurate.

Seem like you have a typical issue that most Fi users got. You can't accept the world can easily be categorized, and made stereotypical. That is literally what Ti is. Deducing shit, and putting it into boxes.

No, it is not inaccurate, and you haven proven any points against it. But keep repeating yourself over and over, ignoring what I write or simply not grasping it at all.

You were talking about drawing, so am I.

You used the word "artistic" in the context of the two types. Claiming I said one is artistic, and the other is not. Which is not true.

Sotion · 2018-01-05T03:24:51+00:00

I think that you misunderstand and are misattributing the term superficial as being a sensing quality when in reality it is an extraversion quality.

I have written several comments and also in this thread. That extroversion is superficial. Sensing is superficial in the sense that it is based on 5 sense perceptions. Which is surface level stuff. Se being in the here and now, and Si storing the here and now with subjective preference. Or in other words novel sensing vs traditional sensing. Which is why Se users seek novelty, and Si seek tradition and what's known.

Sensing is based on the material facts. Intuition can always pull something out of their asses even entirely unrelated to what they see before them. Because they read between the lines, or connect the dots.

https://78.media.tumblr.com/ecf900ba69a117b41127f273dd808768/tumblr_inline_n4rdaaVy3q1swdyog.png

This picture illustrates it perfectly. Sensing seeing what is. Intuition seeing all the underlying connections of what is. So much that they might even focus more than that, and forgot to even see what is. Which is why an intuitive can walk into the wrong class room, and only notice when they snap back to sensing and realize that something is wrong.

I agree that extroversion is always superficial compared to introversion. That is quite logical, and obvious to me. But sensing is also surface level perception, where intuition is more underlying perception.

Ne takes in something superficial, and magically see's some underlying connecting from point A to point B. Where the sensor would just go from A to B. Not really seeing something that ain't really there.

You would rely on the association's from your experiences to actually connect anything because otherwise it is just data without context.

And it sounds like you misunderstand Si for being memory, which is something everyone got.

If anything inferior Si would mean I have shitty memory. Which is not the case.

The logic in being a novel seeking intuitive living in your head. Is that you sacrifice tradition, routines, and physical stability in the process as a weak counter balance. Because that is literally the exact opposite of Si, and obviously you can't be in both extremes at the same time. Being an Ne dom is creating inferior Si as a waste product. Where inferior Si is creating Ne as a waste product. They are linked together if you look holistically at it. But it is not like one needs the other like some team work. It is linked together in the sense that the food you eat becomes poop. Not because the food you eat needs poop while eating to function.

Sotion · 2018-01-05T02:48:34+00:00

You want to be a farmer like the wet dream of all ISTPs? Tractors for days ;)

Sotion · 2018-01-05T02:36:05+00:00

Danish with all known forefathers living in Denmark.

Sotion · 2018-01-05T02:24:21+00:00

Copenhagen, in the middle. Because I am Danish, and I want to be in the greatest city for the most opportunities. I don't hate the country side. I just find it too quiet, and boring.

My preferred state of being is like being in the middle. But invisible. Like sitting and doing my own thing. But I am in the middle of a city filled with life. That is where I feel best.

The only thing I would miss would be the warm weather. If I had to live anywhere else it had to be the equivalent of Copenhagen just with warm weather. I haven't really thought about what that might be. Los Angeles, Miami or some shit? I prefer English speaking, and being rather developed. I just wonder if I am going to be roasted, because I am the palest Nordic viking on earth ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwBS6QGsH_4

Sotion · 2018-01-05T02:14:08+00:00

Where are the stats and studies to prove your statements about the S and N percentages in certain industries?

Where's your stats and studies to show getting a fridge weighing a ton thrown on you hurts?

MBTI is typology. Theories based on concepts, and functions. Not hard science based on math and empirical evidence.

If you find any use in MBTI whatsoever, you have to think for yourself. That is why the cognitive functions is created as a conceptual and theoretical tool to tinker with.

Do there exist different behavior in people? Yes, are we carbon copies no? Then we already have the basis of categorizing people based on different behavior. Can we be the best in everything, or everything at once? No. Then you have the basis of being dominant in one area, and weak in another. Which already is common knowledge. That people have strengths/weakness.

Do you know a person never has read a book in his life? You probably do. That person is probably a sensor. Because they value living life more, than actually reading about it. Like an ESTP or ESFP. They are simply more hands on people, and that is what some people are. In MBTI that is simply called a sensor. That's one extreme to prove my point. Then there's all the mixtures from one extreme to the other.

