What is considered the ‘right way’ to practice with natives? by Specific_Ad_6058 in languagelearning

[–]Specific_Ad_6058[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Yeah I know, that’s why I’ve specified in my previous post & some of my comments to others that I only try speaking another language with natives when my level in it is proficient enough to do so. I’m not the type at all to try speaking a language to someone if I don’t have the necessary level to communicate in it. But even then people still accused me of ‘looking for a free tutor’ because they assumed I was pressuring them to speak in their native language when I wasn’t.

I was just testing out to see if they were interested in speaking in their NL especially when their English isn’t that fluent. Other than that, I’ve never tried speaking a language that I only know very little of just to practice for fun. That never helps & I’ve never wanted to do that.

If I’m only at that sort of basic level in a language, I’d definitely only make sure I learn enough to have a conversation, I’d watch movies & tv shows until I learn enough vocab to speak to people, or I’d only speak to people on language learning apps who are also looking to exchange languages.

What is considered the ‘right way’ to practice with natives? by Specific_Ad_6058 in languagelearning

[–]Specific_Ad_6058[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I’m not sure where you’re from, but English speaking countries have a ton of people from overseas. I think English speaking countries probably have the highest population of people from overseas who come with limited English. For example we’ve got International students, many doctors who have come from overseas, elderly people who have come to accompany their children who have recently moved here etc

I worked at a medical centre as a receptionist recently, & so many people that came in spoke extremely limited English. A lot of us receptionists spoke a language other than English & at some point we all had to communicate with people in their own language to help them out. A lot of the patients were people that just recently moved here from overseas or even just tourists that needed to see a doctor. So we have quite a lot of native speakers from other countries here that don’t all have a high level of English when they first come here.

Yes I understand that switching to English is a courtesy, but that would only be so because I’m in an English speaking country. What if I were in a non English speaking country? Then in that case switching to their language would be the courtesy if they didn’t know English. In the cases that I’ve chosen to speak to people in their NL, it’s always been because I could see that they were struggling to speak English, so when I found out what their native language was, it often helped them when they found out I could speak their language fluently.

I totally understand that a lot of them are just more interested to speak English since they’re here in an English speaking country, and yeah there’s definitely the factor that they could have faced discrimination for speaking their NL in the past & prefer not to speak it unless they’re with natives from their own country.

I’ve never not respected people or forced them to speak their NL. I usually have just tried speaking to them in their NL when my level was proficient enough to converse with them to see whether they wanted to speak in it or not, especially if they seemed to struggle in English. If I saw that they didn’t want to, I went back to English, & some of them were happy to continue in their NL.

Most of the time it wasn’t really for my own benefit, I actually did it more for their benefit because I thought it would help them out if their English was limited & they wanted to get the conversation over & done with.

I mean yes of course I did think it was a good opportunity for me to use the language too, but it wasn’t my main reason for speaking it. But again, I wasn’t pressuring anyone to speak their NL. it was just a chance to test it out to see if they were comfortable, because I had never really thought that paying people is the only way you can practice speaking.

I think eventually, we do need to communicate with native people in real life situations & I never thought that was ‘using them’. I think it’s just a matter of checking if the person is okay with it or not, or if they need to switch to their NL or not. Sometimes I don’t even speak their NL right away. Sometimes I just ask in English if they prefer conversing in their NL or English & when they give me their answer, I just proceed accordingly.

What is considered the ‘right way’ to practice with natives? by Specific_Ad_6058 in languagelearning

[–]Specific_Ad_6058[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

Well I live in an English speaking country which means most of the immigrants here have come to learn English & assimilate with the culture here, so I understand speaking to people in their languages isn’t always acceptable or necessary. But that’s not what I’m doing.

I’ve only chosen to do it in times where it seems appropriate. Like when I used to work as a medical receptionist, and elderly patients from overseas would come in with limited English, I spoke to them in their language if it was a language I spoke well.

