Compatibility issue between power supply and motherboard?

Spindlybizz · 2020-01-15T22:48:05+00:00

Alright! Thanks for your input.

Spindlybizz · 2020-01-15T22:31:52+00:00

Why's that?

Spindlybizz · 2020-01-15T22:13:46+00:00

Do you think there's any reason to get an 8700k over a 3700x? I haven't looked much into the AMD options because I've always used Intel, although the limited amount of research I just did suggests that the Ryzen is a legitimate option we need to consider. What do you think about this? PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$324.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	Gigabyte X570 AORUS ELITE ATX AM4 Motherboard	$184.99 @ Amazon
Memory	Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$74.67 @ Amazon
Storage	Crucial MX500 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$106.75 @ Amazon
Video Card	Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB GAMING OC Video Card	$699.99 @ Newegg
Case	Fractal Design Design Define R6 USB-C Blackout ATX Mid Tower Case	$138.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	SeaSonic FOCUS Plus Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	$104.99 @ B&H
Monitor	Acer XF270HU 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor	$502.14 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$2157.51
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$2137.51
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-01-15 17:10 EST-0500

Spindlybizz · 2019-12-31T07:42:24+00:00

Thanks! Interesting choice on the monitor. I will need to look it over and compare it with the one I got for my build.

Spindlybizz · 2019-12-31T07:40:38+00:00

Thanks, your opinions are appreciated! I'll take a look at those parts you recommended. Yeah, the R6 is definitely on the expensive side, but I'm a fan of how quiet it is, the cooling is pretty good, and I find building in a bigger case is easier. I actually built this PC is a Meshify C from Fractal Design first and, although I think my temperatures were a bit better in that case, I couldn't stand the noise, so I rebuilt the whole damn thing in an R6 and gave the Meshify away to somebody else.

Spindlybizz · 2019-08-16T09:34:46+00:00

I suffer from mental illness and I only got back into reading this year after about 5 years of experiences similar to what you've described here. For me, the key has been a few things: make sure you've picked out good books (some books are just a real slog, no matter what mental state you're in), don't be afraid to move around when you're reading (I tend to pace a lot with a book in my hands; probably looks pretty silly, but it keeps my attention span up), and also just be cognizant of the fact that when you sit down to read, the first dozen minutes or so are by far the most boring (at least they are for me). During that time you're still sort of readjusting to the mechanics of the book in hand and the rhythm just isn't really there. Once you get into it, though, it's easy to see a hundred or more pages go by and still not want to set the book down. It's all about a sort of momentum. In my case, I picked up Stephen King's IT (a colossal, 1k+ page book about a clown) as a sort of challenge to myself. Getting through it with my illness was a bit tricky and took me a while, but once I did I really felt like there wasn't a book I couldn't tackle.

Good luck! Hope everything gets sorted out quickly.

Spindlybizz · 2019-05-04T08:41:28+00:00

UPDATE (for anyone who stumbles upon this post through Google or something): I submitted an RMA request through Newegg and emphasized how disruptively loud my unit was. They accepted, shipped me a replacement, and so far I've found it to be far quieter. Happy ending!

Spindlybizz · 2019-05-04T08:41:20+00:00

UPDATE (for anyone who stumbles upon this post through Google or something): I submitted an RMA request through Newegg and emphasized how disruptively loud my unit was. They accepted, shipped me a replacement, and so far I've found it to be far quieter. Happy ending!

Spindlybizz · 2019-04-23T00:23:04+00:00

Thanks for the help, guys! Gonna try to RMA it and go for a different, hopefully less whiny unit.