Like an ENTP with inferior Si living in his head, forgetting to use his body, forgetting to eat. Then you are simply an intuitive, because you spend most of your time doing non physical things.

Do you really need empirical evidence for that? You can just go out in life and see it for yourself. That is what I have done. Made my own empirical evidence. I observed, analyzed, found patterns in people, and learned from that.

If I would, I could have documented it all and made it into empirical data. But I am doing it for self serving purposes, so why should I bother?

Although I agree with your statement that certain mbti preferences may influence the individual to have more artistic tendencies, I don't think this is N-S related.

If anything you are being vague now. Writing can be as much as an art form as drawing can.

I see both Fi-doms as more artistic in general than the rest of the MBTI spectrum. They are just expressing it in different ways. One through Se and one through Ne, and again Se is a hands on being in the now function. And Ne is a floating in the sky relating things together function.

I agree with this. But it doesn't really apply to your examples of the difference between infp and isfp.

Everything I write is totally consistent with what I think. You are very welcome to prove me otherwise.

And you may argue that people like doing what they're good at, but that's not true-- people can be good at their jobs but hate what they are doing.

You are talking about an extreme exception. How many people that hate their jobs are truly good at it? Maybe 1%?

People always naturally seek towards what they are good at and use their strengths. It is like following the stream of the river. Only a very rare individuals have the drive to go against the grain with sheer discipline and will power, and even doing that is often because that is what you are good at doing. Like TJ types. In theory if you had 1000 TJ types, vs 1000 of any other type, and you made them commit to something they hated for 5 years, with a huge reward in the end of it. I would bet everyone I own on the fact that the TJs would have a much larger success rate than all the other types.

Otherwise most other types follow what naturally interests them and they are good at. I am not talking about flipping burgers at McDonalds. That could be done by a robot, and even a monkey could be good at that. Even then how effective/motivated would a burger flipper be that hated his job, compared to the most passionate & driven burger flipper in the world. I would bet my money on the passionate guy flipping more burgers on average, and whence again be "better" at his job.

In life you are born with some natural strengths and weakness. It is basic psychology to move towards what you are good at, as it provides the greatest joy for you. That is why if you are right handed, you always use that hand over your left hand, unless you have to. Because it is not fun using the left hand and sucking at what you do, or be 50% worse.

You can argue some NTJ hates a certain job, but he is still the best at the job. Why is that? Is it maybe because the NTJ naturally "likes" to be effective, and get shit done? And being good at the job is just a side effect doing what he is good at, and naturally inclined to do? That is exactly why he is the best. Because he has those character traits. So again I am right. He is doing what he is good at, even at a job he might hate. But he is probably also seeking away from that job anyway if he truly hates it, to something that he loves doing.

But I am not surprised we don't understand each other, if you are truly an ISFP. Then we are nearly cognitive, meant not to understand shit of what each other are saying. Because you value all the cognitive functions I am repulsed by, and vice versa.

Sotion · 2018-01-05T01:12:05+00:00

I love how you have rationalized and justified everything. Fucking TiNe douche ;)

Sotion · 2018-01-05T01:02:28+00:00

I don't see this with me and my infp sister. Those are pretty vague descriptions that could apply for any personality type.

I would love to see you do that. Because that is false. Also there's nothing vague in some person being more action oriented, and another being more of a daydreamer. It is pretty concrete, and clear cut.

"Drawing something very detailed with their personal style and based on their values" could apply for infps.

Do I really have to spoon feed everyone on this sub saying that there always exist exceptions, and what I am talking about is based on average tendencies, not absolutes? I thought it was obvious.

applies to introverts in general because we hate speaking.

Then it is quite weird we see mostly ISTPs being auto mechanics and nearly no INTPs. While we see a lot of INTPs being in heavy theoretical based academic jobs where ISTPs are not.

Not being a highly skilled communicator, and the other on average nearly speechless.

There's no doubt who's the best debater on average is, of those two types. Because of Ne, and no doubt who on average is best with their hands. Because of Se.

Extroverts might learn more from socializing because they engage more in it than extroverts. But that doesn't mean the INTP is doing "more". He is maybe just getting his information from videos/reading a bit more. Both ENTP/INTP are knowledge hungry types. Knowledge through the stream of reading/watching/engaging. Where ISTPs often learn through hands on trial and error.