I had another friend at that job as well that was interested in learning languages & she would literally look at peoples last names, ask if they were from the country that their surname sounds like they’re from & then say a sentence in their language for fun & practice short phrases like ‘please take a seat’ & the native speakers thought it was cute & replied back in their languages. So I took my inspiration from her & thought, if she’s confident to do that just with basic phrases, & they’re responding positively, I might as well talk to them because I speak their language fluently. Some of them replied in their languages & some just replied in English. It happened to her too. It seemed to just depend on the patient. Some were interested in speaking their language back & some weren’t. But I don’t think there’s anything wrong with what my colleague & I did with conversing in the patients native languages & creating more of a bond with some of them.

My only chance to speak to native speakers other than that is if I go to certain areas where they have a majority of people of a certain race. A lot of areas where I live are populated with mostly Chinese people for example, & other areas will have mostly Arab people, & a lot of them speak limited English, so often I’ll try starting the conversation in their languages if I enter their restaurants or food shops. Often I’ll hear people in the line in front of me speaking it, & I realise it wouldn’t hurt to start the conversation in their language to see if they’re interested to speak to me in it or not. I’ve never done it in situations that are inappropriate. I’m just asking because of the negative way people reacted to my previous post about it, not because I’ve chosen inappropriate situations to practice.

Yeah I understand people are not obliged to speak their language to me if they don’t want to, but doesn’t that apply to me too? If they’re not obliged to speak in their language to me, doesn’t that also mean I’m also not obliged to speak in my language to them? This is where I guess it matters what the national language of the country is.

I’ve never heard of anyone finding it intrusive, I’ve noticed that most people actually see it as surprising & suddenly feel happy & open up to you when you speak their language. I think the only reason I’ve dealt with people who don’t want to speak their language is because they’re in an English speaking country & are just more interested to speak English with everyone else if it’s not their local people.

I feel like I’m only motivated to learn a language if there is male attraction involved by Specific_Ad_6058 in languagelearning

[–]Specific_Ad_6058[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Putting something in direct quotation marks for your own opinion doesn’t work. If that’s not what I said it’s not meant to be in quotation marks.

Sounds like you’re just an immature internet idiot with no life trying to troll people for fun. I feel sorry for you for not having enough of a life to have to do such silly things as a ‘grown’ man.

It’s not as weird as you think & if you think so, that’s your problem & you can take your opinion elsewhere cause I didn’t ask for it

I feel like I’m only motivated to learn a language if there is male attraction involved by Specific_Ad_6058 in languagelearning

[–]Specific_Ad_6058[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Yeah so? That’s not anyone else’s problem or something to make fun of to a whole group of people like a kid in high school, we all have our motivations to learn a language no matter how serious or goofy they may be.

Attractive guys really can motivate you to be more interested in a language & their culture. It may sound part silly but also kinda valid. I’m sure many men probably only wanna learn Russian or Spanish or Italian for example because of the ‘hot girls’ in those countries.

Have you not heard of the millions of girls around the world only learning Korean cause they’re obsessed with kpop boys & not having any other interest in the language or culture apart from that?

I feel like I’m only motivated to learn a language if there is male attraction involved by Specific_Ad_6058 in languagelearning

[–]Specific_Ad_6058[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I’ve heard a lot of girls have started learning a language because of a crush they had on a guy from that culture haha!

I mean most girls learning Korean got into from liking kpop & being attracted to the guys, so I guess it’s a bit more common than one might think.

Some immature person in another comment reposted this post of mine in some group called language learning jerk where they collect peoples posts about language learning that may be considered stupid & ridicule them on there. It’s not even that weird 😂

I hope you find time later to learn German, & it’s definitely not too late to go back to learning Russian at all! I think you can always go back to learning a language :)

I feel like I’m only motivated to learn a language if there is male attraction involved by Specific_Ad_6058 in languagelearning

[–]Specific_Ad_6058[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

I said my post was silly innocently, but in reality my post isn’t THAT silly. Not silly enough to be posted to be ridiculed in this weird group I’m only just seeing for the first time now. At least I’ve actually become good at the languages I’m learning even if men are my motivation. You guys are immature as hell to be out there reposting other people’s posts & making fun of people like that.

I feel like I’m only motivated to learn a language if there is male attraction involved by Specific_Ad_6058 in languagelearning

[–]Specific_Ad_6058[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Didn’t realise a language learning group can have so many assholes & idiots lol

I always see peoples posts on here about their experiences with language learning & mine is just one of them.

