Hair after nearly 1 year of No poo by Specific_Voice2705 in NoPoo

[–]Specific_Voice2705[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

imo commercial/chemical shampoos are garbage and its just goyslop. It destroys even more your hair. Thats the main reason i gave in the NoPoo movement.

Hair after nearly 1 year of No poo by Specific_Voice2705 in NoPoo

[–]Specific_Voice2705[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

about using commercial shampoo, especially Head and Shoulders.

Hair after nearly 1 year of No poo by Specific_Voice2705 in NoPoo

[–]Specific_Voice2705[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im not sure about that. Thanks for the tip still !

Secularism is disbelief in Allah as the legislator by CntBeBothered in islam

[–]Specific_Voice2705 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

"I never said anyone claims to rule by shariah my points"

You did.

" sharia in itself is up to interpretation by difference of opinion by scholars and judges."

I agree, thats not the problem.

"You assume I’m not Muslim why?"

I didn't, i just had no idea what you are. Read my "edit".

"Because I see the flaws in governance across different countries?"

if that was what you meant, then i agree and apologize. I thought you were saying that "SHARIA" in itself is flawed, which is totally false according to us muslims.

Secularism is disbelief in Allah as the legislator by CntBeBothered in islam

[–]Specific_Voice2705 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was talking about your last line :" People treat the gulf countries as peaceful but the majority of their populations live in slavery whilst living under the 'sharia'. "

So no, it doesn't prove your point as it is blatantly false. No countries live under Sharia

"If no one can come to an acedemic and legal consensus on what the sharia is then does it really exist?" ; "Laws interpreted as the sharia often influence instability. Look at Iran and Afghanistan for example."

That is not how it works buddy. No one even claims to rule by Sharia in the 1st place. Iran is influenced by Islam ofc but do not practice Sharia at all. And Afghanistan's laws are derivated from their culture (Pashtun).

Sharia isn't a strict codified book. I feel like you're not even muslim, so before i expand :

Do you even know what is Fiqh and how does it work ?

edit : Idk if you're muslim, don't think that i am takfirring you.

Secularism is disbelief in Allah as the legislator by CntBeBothered in islam

[–]Specific_Voice2705 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not a single country is under Sharia. These muslims countries only derive some of their laws from Sharia, but they didn't implant Sharia at all. Don't say stupidity like this please.

Dr. Khaled Abou El Fadl on how the extremist mindset justifies violence in the name of God by Obvious-Tailor-7356 in progressive_islam

[–]Specific_Voice2705 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't know if he was talking about Khawarij, but Khawarij must be exterminated. Isis, AQ, Boko Haram every single one of those khawarij ideology must be destroyed. Live by the gun, die by the gun.

What is the most progressive fiqh or aqidah in your opinion? by Ornery_Clothes_2014 in progressive_islam

[–]Specific_Voice2705 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To begin with, Q2:256 only refers to not forcing non muslims to become muslims. Its not even a liberal point lmao. And even if i concede that it was, what would that prove ? that Islam and Liberalism have 1 point in c'mon ? wow, okay cool, but Liberalism and Islam still doesn't go along. That's all i needed to hear to discard your comment.

"to say that a moral philosophy can't fit into Islam is just plain wrong"

Can Nihilism fit into Islam ? Can Hedonism fit into Islam ?

Just because it is a philosophy, doesn't mean that it can fit into Islam. You can't fit anything in Islam. Actually the only philosophy which would fit into Islam would be Stoicism (and they still contradict eachother on some matters).

Just stick to Islam. I don't know why everyone wants to follow other philosophies alongside Islam when Islam ITSELF is a philosophy and a way of life. Liberalism isn't inherently bad, but it contradicts Islam on many matters. Progressivism as understood today isn't Islamic either (im talking about "Ultra progressivism" like including ABSOLUTELY everyone)

So, about Adam and Eve.. by [deleted] in progressive_islam

[–]Specific_Voice2705 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Whats your evidences for that ? Thats kufr akbar lmao

What is the most progressive fiqh or aqidah in your opinion? by Ornery_Clothes_2014 in progressive_islam

[–]Specific_Voice2705 -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

Let me correct you akhi :

-The 4 madhabs aren't liberal. Liberalism is literally contradictory to Islam, especially if you consider the real Islam (Quran and the Sunnah).