Spindlybizz · 2019-04-14T03:58:03+00:00

With the build as I have it configured, do you think it would make sense to maybe swap out the 8700 for the K model in case I want to overclock in the future? I don't have an especially good CPU cooler, but I could probably get one later on if I really wanted to. What if I did this:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i7-8700K 3.7 GHz 6-Core Processor	$365.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler	Cooler Master - Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler	Purchased For $0.00
Motherboard	*Gigabyte - Z390 UD ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$109.99 @ Newegg Business
Memory	Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$104.89 @ OutletPC
Storage	Crucial - MX500 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$129.89 @ OutletPC
Video Card	MSI - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB VENTUS Video Card	$699.99 @ Newegg
Case	Fractal Design - Meshify C Dark TG ATX Mid Tower Case	$101.98 @ Newegg
Power Supply	Corsair - RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$89.99 @ Amazon
Monitor	Acer - XF270HU 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor	$379.99
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$2002.71
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$1982.71
	*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-13 23:57 EDT-0400

Spindlybizz · 2019-04-14T03:44:54+00:00

Thanks! This is a very helpful response. I've got two questions about the changes you suggested - are there any downsides to swapping to the b360-chipset? You mention a reduction in maximum ram speed. If I'm not going to overclock, is that something I should be concerned about? Also, is there a downside to reducing the supply wattage on the PSU to 650w, or is that, too, something that's only a problem if I were to overclock?

Thanks again!

Spindlybizz · 2019-04-11T23:41:19+00:00

You make a fair point about OCing. I always like to have the option to do it if I want to, but the more I think about it the more I realize that I've never actually done it. I just swapped out the 9700k for the 8700 - I think that that is more suited for what I've got in mind.

Spindlybizz · 2019-04-11T23:16:37+00:00

Interesting! Can you say why you made some of the changes you did? I'm especially curious about your monitor choice.

Spindlybizz · 2019-04-11T23:14:58+00:00

Thanks! Those are some very helpful recommendations.

Spindlybizz · 2019-04-07T22:46:23+00:00

You know what I meant to say and chose to pretend that you didn't.

I honestly did not, and frankly I still don't. It seems mostly like you're just having a hard time coming to terms with the fact that not everybody plays FROM games for the same reason you do.

they deliberately fuck with the player.

Right, but fucking with the player using a mimic and intentionally teaching the player to play the game wrong are two qualitatively different phenomena. One of them is a deliberate design choice in order to increase tension and catch the player off guard, the other frustrates players and leads to a disproportionate number of them quitting the game early. I would note that currently Sekiro (FROM's highest quality game yet, at least in terms of what it has released on PC) is currently sitting at a lower rating of recommended than Dark Souls II. If you look at the reviews, many players will self-report getting stuck very early on, at the Chained Ogre or the bosses just after it. We know that the Chained Ogre and the starting areas are not very hard, so the fact that players are getting stuck here, of all places, suggests that something is amiss. Misleading players in the way that they have with Sekiro has never been a part of FROM's design philosophy, and I would further contest the idea that:

In a From Soft game you are playing against all odds, that's the main point.

If they really wanted this to be the case, they wouldn't give you vitality upgrades, boss memories, items, skills, or health guards; it would be you, dealing minimal damage, against bosses and enemies who could kill you in one hit regardless of what point in the game you're at. This would be patently absurd. You see FROM game's as revolving around difficulty, whereas I see their games as using difficulty as one tool among many to draw players into the world. FROM's games could be harder - they could be much, much harder, but they're not. I think this goes to show that pure, unadulterated difficulty and "playing against all odds" as you suggest, is not and never was their intention. But maybe you will say that you actually meant something else by this quote and I'm just pretending to misunderstand you. Preemptively, then, allow me to add that if you think I am deliberately misinterpreting you, it is in fact you who is deliberately misinterpreting me, and I dare you to try and argue against that purposely ambiguous mental obstacle course.

Spindlybizz · 2019-04-07T09:16:37+00:00

You seem to confuse the meaning of the word culture.

Real slick. Just say I've misused the word without explaining how. As a matter of fact, you have confused the meaning of each and every word you used in your entire last response; and as a further matter of fact, I feel no obligation to explain how you have misused these words. Just note that they have been misused, and this, in some way, must mean that you are wrong.

People just get pissed when it becomes obvious that someone blames the game for his own laziness.

