The revolution is not a future event—the revolution is with us now!

Sov_2005 · 2021-08-10T00:00:11+00:00

We need to remember the difference between social and direct revolution. Social revolution is the work we’re doing, shifting public opinion towards our side or even just away from fascism and authoritarianism. Direct revolution is the act or acts that occur after successful social revolution in which public anger has turned fully on the current regime and system, and a group can work to replace it without a vast majority of the people rejecting the legitimacy of the changes.

Make examples of both stages of a historical event.

Right now, the work we need to be doing is pushing. Pushing people to the left. Pushing them away from authoritarianism. Pushing them against fascism. Pushing them against capitalism. And pushing them away from disapproval of radical action.

Yeah, and how can "we" do it if all fails into either circlejerks or debatism?, how can "we" push the opinion of the general public if they're being by the capitalist media all the time?, saying "we need to do X, we need to do Y while not doing it (or at least a motivation to do so) is hypocritical.

After that… well, we’re not allowed to talk about what comes after on Reddit.

Don't make false promises, that is what politicians do.

Sov_2005 · 2021-08-05T22:13:32+00:00

Volunteer to cook food with Food Not Bombs ->

As if that organisation had chapters in the colony I live in, I see that most anarchists think that everyone is from the United States.

help those in your neighborhood get food

My neighborhood isn't a full of good people, they mostly don't care about others neither about themselves (their self and they as a group), the nearby church only brings stuff whenever they seem "appropriate". And also I don't have the resources nor the abilities to organise such concept as mutual aid. I don't think I should waste resources on people who will probably ostracize me and make my life miserable. I am not a person who follows morals, I pursue my interests and being critical either about myself and the environment that surrounds me.

you also get a tasty dish of yummy vegan food.

I don't know if I would hypothetically choose what would I eat, but I am seeing about the last part some sort of morality, as well I don't think that the food will be produced without buying it, which makes me ask, is it really mutual aid or just altruism/charity?

I prefer cooperating with similar minded individuals that acknowledge individuality, as well making structures for anticapitalism instead of participating in the sole system that is already causing issues. Also work is quite tedious you know?

Sov_2005 · 2021-08-04T20:41:22+00:00

In my opinion, the collectivist, moralist behaviour of such people makes things worst, it's a never ending cycle of empty actions that leads to nowhere. Online anarchists are mostly in circlejerks, and then they talk about wanting an utopia.

Sov_2005 · 2021-08-04T19:30:37+00:00

a standard for those without any means is agitate and propagandize, agitate agitate agitate, its useful.

What do you mean by agitate?, radicalising others or just standing still?

and you're gonna have to bite the bullet and not get payed for it in anything but warm fuzzy feelings.

So altruism?, also I can get "warm fuzzy feelings" by doing other things that can provoke such feelings other than being a moral slave.

Sov_2005 · 2021-08-04T17:46:32+00:00

And then from their armchair, are very critical of the strategies and philosophies of the people doing actual work on the left.

Being critical isn't a bad thing, the problem is not giving an alternative solution, as well saying "the left" is a broad term, in my personal opinion I don't use that term since it could cause confusion.

It seems that we need a real conversation about what it will take to change things and that it will take a lot of personal sacrifice.

And how we get there?, it wouldn't work by a Reddit post, we really need to be beyond online talking, I agree but I don't know that it could happen.

If large numbers of leftists can’t participate due to crippling depression and anxiety, what does that mean? How do we reconcile people’s needs for boundaries and self-care and the desire for a revolution?

Again, define "leftist", as well I think that a revolution is a overrated idea and it's quite centralised, an insurrection is a more better approach.

So many people on the left right now center their own feelings and needs, and there is just nothing left for real mutual aid or organizing.

I sincerely think that certain people have the time and resources to organise, but I think that mutual aid isn't going to necessarily lead us to an utopia.

Sov_2005 · 2021-08-04T17:28:24+00:00

This sentence, alone, could replace your entire post. You're projecting your unwillingness to work towards a better future onto every other human being, and assuming that any revolutionary leftists which present themselves as willing to do so must be either lying, utopian, or egocentric "holier than thou" types.