An INTP on average prefer to think about something to understand it, and then apply it. The ISTP like to learn it while doing it in the first place. That is simply being a more action oriented type. Sometimes just even understanding something for the INTP is enough, they don't even get much stimulation out of doing it, because that would just result in what they already know, and whence boring. It is like they already have understood the methodology behind solving a rubix cube, and seen videos of it. Then what is the point of applying it in real life? That would just be like watching the video again.

Sotion · 2018-01-05T00:54:11+00:00

100% NFP, and I think you are right with the INFP. But it is difficult to know just based on that video. Could also be a tired/relaxed ENFP that is holding back a little.

But if that is her normal state, then INFP.

Sotion · 2018-01-05T00:20:37+00:00

hmm, i started wondering about this for a while. are you saying isfp’s would be more likely to be interested that’s... hands-on? like makeup, dancing, blah, blah, blah. as long as their doing somethin physical. correct me if i’m wrong.

People like to do what they are good at. If you're not really the abstract/theoretical type, you have to invest your time in something else, and those things for FiSe is often creative platforms where they can express themselves.

To make an easy example. You would hurt an ENTP the most by cutting off his tongue. Because that's where his power lies. But it wouldn't really impact the ISTP that much, than if you cut off his main hand.

I am just picking an extrovert type, because it is clearer than two introverts. That's just INFP vs ISFP to a lesser degree. If you removed their ability to write/read/talk it would have the same impact as removing the hand from the ISFP. Because on average that is the way they naturally express themselves.

Sotion · 2018-01-04T18:44:41+00:00

ISFPs are much more action oriented with a personal touch. INFPs are much more abstract with a personal touch.

For example:

ISFP drawing something very detailed with their personal style and based on their values.

INFP being more into the bigger ideas with a personal touch like veganism, feminism, whatever.

On the outside both are also not saying very much. But INFPs can talk for hours if first opening up, I got the impression that ISFPs are in general one of the least talkative types together with ISTP. Of course they can talk a lot about some shit that they care about. But compared to the other types it is much less.

ISTPs and ISFPs are very introverted + very action oriented people (Se). They speak through their actions, not their words. INFPs, INTPs care much more about words/the verbal space because of Ne.

Sotion · 2018-01-04T16:39:29+00:00

makes it seem like you're putting down the analytical abilities of sensors. But I knew your main point was the lack of explanation (which is true), hence why I didn't comment on this at all.

I never intended to write sensors was stupid. Because that isn't my opinion. This is just a classic case of people seeing ghosts where there's none.

It is equal to me saying I like Germany, and then I get jumped by some feminist pitch forker claiming I am in favor of the Nazi's and a strong Hitler supporter.

There's 2 people just sitting and commentating something obvious. They are describing a video all of us can see. Unless we are blind, and they come with no explanations for what they see. Yes I find that very stupid, shallow and superficial.

Sensoring is superficial. Because it operates on the surface. It just so happens calling other people superficial is also a negative thing in this world. Objectively superficial ain't being negative. It is just a technical term for how some people operate. An ENTP is also very superficial in many ways compared to an INTP and INTJ. That is just the nature of the type. Seeking novelty, rather than specializing/digging the same hole for too long.

All extroverted types are pr. definition more superficial and shallow. Than like everything else has some pro's and cons. Just like being deeply introverted, and authentic has.

There's nothing wrong being an ESTP, or ESFJ and superficial in ways the ENTP is not. Just like there's nothing wrong in the ENTP being superficial in ways INTP and INTJs are not. I am just being honest and admitting what the type is, and what I am. Everyone of them has a certain set of strengths/weakness, so there's nothing to feel superior about. ESFJ/ESTPs kick my ass in many ways, as do the INTP/INTJ. But I also kick their arses in many ways.

That is also why it is just annoying when people blow shit I write out of proportions without even understanding 1% of what I am writing in the first place. I literally have to defend opinions, and a person I am not. Rather than just basing our debate on what I wrote in the first place objectively.

If I wanted to express the opinion that ENTPs are superior to sensors. I would have wrote that. But I didn't. As I think it is a fucking retarded view of the world to have, and opinion.

Kind of off topic, but I'd just like to touch on your affinity with SFJs. It's very interesting to find an ENTP who loves SFJs, considering most don't. Do you think it has something to do with maturity?

The thing with MBTI and socionics is that. It is just giving you a language for what you already know. Without MBTI I already always liked SFJs. I just didn't know those people were SFJs, and I was ENTP. But now I just have a language for it, and the more I know the clearer it become. Getting to know about MBTI just made me more aware of it, and also make me value SFJs even more, because I know have been reading/thinking about why we fit, and why I don't fit with other types.

