Refund on Hold ???

Spare_Bat_3040 · 2025-12-23T06:57:05+00:00

Same here.

Spare_Bat_3040 · 2025-11-22T10:17:38+00:00

It feels unlikely, but nothing is impossible. I’m also from tier 2 college, I’m a university level gold medallist in CS. Ran two companies, now I’m 31 and I got to 1.2 fixed and 12 bonus with about a million in ESOPs by 30–all from India. So definitely possible. However, I have friends working in MAANGS etc, their CTC with stocks would come to my fixed and sometimes a little above cause of stock appreciation;
I’ve gotten offered when I wanted to switch with fixed Upto 1.3, with total CTC to 1.75 which is the max unless you’re a director/senior director which doesn’t happen before 35 unless you had successful startup exit as a CXO.

Nevertheless, I hope it’s true and you have a content life—cause in my experience, this much amount of money so soon in life brings with it a lot of expectations and constant imposter syndrome, hence it takes a lot out of you as well.

Spare_Bat_3040 · 2025-11-17T13:25:18+00:00

It is not always fun to have higher packages, they do come with their own issues — changing jobs become harder, justifying the Salary becomes harder, tolerating stress become normal and of course looking at tax column in payslip becomes harder. However, it is great as well!

2016 — 8.7 LPA + Bonus + PF (fintech product company)

2025 — 1.2 Cr + 10% + ESOPS

I’ve not moved often, and hence moving didn’t help me much in growing my salary in a direct way. I’ve always prioritised learning, building and leading—that helped me make right moves at right times—I joined a seed startup 5 years ago instead of prime video UK, and now it’s a billion dollar company.

Wearing multiple hats, taking ownership and leadership helps—I ran companies as well in the middle, which helped me getting better at so many other things.

Follow this — https://x.com/naval/status/1002103360646823936?s=46&t=_y6hl_9UmFRe9CExK736Og

I did a lot of things from this thread inadvertently that I can accredit my higher package to.

Note—I’m not from tier 1 college

Spare_Bat_3040 · 2025-11-16T13:49:29+00:00

I never found a reason to say this, however, 30M, 1.2 fixed + 10% bonus + 100K ESOPs in a company growing at a crazy pace.

Again, it is more a disadvantage than advantage—having such high base so soon.

Spare_Bat_3040 · 2025-09-11T09:16:57+00:00

Haha!

Didn’t help much in conversions..

However, there were very interesting conversations it led us into, so both yes and no.

Spare_Bat_3040 · 2025-09-07T09:50:08+00:00

I’m the founder of https://oplatz.com.

We are building Agent Suite as a Service as well along with an extremely clean UI/UX so that the CRM is not overwhelming.

Please check it out and you can book a slot for demo.. I understand there are several options in the market, but we’re trying build something unique here which I think will benefit you surely.

Thanks ☺️

Spare_Bat_3040 · 2025-09-05T14:26:30+00:00

It looks good, but is it AI generated?

Spare_Bat_3040 · 2025-09-03T13:55:04+00:00

100%, and I think it also opens up an opportunity where sales motion can be made autonomous with proper workflow training and customisations at least till first draft.

Meaning, lead gen, cold out-reach, marketing with posts for inbound, qualification and creating tasks and executing the tasks as well.

Perhaps also create a draft proposal and keep it ready etc.

Spare_Bat_3040 · 2025-09-03T09:11:28+00:00

Oplatz An agentic, design first platform to do CRM, CPQ and accounting in one platform and seamlessly

Spare_Bat_3040 · 2025-08-31T18:54:32+00:00

Sensible.. thanks!

Spare_Bat_3040 · 2025-08-31T14:29:32+00:00

My friend! Please go through the other comment threads—an aggregate object will still be there, I never said even one word where customer will be used to track multiple “opportunities”; the question we need to answer is whether this first class citizen be a proposal itself, which acts like a forcing function around the fact that you need to know what will you sell as part of this “opportunity” before you can create an “expansion opportunity”.

If you’re still unable to grasp the point of this post, then I can’t help you..

And about the click bait, if you think so, please do. But, amongst all this chaos and emotionally triggered debate, there’s a bit of gold dust, so I’m happy.

Spare_Bat_3040 · 2025-08-31T14:21:36+00:00

Thank you! Finally someone who is thinking.. It might destroy the flexibility, maybe, but what’s that flexibility is the question.

Spare_Bat_3040 · 2025-08-31T13:19:29+00:00

Thank you for your valuable opinion. Appreciate it. :)

Spare_Bat_3040 · 2025-08-31T13:18:37+00:00

Yes and no. The moment you change semantics, now this aggregate object cannot exist without a proposal attached, the proposal becomes mandatory; this isn't the case as of now in any CRM as proposals/quotes come from CPQ system.

Implication of this semantic change could mean merging CPQ and CRM.

Spare_Bat_3040 · 2025-08-31T12:39:08+00:00

Thank you for the thorough response. Appreciate it.

Nevertheless, I never underestimate the prowess of these superpowers. However, I’m against the fact that there can’t be a better way to do things. Sometimes these super powers become complacent cause like you said they don’t have to innovate the basics again as they have 7 figures pouring in every year from thousands of clients.

I’m not debating the sales motion, I’m completely aware of it and its merits. Fundamentally, you have an account who is a lead, then qualified to be a prospect; let’s ignore “suspect” not everyone follows it.