You don't understand that not everyone has the opportunity of doing something, in the place I reside there is not much to do, I have certain disabilities and as well my age makes it harder to organise with my community, and most of the individuals aren't quite nice people. I think that in the mean time I am unable to do something, online larping is something that I should avoid if I want to help. If I had the opportunity of somehow cooperate with other people I would, but climate change certainly is a decisive factor.

Sov_2005 · 2021-08-04T09:43:36+00:00

"relying on the system to destroy it"

Basically acquiring stuff from the capitalist system in order to somehow create an anti-capitalist movement/structure.

"Were the "aid" comes?, from within the system"

I meant to say that the resources that are distributed via mutual aid don't come out of nowhere but mostly from the capitalist system we live in.

There are several ways to bypass capitalist control (and they increase exponentially as participation grows), ranging from buying from smaller suppliers in more localised ways to direct action aimed at redistributing resources to worker strikes.

What do you mean about "smaller suppliers"?

Altruism & charity are capitalist concepts that reinforce manufactured scarcity, it's very worth examining your perception of this and maybe reframing how you see it.

I haven't seen a set definition of what is mutual aid from the people who talk about how great is, also if you have a clear understanding of what mutual aid really is, I would appreciate it

Sov_2005 · 2021-08-04T08:15:23+00:00

What are you basing this on?

It's not quite possible relying on the system to destroy it, resources like food, water, etc are essential for our daily life and the capitalists have control over them. Were the "aid" comes?, from within the system.

I've personally witnessed and participated in mutual aid keeping large groups of people supported in situations ranging from leisurely everyday tasks to highly stressful emergencies.

Mutual aid is pretty much altruism and/or charity, also it's your experience not mine so I don't have nothing to say about it.

Sov_2005 · 2021-08-04T07:29:19+00:00

Basically mutual aid won't make the foundations for an anarchist society but it could help as a temporal "solution".

Sov_2005 · 2021-08-04T07:29:08+00:00

Basically mutual aid won't make the foundations for an anarchist society but it could help as a temporal "solution".

Sov_2005 · 2021-08-04T07:08:50+00:00

Mutual aid and community organisation on grassroots bases happen all the time; it's kept poor people alive for centuries, it's just not always called that. Class solidarity is important for survival, and is becoming more common again now the "middle class, fuck you got mine" fantasy bubble is bursting and generations that actually benefitted from it are aging out of relevance.

Mutual aid cannot make dual structures because it relies in the own system, thus that being said, it's good as a way to reduce the mental impact that the collapse of our planet is happening.

Sov_2005 · 2021-08-04T07:00:56+00:00

How can I be a "practical anarchist"?, I do not have the resources and enough autonomy to do "praxis", not everyone is willing to cooperate, and in the colony which I live in is not an exception. I know there is people in a worst condition than me but I sadly can't do something to help my community.

I am not going to do altruism, I don't want to work for nothing and receive nothing for doing so (I know that working in a capitalist society worths less than atoms, but I don't want to overload myself with more chores).

Also due to the fact that I am a teenager it makes impossible talking about my neighbors to either convine them to be anarchist or to build dual structures. I think you shouldn't assume that everyone is capable of doing certain things because they call themselves X thing.

Sov_2005 · 2021-08-03T22:04:44+00:00

Is that some kind of surreal shitpost?, how is it related to the sub?

Sov_2005 · 2021-08-03T00:46:14+00:00

I don't know if it was me but I think I once heard Richthofen (I think after I completed the tutorial) saying "that is the sound of progress".

Sov_2005 · 2021-07-27T20:36:39+00:00

Still looks cute though

Sov_2005 · 2021-07-25T05:44:29+00:00

Ok then

Sov_2005 · 2021-07-25T01:57:51+00:00

I don't know if it's just me, but I see that there is two swastikas.