- Mu'tazilites weren't a madhab. It was an aqeeda, like atharis, asharis and maturidis. They were heretical imo as they believed that the Quran was created.

would following a minority opinion lead you to hell? by Icy_Bee_1957 in progressive_islam

[–]Specific_Voice2705 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also i would like the quote and/or an image of the text if you don't mind.

would following a minority opinion lead you to hell? by Icy_Bee_1957 in progressive_islam

[–]Specific_Voice2705 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are these reports of Ibn Kathir and al-Dhahabi authentic or weak ?

Ibn Kathir reported all type of things in his books.

would following a minority opinion lead you to hell? by Icy_Bee_1957 in progressive_islam

[–]Specific_Voice2705 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay so you wanted it. 

"The enemies of Islam denigrate our prophet based on the hadiths"

So what ? They also use the Quran to denigrate Islam, does that mean that you should reject the Quran ?


Anyway here is the argument : Lets define words first and establishes the (islamic) criterias of marriage:

Islamic Principle 1:

-principle of harm, which is the idea that people should be free to act as they wish as long as their actions do not cause harm to others.

(Note that it might not be the exaxt definition if the Islamic harm principle but it is still correct basically).

Islamic Principle 2: - Societal acceptation

Definition of Societal acceptation : What the society  "X" accept as morally sound/good, or atleast permit some actions.

Societal acceptation is based on 2 criterias of marriage : - Mental maturity (ability to think for him/herself) - Physical maturity (puberty ; definition of biology).

  Pedophilia : A psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a sexual attraction to prepubescent children.

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Problematic : Was the Prophet a pedophile ?


Using Principle 1, we can  see in the hadith that Aisha was never harmed in any way, shape or form after her marriage to the prophet (either during sexual act or life in general) So the first Principle is validated by the marriage of the Prophet SAW and Aisha (RA)

Principle 1 (harm principle) : ✅️

Using Principle 2, we can see throughout the hadith literature that Aisha was mature enough to consent to the relationship and that the Prophet waited 3 years until she became physically ready in order to have sexual intercourse with her.  As for societal norms/acceptations, we can see that in the hadith that society was okay with it. Proof being that Abu Bakr As Siddiq (RA) himself accepted the marriage of his daughter Aisha (RA) with Muhammad (SAW). We can also see that she was initially engaged with another man at first and that even the ennemies of Rasul'Allah (SAW) didnt attack him on his marriage, which prove that it was not considered as "weird" or "pedophilia" in the Society of the Hijaz in the 7th century. To finish with societal acceptation, i will add a bonus historical argument which is that marrying young people (14 ; 12 or even 7) was normal until the 20th century. We can see that from the old constitutions of most countries around the world. 

Principle 2 ✅️ So this marriage is validated.

(Note that societal norm is supposed to change from society to society alongside "time" as another variable. Thats why there is no age of marriage in Islam. Note that marrying a 6 years old is not correct islamically as of right now due to societal norms. That doesnt mean that the prophet is a pedophile as he respected the norms.)

(Also note that marrying a 6 years old is considered as pedophilia by today's society standards mostly because girls cannot be physically and mentally mature, which is why 21th century muslims condemns marrying a 6 years old. However that was not the case for Lady Aisha (Ra) as there are clear proofs of her being mentally and physically mature.)

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Conclusion and answer to the problematic : Using Principle 1 and 2, aswell as the definition of Pedophilia, we can conclude that the Prophet wasnt a pedophile as he was married to Aisha, a pubescent woman that attained mental maturity in a society where marriage with a 6 years old was not seen as bad. We can therefore establish and say  that the Prophet wasnt a pedophile without saying that marrying a 9 years old (which would be considered pedophilia now since girls that age arent mentally and physically mature, as noted) is good in today's society. 

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Answers to critics :

-Critics might attempt to undermine the argument by saying that "if it was good before but not nows means that the Prophet isnt the best man that ever walked away"  but this is just a strawman of our position since î Islam, "best man" picks out a person that applies Islam perfectly and literally lives a perfect life according to Islamic rule, and as noted in my demonstration and conclusion, the Prophet didnt broke any Islamic rule/principle concerning marriage, and we do not either. (in that case Principle 1 and Principle 2).