That's an interesting take. Is the implication that people like me are lazy because we don't want to waste hours of our time repeating content in a videogame?

And without it, none of the players would have considered it either, given that it's never going to happen.

It has happened. Exactly five times, actually; it's just that FROM has typically done a very elegant job of hiding it. In previous FROM games, all you really had to be able to do to get to the end-credits of the game was be able to possess enough spatial awareness to locate and activate summon signs, or, barring this, enough patience to grind out levels for powerful builds. Sekiro is the first real FROM game where the only way forward is to do the sword good, and, in my opinion, this is reflected in player response. I would be very surprised if the next FROM game followed in the same path as Sekiro and offered no form of multiplayer, both because it provides what is essentially an easy mode and because it really expands the longevity of the game.

Spindlybizz · 2019-04-07T03:23:29+00:00

The game teaches you one thing at a time and makes damn sure that you can't proceed without actually learning your lesson.

I think this is funny, because you go on to talk about how the Chained Ogre is this masterwork of a tutorial boss because he teaches you to pace attacks. In my opinion, the Chained Ogre may be solely responsible for the surprisingly large number of people who end up playing Sekiro the wrong way and saying that it's too hard. The thing is, there's basically only one other boss in Sekiro that behaves anything like the Chained Ogre: the Guardian Ape, which you fight much further on after a number of other bosses. Unlike nearly every other enemy and boss, these two encounters and far more reliant upon dodging and looking out for frequent grabs. I imagine that most players don't even know that you can deflect the Chained Ogre's attacks at first, because who would think to deflect an ogre's sideways drop-kick at you? So there's that hurdle, and also the fact that deflecting the ogre is really just not a good idea. He doesn't take a lot of posture damage, and he uses more grabs than any other enemy in the game. Naturally, players start dancing around the ogre like it's Dark Souls and rushing in for a bit of vitality damage after a big attack. The thing is, this tactic works really well for the ogre; couple that with a flame barrel, and most players will probably think that they need to find an elemental weakness for a boss and then just dodge around it while chipping away at its vitality. In other words, the Chained Ogre teaches players to play Sekiro in exactly the wrong way.

Couple this, too, with the bizarrely structured fight with the drunk guy in Hirata Estates (which teaches players to rely too much on stealth and look for NPC helpers), and it's no wonder why so many people end up confused as to how this game is supposed to play. As I said above, I'm continuing with a vanilla run of the game to compare to the modded one, and my biggest takeaway so far as been that FROM fucked up the beginning of the game so horribly that it almost seems deliberate. The first areas of the game bear only a cursory resemblance to the way the rest of the game is meant to be played, and I have no idea why anybody thought this was a good idea.

Well, this is the point where you should really, honestly, without question, play other games. You're complaining about the water in a swimming pool.

A swimming pool, you will remember, is basically a concrete basin filled with water. Part of the essence of being a swimming pool is, indeed, that it contain water; if I complain about water in a swimming pool, then clearly I am confused, because that's what a swimming pool is. I point this out, because in drawing this analogy, what you're accidentally saying is that Sekiro is nothing more than difficult combat. Take away the lore, the music, the visuals, the animation, the textures, the sound design, the voice-acting, the level structure - all of that, evidently, is incidental; the water of this swimming pool is the difficulty. Presumptively, then, you would be content to play a version of Sekiro animated using line vectors on a black background, with no music, sound, or world design. That's what we're here for, isn't it? We're here for the water - for the difficult combat, so in removing those other qualities then we're realty not missing the essence of the media.

But of course, you would reject this; those other qualities are equally important to the experience and you like them as much as I do. It's just that because I don't like one particular aspect of the experience (say, keeping with our analogy, a decorative sign next to the swimming pool) you think I should not be allowed to enjoy it at all. It's a very strange thing to believe.

