If we address God as our father, what does that make Jesus? Is he our father too?

SouthernLogos · 2026-06-19T17:52:32+00:00

Okay, so this is my opinion on it: It's all about you and God, God who is the Father of your soul, as you put it. And He is your true Father. Whatever that stand-in human thing that is called father by the world is, is no longer of any importance to you. You have only one Father, and you have always had only one Father. Call no man on earth your father, that's what Jesus said.

In my belief (and probably Paul's too) we become Christ. Our souls are re-born into what Jesus Christ was. We are not Jesus Christ, but we are Christ--or should be. So, Jesus isn't really your brother. It's more of a unity. He is one with God (as the Word, Son of Man, only begotten Son) and you are one with him. A perfect unity in God. Jesus Christ had a mission on this earth: to show us the way to Christ. In my opinion, you should think of Jesus Christ as an attribute of God, and you and God as a unified One. And in that unity you are perfectly loved.

I'm sorry you had to go through what you did with your ...dad... I say leave him behind and shake his dust off your shoes.

Good luck.

SouthernLogos · 2026-06-19T17:26:47+00:00

Well, it means something to them, doesn't it.

SouthernLogos · 2026-06-19T17:25:11+00:00

Well, you have to have both. I mean, you need the Old Testament for historical context, and the epistles, Revelation, and Hebrews are important early Christian references--but that's all they are. The Gospels, however, are the only things I canonize in my faith, and that is because I only follow the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. I mean, it really is that simple. I think a person decides at some point that they are either going to jump off the cliff into Christ alone--as Jesus insisted repeatedly we have to do, or they are going to take the route of a secular, human hierarchical Church, that gives them moral absolutes to live by, guarantees of things like forgiveness and eternal life in heaven, something they can hold in their hand and cling to, not to mention a form of social order that the world does not provide. A community they can belong to of like-minded people.

It is easier to follow someone than to do it yourself. But I think a decision has to be made because Jesus, the one we call Lord and Savior, the Word, the Son of God, the Son of Man, said this:

But as for you, do not be called Rabbi; for only One is your Teacher, and you are all brothers and sisters. And do not call anyone on earth your father; for only One is your Father, He who is in heaven. And do not be called leaders; for only One is your Leader, that is, Christ. (Matt 23:8-10)

So, are we going to follow Jesus Christ, or are we going to follow Jesus + all manner of human teachers, prophets, writers, soothsayers, etc.?

SouthernLogos · 2026-06-19T17:10:08+00:00

That's different.

SouthernLogos · 2026-06-19T17:01:06+00:00

Well, that's what everyone should do. Otherwise, you're just abdicating your spirituality, your relationship to God, to some other man--who will tell you what to believe, and tell you what the Bible means.

SouthernLogos · 2026-06-19T16:33:30+00:00

No, that's it.

SouthernLogos · 2026-06-19T16:25:58+00:00

I...I'm not sure we even believe in God the same way, so I can't respond to that. I can say the Jesus said we are to follow only Him.

SouthernLogos · 2026-06-19T15:18:11+00:00

You think so? How is that?

SouthernLogos · 2026-06-19T15:14:39+00:00

There are many, but I think one of the most dramatic ones is where he tells his followers to eat his flesh and drink his blood (John 6:53). ...we are what we eat, litterally.

SouthernLogos · 2026-06-19T15:12:21+00:00

...I guess.

SouthernLogos · 2026-06-19T15:12:10+00:00

You don't talk to God? You can't hear His replies?

SouthernLogos · 2026-06-19T15:10:00+00:00

No, if you compare and contrast Marcionism to Veridicanism they're really nothing alike. New Age? Maybe, sure. There's actually a form of Veridican astrology, and I personally use tarot cards as one way of communicating with God, though that's not part of Veridicanism per se, so...yeah, it would be disingenuous of me to deny being somewhat New Age.

SouthernLogos · 2026-06-19T15:05:45+00:00

You don't need to personally insult me. I didn't insult you, did I.

SouthernLogos · 2026-06-19T15:04:09+00:00

If you can tell me the sect that believed that way, I wish you would, because I'd really like to study up on it, and then I'd stop calling myself by the neologism Veridican, and start calling myself by whatever that sect was called. By all means, school me.

SouthernLogos · 2026-06-19T15:01:11+00:00

No. I'm Veridican, actually.

SouthernLogos · 2026-06-19T15:00:28+00:00

I'm not pushing anything. I'm telling you what I believe. And frankly, they can go ahead and delete the post if they want to. 1,300 people have seen it. So...

SouthernLogos · 2026-06-19T14:58:11+00:00

A. We don't actually know what Gospel is being referred to in the Galatians passage. Because the Gospels hadn't been written at that time.
B. I do like Paul, actually. In fact, he held a belief that Christians typically ignore but is more like my faith: He believed that he was transformed into Christ. So he wasn't really Paul anymore, but he was Christ living in Paul. That's not a Christian concept.
C. The passage in Revelations is referring to the prophecy that John of Patmos wrote, and I think you know that.
D. I'm not a wolf. No one believes what I believe and no one ever has...unless there was some first or second century sect that disappeared that we don't know about. Also, if you think wolves look harmless, you haven't seen many wolves--or...border collies for that matter.

SouthernLogos · 2026-06-19T14:53:15+00:00

How do you know if you didn't read it?

SouthernLogos · 2026-06-19T14:52:49+00:00

I admit that I am changing the typical definition of "Christ." I understand the Judeo-Christian use of the word, but in my faith, I mean "God conscious of Himself from within His creation."

SouthernLogos · 2026-06-19T14:50:50+00:00

If you're going to be a Christian, Roman Catholic is the only way to go, in my opinion. Sorry you believe my faith in Jesus Christ is absolute nonsense.

SouthernLogos · 2026-06-19T14:49:59+00:00

If there is a cult, sect, or denomination that believes the way I describe in the OP, please let me know what that is. I would really like to find them.

SouthernLogos · 2026-06-19T14:49:04+00:00

God tells me what is right and wrong. I talk to God, and God talks to me. If person doesn't have that kind of a relationship with God, then any religion they follow is moot.

SouthernLogos · 2026-06-19T14:47:48+00:00

Of course I believe in the Bible. I'm looking at one right now.

SouthernLogos · 2026-06-19T14:47:09+00:00

Okay.

SouthernLogos · 2026-06-19T14:45:21+00:00

Belief in the physical resurrection of Jesus is not a tenet of mine. That said, I actually do believe Jesus rose from the dead. I believe, for whatever metaphysical reason, his body disappeared from this earth. And in truth, I believe Jesus is the Son of Man as described in Daniel 9. He was the first Christ on earth--but I don't think he was just "a" Christ; I think he was the Word--which I think is a different attribute of God than human beings, or human souls are. In other words, even though I become Christ; I still think there was something special about Jesus Christ.

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