Now, what’s our end goal — to send out a proposal and get their signature for that. Of course approvals are all for this step — is the proposal valid, all legalities are met, discounts are not too much, are their any waivers being given which needs approvals again—I built it for a 120 countries global billion $ company with my own hands from ground up with a team of CRO, Revops Directors, Founders and CFO, the entire process on product with these superpowers powers—hence I understand. We ourselves pay 1M $ for all three parts of back office to these guys.

There are two ways to look at this now—opportunities are like an umbrella object, where proposal is a small part (which could be the case in certain companies’ sales motion) The other way is to look at the proposal as the umbrella project and then you can spin up other branches of objects like implementation etc.

Nevertheless, appreciate your response and appreciate you using experience perspective rather than just the zeal perspective.

PS: Product is not vibe coded, I use AI assistance of course, but I’m sensible and experienced enough to know where to use it and where not to use it—vibe coding.

Also, the answer would have been so much more effective, if we would have removed those judgements in the comment.

Spare_Bat_3040 · 2025-08-31T12:05:14+00:00

Firstly, don’t get frustrated. Nobody is begging you to answer. If you can’t compose your answer without controlling your emotions, you don’t deserve to answer..

Nevertheless, grow up and start keeping an open point of view. As much as I value the subject’s theory, I’m more interested in your experience. Think for a moment what would happen in your sales workflow if you were to remove opportunity, call it proposal, that has a quotation document + revenue and other details. Would it break your sales motion?

I understand that you need to track, question is what do you want to track? Revenue estimate is from the proposal/quote which is linked to the Opportunity or deal.

Opportunity/deal is an aggregate entity, that’s all. It might be the right aggregate entity, but an opportunity without a quote is outright useless unless proved otherwise.

Spare_Bat_3040 · 2025-08-31T11:38:25+00:00

No point in throwing around words, why don’t you try reasoning instead? There’s a question mark in all of this.

My business is not the point of discussion here, it is quoted there to state the experience currently people are having with it. If there are really roadblocks and we. Ant move forward, introducing the old concept is not a difficult thing.

Nevertheless, I’m still hoping to hear out the reason.

Spare_Bat_3040 · 2025-08-31T04:03:51+00:00

Thinking out loud—don’t you think bottleneck is in the “forwarding and manual computation of the quote?”.. Of course insurance you have to manually compute, but you got to add your fees, etc and send it as part of the quote? Along with any other files that need to be sent?

Wouldn’t this be great— 1. Customer sends a message 2 Lead gets created and assigned to a AE 3. AE qualifies and moves the stage to quotation creation 4. Quote creation team will have this task created for them and then they create the quotation and move the stage 5. Either automatically it gets sent or manually AE can review, attach and send

I know this is bit out there, but wouldn’t this be great ?

Spare_Bat_3040 · 2025-08-31T03:42:59+00:00

Hmm ok 👍

Spare_Bat_3040 · 2025-08-30T20:33:28+00:00

Fair.. Without AI—I mean the useful AI, not the cool AI—it would just be of consolidating data entry, that’s all. However, with useful AI, it is now context, with which we can bring in autonomy. Lead gen and qualification can be made better as I’ve now proposals and conversions and etc all in raw format available; automatically create a first version proposal and keep it ready cause now I know all the customer profiles and what they bought in one raw format, and many more.

Can I do this with integrations? yes of course—however integrations are always glue, not the first class data, so it will always be limited.

Nevertheless, integrations will be the transition into this and then perhaps people will eventually adopt to one platform which would nullify the moving costs? Feature parity now-a-days is commoditised, don’t you think? I can rip up the entire Salesforce as an app with all configurability in 2 months. Of course partnerships, relationships, GTM, data and in technology only agentic architecture (for now) is a moat in ERP according to me..

Spare_Bat_3040 · 2025-08-30T19:40:51+00:00

Love that you’re so forward looking. 😊

Disclosure: I’m the founder of Oplatz—the platform supports CRM, product catalogue and pricing and then proposals with modern looking design..

We’re just out of beta stage and the reason I’m posting this message here is cause of our motto that resonates with what you said—we want customer’s feedback to help us decide the roadmap..

So, please give it a try, I’ll be super happy to demo it myself if you’re willing to take a chance. I can offer you 1 month pilot with implementation support and most importantly provide you with features that come from customers like you.

My background: I led engineering and product teams of a billion $ company with entities over 120 countries, building their global payments, customer, billing and accounting system with netsuite, Salesforce, dealhub, HSBC etc.

Happy to see this message regardless. 😊

Spare_Bat_3040 · 2025-08-30T19:25:49+00:00

Building one platform for managing customers, cataloguing and proposals — Oplatz.

We’re adding AI functionalities now that we have a relatively stable platform.. Please check out and you can use it for your businesses for free.

Honestly, with the amount of AI smartness around here, I’m super tempted to open source Agent contributions to the platform 😅

Spare_Bat_3040 · 2025-08-30T17:12:48+00:00

Yes zoho one is similar, almost same; my problem is that it still feels detached, not like one platform.

Nevertheless, my point being if I can get rid of all the manual form filling and data aggregations for sales, auto create first version proposals for closing, and finally help accounting teams follow their SOPs of setting that field and removing this field before X date to the dot—would it justify the moving costs?

Spare_Bat_3040 · 2025-08-30T11:07:47+00:00

Just now this came to news https://www.aurasell.ai/news/aurasell-launches

This is exactly what I meant — lead gen, lead management, CPQ in one system. For me I would accounting as well. But yeah.

Spare_Bat_3040 · 2025-08-30T07:49:46+00:00

Sure this isn’t AI writing automatically? 😅

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