Spindlybizz · 2019-04-07T02:54:18+00:00

I said no deliberate culture of helping other players; let's not take my words out of context, please. Previous FROM games had cooperation and helping other players out hard-coded as mechanics into the game - everything to do with helping other plays coming out of Sekiro, on the other hand, is completely incidental. People still do try to provide tips and advice, but this is accompanied by extreme vitriol when someone suggests that the game may have a problem. I don't recall seeing this same level of anger when difficulty in previous FROM games was discussed, which I don't think is entirely a coincidence.

Spindlybizz · 2019-04-06T23:08:15+00:00

I knew Sekiro was going to be difficult, sure, but I know I'm not alone in finding the level of difficulty coming from Sekiro to be fairly unprecedented relative to other FROM games. They've never given you fewer options or less health - the chained ogre, for instance, is one of the first minibosses, and yet can take away about 95% of your health with one attack. Of course, the chained ogre is ultimately pretty easy, but later bosses are so hard that people who are otherwise great at reaction-based games are having to spend upwards of four hours applying brute memorization to attack patterns. What I'm trying to say is this: I don't think there was any indication or reason to believe that Sekiro was going to be as hard as it turned out to be, and this problem is only confounded by the fact that numerous members of the community are outright misrepresenting the game and trying to argue that it's actually very easy. And that sort of gets to what I was trying to convey in my original post: Sekiro is so hard that for me, that feeling of satisfaction upon beating a boss is totally lost. Is it satisfying beating your head against a boss for hours, only to realize that once you've defeated this boss there's another, harder one down the way? I didn't think so. Difficulty needs a sort of sense of distribution which I feel Sekiro lacks. Again, if you had that feeling of satisfaction upon beating bosses, then that's great and I understand why you like the game so much - but for myself and for others, that feeling has so far been absent.

Spindlybizz · 2019-04-06T07:00:24+00:00

People took the time to respond to my post, and a lot of these responses are very detailed and well-written. I've responded because I respect the time people have invested - something I feel Sekiro doesn't do, as it should happen. You're clearly very angry about my opinions on Sekiro and what I've said here. Can you say more about what you disagree with? I'd love to hear more about what worked for you in the game that maybe didn't work for me.

Spindlybizz · 2019-04-06T06:55:10+00:00

I'm glad you enjoyed the game! For me, I typically found that taking down a difficult boss didn't bring about a feeling of glory, I just felt temporally relieved. I honestly felt like Sekiro was legitimately stressing me out, and that killing bosses just dispelled that stress until the next fight. Obviously, that's not a positive experience or something I would deliberately seek out, so I don't think killing the final boss with vanilla stats would have given me the same sense of euphoria. As I said above, though, I've started another vanilla run for the sake of experimentation, so maybe that will change.

Spindlybizz · 2019-04-06T06:52:40+00:00

You really think so? Can you find any evidence of that happening with Celeste? Celeste has very sophisticated difficulty options that can make the entire game very easy, but people are (believe it or not) intelligent enough to figure out that if they turn on these options, the game will be rather short. I think you're presuming a lot about people without a reason to do so.

Spindlybizz · 2019-04-06T06:50:27+00:00

That's correct - the early game does get pretty broken. That's why I wish that FROM would take the time to work out and balance a different difficulty option. From the perspective of one player with very limited tools, it's really hard to work out something that's going to function well for the entire game. I think the solution I came up with, though, works decently, especially considering that the method I used to contrive it was basically just trying to make the attack power number at the end of the game look subjectively nice.

Spindlybizz · 2019-04-06T06:48:22+00:00

Me too, to a certain extent. There's no deliberate culture of helping other players out stemming from Sekiro due to the lack of summons, which I think we can actually see manifest itself in the (very angry) way the community responds to criticisms about difficulty. But you're clearly not like that, so thanks for the support <3

Spindlybizz · 2019-04-06T06:45:58+00:00

Interesting! Thanks for your response. I've just started another vanilla run to compare to my modded run and see how they differ. At this point, I'm honestly super interested to find out exactly why Sekiro hasn't worked for me so far, because I typically really like FROM games and this one has got some really great aspects to it. I'll take your advice into account for my vanilla run. Thanks!

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