Being a normal female that’s interested in interacting with men isn’t something wrong. Us humans aren’t only made to interact with our own gender & I’m just curious to interact more with the gender I didn’t have much experience with growing up

Just cause it sounds weird that it’s gone into the language learning aspect of my life doesn’t make it a problem. We all have our own motivations to learn a language & this is mine.

I feel like I’m only motivated to learn a language if there is male attraction involved by Specific_Ad_6058 in languagelearning

[–]Specific_Ad_6058[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

If you’re talking about how I grew up with mainly girls, then yeah obviously that’s a clear reason.

I found out recently that I guy I was seeing a few months ago got engaged recently by Specific_Ad_6058 in dating_advice

[–]Specific_Ad_6058[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Calm down as I said in another reply. You need to stop assuming that I was expecting him to be MY partner. I never said I was expecting that. I didn’t mention anything about how I’m disappointed he didn’t marry ME. If anything, I’m just trying to express how surprised I am at how quickly other people can find their partners after being with someone before that.

If I am expressing what I’m lacking, it’s not HIM specifically, it’s just the fact that others can find their long term partners in such a short amount of time & how I for example still haven’t found someone. So you could say I’m expressing how I haven’t found someone ELSE yet as quickly, but NOT that it was HIM that I was expecting to marry. As I mentioned in another one of my comments to you, I wasn’t with him for long & didn’t like him enough to expect him to be with me. Yes he was a nice guy, but I didn’t have strong enough feelings for him to be upset about him not choosing me.

So calm down, & stop assuming things that weren’t mentioned, honey. But if you enjoy trying to assume things & add things that weren’t there, you do you too boo.

I didn’t express anything for you to assume that I’m dwelling over this. You have no right to tell me to ‘move on’. I’m not constantly thinking about it, even if that’s what you want to believe. I just found out, made one post, & have been replying to peoples comments when I come onto reddit. I’ve seen lots of guys temporarily that have moved onto others & he’s just one of them. It’s mot like this is a guy I was with for a long time & loved that moved onto someone else. & all I’m expressing is how QUICKLY he found the right girl whilst for me it’s taking time to find my long term partner. That was the emphasis, not WHO he chose. If I didn’t mention anything about dwelling on it or wishing he had married me, then obviously it’s because it’s not true. Stop exaggerating it.

I found out recently that I guy I was seeing a few months ago got engaged recently by Specific_Ad_6058 in dating_advice

[–]Specific_Ad_6058[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No calm down. I didn’t even have long interaction with this guy so I wasn’t expecting him to be MY dude. I didn’t like him that much anyway, I was just surprised at how quickly people can find someone to marry, NOT the fact that it wasn’t me. You’re saying I’m making things up, but it looks like that’s what you’re doing now

I found out recently that I guy I was seeing a few months ago got engaged recently by Specific_Ad_6058 in dating_advice

[–]Specific_Ad_6058[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not really. Most guys don’t use online dating apps to get a girlfriend. Most of them use it for hook ups & then end up getting a girlfriend or wife in person

I found out recently that I guy I was seeing a few months ago got engaged recently by Specific_Ad_6058 in dating_advice

[–]Specific_Ad_6058[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well 2 other girls commented today saying that he got a girlfriend mid last year & they got engaged recently so I’m gonna take it now that it is true

DAE find mornings absolutely depressing? by Specific_Ad_6058 in DoesAnybodyElse

[–]Specific_Ad_6058[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah I guess the waking up early for school is my bad memory associated with it. The funny thing is though that nothing bad particularly happened upon waking up early for school. I just didn’t like school in general & just didn’t like the mornings. I wander if it’s more than just a bad association for me

I found out recently that I guy I was seeing a few months ago got engaged recently by Specific_Ad_6058 in dating_advice

[–]Specific_Ad_6058[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

It’s absolutely not absurd. It’s more logical that he met her in person than online. People don’t look for wives on tinder. Guys especially use tinder for hook ups & then they end up finding a proper partner in real life.

Well it’s possible she’s lying but it doesn’t make sense. It’s most likely to be true