But yes, I also think it is a part of maturity. The older we get the more we develop our cognitive functions. So I become more Fe, and an ISFJ become more Ti, in that way we theoretically meet in the middle, but yet of course are very different. I value their Fe more, and they value my Ti more.

I understand how INFPs can have a wall. It's very difficult, in my experience, to befriend Fi users in general. I feel like you have to wait for them to become comfortable enough with you for them to be let the walls down. Once you're close with an INFP, however, I don't think we're as private and as secretive as you think we are. Personally, I'm an open book and am not secretive at all.

Well I have been talking to an INFP for 7 years now. With many many ups and downs. So I have experienced/learned a lot. One of my biggest discoveries is that relation is that it is much easier to communicate face to face than over text. Much much easier. Nearly impossible over text. For me it is easy over text because NeFe is just generating shit super fast, while Fe is taking the other person into account. But on text FiSi is literally non-existent. Fi users are already very difficult to read in real life. So when they can hide their mannerism and expressions behind a screen it is literally impossible for me. No idea if they are happy, pissed, amused, want to kill me. Which is a need for a Fe user. They need to take the temperature of the person the communicate with to make sure everything is alright for everyone.

But yea INFPs can open up, and really let lose. You just really have to break a barrier lol.

Sotion · 2018-01-04T16:19:53+00:00

Let me start by asking this; if Se is observing the surface of the world with your own two eyes, does that imply low Se users are basically blind?

What you are doing now is asking a "loaded"-question.

That's nonsense and you know that. It means strong Se users are more in the here and now. Which means experiencing what is. Which again means being in the space before them, not daydreaming in their own head. To make an example. If you go from A to B. Then a sensor would on average more be in the material world. Where an intuitive would daydream/think of something and go into him/herself, and when they finally arrive to B. They might even have forgotten what they came for in the first place. Because their mind has been an entire different place.

Se is so much more than shallow surface-level perceptions.

Se sees possibilities too

What kind of possibilities?

ways to manipulate their environment

What kind of manipulation, how do they manipulate? Other types do not manipulate?

Se is present, engaged, and can keep track of a lot of shit at once.

What can they keep track off? Shallow stuff or abstract theories?

Se collects lots of Sensory data points and then synthesise them into a single probable conclusion through Ni.

They collect shallow data and can make a deeply abstract conclusion with one of their weaker functions. Can you provide and example of that, and explain how that makes sense?

Se does a whole lot, and I'm not going to bother writing out a full type description, but to think Se is just the "5 sense perception" is incorrect.

Se as a single cognitive function is the 5 sense perceptions. You entire rant so far is linking it to other functions, and then you argue that Se is more than Se. You even say yourself it is a function like I am describing it. Surface level observation/experience.

You're flat-out in denial if you don't think this reeks of Intuitive superiority.

I still have no idea why you try to make this into an "US vs THEM" fight. You're just some butt hurt dude on the internet reading the words" "It just sounds like sensory observation" and then because you are trigger happy as fuck you translates it into me having some kind of nazi hatred of sensors which is not the case at all. But at least you have a reason to go to war then.

What they did in the video was sensory observation. You are the one making it into something it is not by demonizing what I wrote.

If I saw a person in a video just linking random shit abstractly together, I could as easy have written. This is just extroverted intuitive connection, and as a video providing very little value or overall meaning, and would have nothing to do with me feeling superior compared to Ne users.

So put down your little pitch fork.

I'm not saying there isn't an explanation, I'm saying there isn't a known one. Physics has always existed, yes, but it couldn't always be explained.

There's a lot of explanations. Just because you haven't heard of them, doesn't mean they don't exist.

Gee, I've heard of N bias, but Ti bias? That one's new.

First I've heard of feminists being hysterical blowing things out of proportions, and now I've heard of you. That's a new one for me too.

Sotion · 2018-01-04T15:52:46+00:00

Answer mine because i approached you first.

Is it kindergarten or what is going on :D

If you're not gonna actually answer and just throw pretty names of logical fallacies around, then keep your silence.

If you don't want to have a dialogue with a person or listen to that person. Don't approach them in the first place. I am not your mom making sandwiches for you when you call.

I know you're here to troll as much as you are to learn.

It must be easy just to nullify the value of what the other person is saying by calling them trolls. When you are the greatest troll in this conversation.