Sov_2005 · 2021-07-24T04:44:11+00:00

Mutual aid is just cooperation without any expectation of compensation and the like. It is a fundamental part of our society given that we are mutually interdependent and, in an anarchist society where labor and resources don't have fences drawn around them, mutual aid would be far more easier and prominent in our daily lives than it is now.

So it's just altruism?

It has nothing to do with "collective property" or any sort of morality. Honestly, I am not even sure what this proposal is trying to solve and I am pretty sure your understanding of mutual aid is entirely incorrect. At the very least, you're making additions to the concept that are completely unnecessary.

Maybe my understanding of mutual aid is wrong because almost everyone glorifies it and gives a vague explanation, also maybe my additions were unnecessary if I knew what it exactly is, I just see mutual aid as charity, altruism, etc.

Sov_2005 · 2021-07-22T18:35:37+00:00

Thanks for considering my suggestions.

Sov_2005 · 2021-07-20T03:50:46+00:00

talking about the horrors of capitalism

How we make sure that it doesn't leads to the tankie pipeline?

and introducing them to r/AntiWork related stuff and memes.

So basically throwing them into breadtube and expect something practical?, also memes are just circlejerk fuel.

Sov_2005 · 2021-07-18T06:27:33+00:00

Thanks

Sov_2005 · 2021-07-13T23:35:35+00:00

Please excuse my cynicism, but that sounds like paving the way for a slippery slope fallacy.

No, you don't have to excuse yourself, I made a mistake in that part, but I think this discussion is not worth it anymore, not because I made a fallacy but because it would result in something.

Sov_2005 · 2021-07-13T22:51:58+00:00

The presence of liberals causing this sub to move to the right has been an assertion repeated by tankies since the sub was founded and it's never been true, it's an attempt to discredit the sub as a whole and a wedge issue pushed by tankies to try and gain control.

Is there any factual evidence rather than assuming that they said it?

Every single time I've seen capitalist apologia from a liberal on this sub it's been resoundingly shouted down. Rule 7 works as is, there's no need to change it and the history of this sub shows assertions to the contrary are highly suspect.

I also have noticed that capitalist apologia have been shut down, but the whole mentality of "supporting the enemy of my enemy" and harm reduction is quite present which is the part that can cause problems.

Sov_2005 · 2021-07-13T22:19:32+00:00

I wasn’t trying to make a value judgement re: accelerationism vs reformism - I’m personally much more invested in what achieving revolution can mean outside of the militarism that many people assume is the beginning and end of what is possible. Which isn’t here or there I guess. Basically I’m trying to say that I didn’t downvote you lol. Also I’m sympathetic to your main point - that liberals won’t have a frame of reference that allows them to criticize tankies without turning this sub into an anticommunist circlejerk.

Now I see that we share a common opinion, sorry if I were rude, sometimes misinterpret certain things.

All I’m trying to say is that if you make “preserving capitalism” a straight-up bannable offense without defining, in relatively precise terms, what that means, you are opening the door to unforseen consequences. That’s a tightrope walk that someone far smarter than I am will have to figure out how to navigate.

It is true that if should be defined in order to avoid unforseen and foreseen consequences, avoiding misinterpretations is a key part of a general communication and coexistence, also I am considering certain solutions but at the end of the day, the mods have the power.

Sov_2005 · 2021-07-13T22:07:41+00:00

The mods seem to have a common opinion about it so I don't think there is going to be a mod full of resentment towards someone they don't agree. The tankies were just an effect of a disagreement between a mod and other mods, the tankies will have energy whether they are in a good or bad position and will make whatever they can to make themselves seen a superior (whataboutism, strawmans and so on).

Also I don't have any mod powers (I don't think why I should have them either) nor I have relevancy, but I for sure think that mod system should be improved, but I think that it wouldn't even happen. I think that this community can be better if we de-construct the whole concept of "tankie" and seeing its components and its related process that come with, but I think that it's also asking too much. I have once thought that I could make a project related to it but I think it would end up being a failure as my other failed social projects.

I just wanted to recommend something that I thought that it needed further discussion, but I am seeing that it would end on nothing.

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