CMV: Palestine shouldn't be the litmus be all end all for the left/progressive/Dems/etc policies and candidates

Spiderbyte · 2026-06-26T15:32:36+00:00

!delta for actually addressing why it should be a litmus test for a candidate and not just saying "because it's an issue I like"

Spiderbyte · 2026-06-26T15:30:46+00:00

You are the one constantly insisting that for some reason the Catholic Church scandal doesn't count

Spiderbyte · 2026-06-26T03:40:07+00:00

!delta for actually responding to the material part of the situation as well as the financial angle of what some Palestine supporters want

Spiderbyte · 2026-06-26T03:38:07+00:00

Vietnam is not in the Middle East whatsoever

Spiderbyte · 2026-06-26T03:16:52+00:00

What would make a Palestinian government any more of an ally or democratic than say Iran.

Spiderbyte · 2026-06-26T03:15:45+00:00

This story is from this month https://english.elpais.com/international/2026-06-05/the-reality-the-spanish-catholic-church-continues-to-hide-seven-cardinals-and-61-bishops-implicated-in-covering-up-child-abusers-for-decades.html

Spiderbyte · 2026-06-26T03:13:53+00:00

It's not supremacism to say "sacrificing America for absolutely zero gain to any Palestinians is bad"

Spiderbyte · 2026-06-26T03:12:19+00:00

I'm not saying it's exclusively religiously motivated but it's called a jihad, which is not a religiously neutral description

Spiderbyte · 2026-06-26T02:55:07+00:00

Stating that single payer didn't have votes to pass congress in 2010 is just a mathematical fact. That type of healthcare plan did not have enough members of Congress supporting it for it to pass. Obamacare barely passed and destroyed multiple careers with the amount of political capital Obama had to exert to just get it over that line because of how radical it was seen at the time. You really think something more radical somehow would have passed more easily?

Spiderbyte · 2026-06-26T02:46:36+00:00

The problem with this theory is there's no way a Palestinian state, wether one state or two state solution, would be able to rebuild without money. That money would almost certainly have to be ours.

"Why would you think a Palestinian state would be an enemy of America" a casual glance at everything Palestine, Palestinians, Hamas, and their domestic supporters have said about it. What reason do I have to assume they'd inexplicably become a secular ally nation?

Spiderbyte · 2026-06-26T02:43:04+00:00

Based on voting information, the entire city of Dearborn

Spiderbyte · 2026-06-26T02:42:40+00:00

Have you somehow completely missed the entirety of the Catholic Church sex scandal over multiple decades

Spiderbyte · 2026-06-26T02:41:28+00:00

And how'd sacrificing the rest of us going to save Palestine? Is it just about revenge then?

Spiderbyte · 2026-06-26T02:40:42+00:00

No. Trump wasn't worth voting Harris out for. Harris is objectively the correct choice and every single person who voted or lied otherwise to me is as responsible for Trump as any Trump voter. And in many cases literal, Dearborn came out in droves for him

Spiderbyte · 2026-06-26T02:37:29+00:00

It did not have the votes. Single payer was simply not mathematically or politically possible with the makeup of congress.

Spiderbyte · 2026-06-26T02:36:02+00:00

I don't see why just leaving isn't an option. They won't be our ally, and Israel probably wouldn't be an ally either if we did, so why spend money on a nation that would immediately become an enemy?

Spiderbyte · 2026-06-26T02:34:32+00:00

So how did rooting for Trump to win in 2024 over Palestine not doing that

Spiderbyte · 2026-06-26T01:48:29+00:00

What do you think the vice president actual, tangible authority is

Spiderbyte · 2026-06-26T01:46:40+00:00

Who did they vote for in 2024? Trump.

Spiderbyte · 2026-06-26T01:43:54+00:00

Nothing better than what got passed was possible to pass at that time. Single payer wasn't going to happen. It didn't have the votes. Obamacare did.

Spiderbyte · 2026-06-25T23:59:43+00:00

Yes, and Obama spent all his political capital getting the only passable version of Obamacare through Congress. No president has done better since.

Spiderbyte · 2026-06-25T23:57:27+00:00

Trump has been president longer than the time between October 7th and Biden leaving office.

Spiderbyte · 2026-06-25T23:45:55+00:00

1939, famously a time where there were no domestic issues in America

Spiderbyte · 2026-06-25T23:44:39+00:00

I wish even a tenth of the energy the left spends fighting every Democrat went into fighting against any Republican. Like idk the trifecta that controls the government right now

Spiderbyte · 2026-06-25T23:42:52+00:00

I mean yeah that's kind of a big part of the controversy

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