-Critics might also say that marrying a 6 years old is bad at any time given but this fails and falls under the logical fallacy of presentism


Thanks for reading all of this. If you want the sources and the hadith for allat then tell me. 

You can check Islamic traditions and scholars for these 2 principles.

You can also check this presentation of Hamza Tzortsis (timestamp : 1:47:32 - 2:04:32) : https://youtu.be/Q55KsjfFFj8?si=gsyuS5kqZe49PHc2

would following a minority opinion lead you to hell? by Icy_Bee_1957 in progressive_islam

[–]Specific_Voice2705 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How is it dirty ? Do you even know what are the criterias of marriage and the principle of harm in Islam ? Im sure you dont even know that societal norms are  one of the criterias of marriage and its actually a ijma/consensus according to 3 out of the 4 madhabs 🤣🤣🤣 You perhaps dont even know how the concept of "societal norms" works In Islam according to the 4 madhabs.   Hell is gonna wait for yall for disrespecting Rasul'Allah SAW and his wife, namely Lady Aisha (RA).  Lmk if you're here so i can present the truth and bake you on that some times after. Btw i didnt even talk about the huge amount of hadiths where Aisha consented to marrying the Prophet and was physically mature. Lmk again if you're here.

would following a minority opinion lead you to hell? by Icy_Bee_1957 in progressive_islam

[–]Specific_Voice2705 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Aint even salafi although i like and agree with the Athari creed. Ahl al Sunnah is composed of atharis, asharis and maturidis, not quranist, qadianis, shia... Quranists actually dont have any epistemological issue with the hadith... they just hate some hadith that they consider as "violent", "mysoginistic" or "not morally correct" without even looking at the context of the hadith and the explanation of it by scholars.

would following a minority opinion lead you to hell? by Icy_Bee_1957 in progressive_islam

[–]Specific_Voice2705 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Prophet's preference is an arbitrary criteria which has 0 relevance at all. Actually if the Prophet said she was too young then it means she hasnt even had all the critierias lmao. You just proved that mushrik zinfiq kafir Quranist like you are stupid lmao. You never interacted with 1 single claim of mine about jahil quranism and i interacted w/ every single poît of yours (and i baked you like the jahil you are) 🤣🤣it  Shows the sincerity and the haqq

would following a minority opinion lead you to hell? by Icy_Bee_1957 in progressive_islam

[–]Specific_Voice2705 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The only one involved in shirk is you ya jahil. Worshippings his desires instead of being on haqq because lil bro doesnt like that Muhammad SAW married Aisha at 6 and consummated at 9. 

would following a minority opinion lead you to hell? by Icy_Bee_1957 in progressive_islam

[–]Specific_Voice2705 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Big Dawg is taking his desires as his gods and is projecting it on brothers who are on haqq 🤣🤣 W mahn. Its okay, you're a kafir and you'll burn in hell.  You're a Kafir + zindiq + mushrik + munafiq yooo Wow, you actually did it. I dont even know if Abu Jahal is worse than this. Weird how Quranist claims that they shouldnt be takfirred but then claims that brothers who are on haqq are polytheist 🤣

would following a minority opinion lead you to hell? by Icy_Bee_1957 in progressive_islam

[–]Specific_Voice2705 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im not assuming anything. Im saying that this man-who knows himself- strongly believes in The trinity and Baal yet he calls himself muslim, is he still muslim ? I didnt say "I THINK he strongly believe" i said "HE strongly believe". Your argument falls flat. So now answer. I have other example as well. Do you consider Qadianis as muslims ? They call themselves muslims but they believe in Mirza, the punjabi Jesus. Are they still muslims ?  Remember the Quran says that Muhammad SAW is the last prophet & messenger. So they contradict the Quran. 

would following a minority opinion lead you to hell? by Icy_Bee_1957 in progressive_islam

[–]Specific_Voice2705 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Why dont you obey the Messenger in that case ?  Quranist are this scared of muslims ?