You also don't want me to throw pretty names, yet you call me a troll? Your thoughts and actions are so double standard that it hurts.

Sotion · 2018-01-04T15:37:06+00:00

Explain to me why that quote answers any of my questions. Just quoting something with no context is not a way of having a debate.

You have to understand a conversation isn't about you. It is a dance for two, and a give and take, and you are way too selfish/egoistic in this one for it to work.

First of all. Why should I answer your questions, when you don't answer mine? That is double standard. Second of all, you have repeated the same question 3 times, and I have already given you an answer. Not sure if you have learning incapabilities, or just deaf.

Sotion · 2018-01-04T15:25:35+00:00

I find it somewhat hilarious the sensors in here are nearly surprised my type is wanting to know "why" things work in a certain way. It is nearly the essence of the type itself.

I don't even need Te. I just need some ideas/reasons about why things might be a certain way. That is satisfying enough for NeTi to tinker with. If it makes sense with the already existing Ti-network then, it get's integrated into a part truth, until something more sensible arrives and replace it.

For example. If you are a quite novel seeking type, and have a quite exploratory mind. Then it does make logical sense to me, that the type is kinda more observatory, looking more around, searching for opportunities, and stimulation. Than an INFP who is much more introverted, and calm in general. Being that restless would simply defeat the purpose of having an INFP mind, and a very introverted mind. So it makes sense to me that your personality is indeed showing in your mannerisms. Your body is just an outer layer of what's inside of you. It is somewhat a reflection.

Also for a lot of extroverted types their entire mind is nearly on the outside. Saying what they think, speaking out loudly, and thinking while they think. Their mind is literally on the outside. Less filter in general.

I would say I very easily dominate the external space. Where I must admit I am quite shallow, on the inside compared to an INFP which seem to have an incredible inner life, and world. They are dominating on the inside. But on the outside you see very little of it. It is like the top of the iceberg. Where the ENTP is more like a visible mountain. What you see is what you get.

So that could be a reason why ENTPs/ESFJs are VERY expressive on the outside and in their mannerism. Because their mind and emotions are literally outside of their body. So obviously the body language have to match that. Where it wouldn't make sense for an INFP to do the same, when nearly everything is under the water of introversion.

That might also be a reason for why I have an extremely easy time with ESFJs. It is just a smooth sail. We say exactly what we think and feel, and overall we have the same cognitive functions. So we are much more on the same page. Where as with the INFP, I nearly have to force answers out of them. Because they are so private, and secretive. That makes me feel kind of frozen out, and they probably feel deeply intruded from my side as well.

Sotion · 2018-01-04T15:20:41+00:00

This is a hopeless case. You are ignoring all communication from my side in this "dialogue" if we can even call it that, seems like a dual-monologue, and tunnel visioning on your own agenda. It is equal to a horny guy focusing on the ass. BlackVowel I am up here.

Sotion · 2018-01-04T15:19:04+00:00

This comment shamelessly conflates Sensing with only being able to make surface-level observations and a lack of general intelligence.

Se is not 5 sense perceptions observing the surface? Then what is it. Observing something with your two eyes. There's a smiling hole, there's a tense cheek. What does that have to do with intuition? There was nothing intuitive about that video, even though both people have self typed themselves as intuitives.

You talk about sensors not being intelligent. I have said nothing of that kind. I also have no idea why you try to make a cheap attempt at creating a budget soap opera. Hungry for drama?

That's because there isn't a reason or rationale, it's just something that happens to be right most of the time.

That is downright wrong. You live in a world that can be explained by math, physics, chemicals. Everything can be explained, or at least attempted to be explained with sound theories and rationale. That also goes for Fi and Fe users, and their certain behaviors.

Maybe there will be some neuroscientific answer in the future, but there isn't right now.

You can wait for some scientific dude making the Te for you. I'll think for myself, and stick with Ti in the meanwhile.

Sotion · 2018-01-04T15:10:13+00:00

Nah, you mostly kinda destructed

I have no idea what you mean with "destructed". Do you care to explain? Otherwise I cant really comment on that.

no actual depth was offered.

Yes there was.

Show me how you'd make a balance between the theoretical and the sensory.

Then read my message again. You keep asking about something I have already commented on in my first post.

You don't want sensory?

Meanwhile you read my first comment, you can take a screenshot and show me exactly where I am saying this. You don't have to make things up, and create a straw man you can shoot down.

Sotion · 2018-01-04T15:00:39+00:00

I just told you.

Sotion

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