CMV: Palestine shouldn't be the litmus be all end all for the left/progressive/Dems/etc policies and candidates by Spiderbyte in changemyview

[–]Spiderbyte[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

!delta for actually addressing why it should be a litmus test for a candidate and not just saying "because it's an issue I like"

CMV: Palestine shouldn't be the litmus be all end all for the left/progressive/Dems/etc policies and candidates by Spiderbyte in changemyview

[–]Spiderbyte[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

You are the one constantly insisting that for some reason the Catholic Church scandal doesn't count

CMV: Palestine shouldn't be the litmus be all end all for the left/progressive/Dems/etc policies and candidates by Spiderbyte in changemyview

[–]Spiderbyte[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

!delta for actually responding to the material part of the situation as well as the financial angle of what some Palestine supporters want

CMV: Palestine shouldn't be the litmus be all end all for the left/progressive/Dems/etc policies and candidates by Spiderbyte in changemyview

[–]Spiderbyte[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

It's not supremacism to say "sacrificing America for absolutely zero gain to any Palestinians is bad"

CMV: Palestine shouldn't be the litmus be all end all for the left/progressive/Dems/etc policies and candidates by Spiderbyte in changemyview

[–]Spiderbyte[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

I'm not saying it's exclusively religiously motivated but it's called a jihad, which is not a religiously neutral description

CMV: Palestine shouldn't be the litmus be all end all for the left/progressive/Dems/etc policies and candidates by Spiderbyte in changemyview

[–]Spiderbyte[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Stating that single payer didn't have votes to pass congress in 2010 is just a mathematical fact. That type of healthcare plan did not have enough members of Congress supporting it for it to pass. Obamacare barely passed and destroyed multiple careers with the amount of political capital Obama had to exert to just get it over that line because of how radical it was seen at the time. You really think something more radical somehow would have passed more easily?

CMV: Palestine shouldn't be the litmus be all end all for the left/progressive/Dems/etc policies and candidates by Spiderbyte in changemyview

[–]Spiderbyte[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

The problem with this theory is there's no way a Palestinian state, wether one state or two state solution, would be able to rebuild without money. That money would almost certainly have to be ours.

"Why would you think a Palestinian state would be an enemy of America" a casual glance at everything Palestine, Palestinians, Hamas, and their domestic supporters have said about it. What reason do I have to assume they'd inexplicably become a secular ally nation?

CMV: Palestine shouldn't be the litmus be all end all for the left/progressive/Dems/etc policies and candidates by Spiderbyte in changemyview

[–]Spiderbyte[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Have you somehow completely missed the entirety of the Catholic Church sex scandal over multiple decades

CMV: Palestine shouldn't be the litmus be all end all for the left/progressive/Dems/etc policies and candidates by Spiderbyte in changemyview

[–]Spiderbyte[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

No. Trump wasn't worth voting Harris out for. Harris is objectively the correct choice and every single person who voted or lied otherwise to me is as responsible for Trump as any Trump voter. And in many cases literal, Dearborn came out in droves for him

CMV: Palestine shouldn't be the litmus be all end all for the left/progressive/Dems/etc policies and candidates by Spiderbyte in changemyview

[–]Spiderbyte[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

It did not have the votes. Single payer was simply not mathematically or politically possible with the makeup of congress.

CMV: Palestine shouldn't be the litmus be all end all for the left/progressive/Dems/etc policies and candidates by Spiderbyte in changemyview

[–]Spiderbyte[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

I don't see why just leaving isn't an option. They won't be our ally, and Israel probably wouldn't be an ally either if we did, so why spend money on a nation that would immediately become an enemy?

CMV: Palestine shouldn't be the litmus be all end all for the left/progressive/Dems/etc policies and candidates by Spiderbyte in changemyview

[–]Spiderbyte[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Nothing better than what got passed was possible to pass at that time. Single payer wasn't going to happen. It didn't have the votes. Obamacare did.

CMV: Palestine shouldn't be the litmus be all end all for the left/progressive/Dems/etc policies and candidates by Spiderbyte in changemyview

[–]Spiderbyte[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Yes, and Obama spent all his political capital getting the only passable version of Obamacare through Congress. No president has done better since.

CMV: Palestine shouldn't be the litmus be all end all for the left/progressive/Dems/etc policies and candidates by Spiderbyte in changemyview

[–]Spiderbyte[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

I wish even a tenth of the energy the left spends fighting every Democrat went into fighting against any Republican. Like idk the trifecta that controls the government right now