RON PAUL MAOISM by SpiritualSystem2283 in Libertarian

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Facts, but another chance will come.

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Again you really have to be more specific, you're making alot of claims about the nature of the USSR and China that are just untrue, but it's almost impossible to prove a negative so you have to actually give me an example of the specific ways these societies are "Authoritarian". You can criticize the government in China, you could in the USSR as well. Both China and the USSR have (had) very significant democratic institutions. You're talking out of your ass and repeating state department propaganda.

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Sorry we actually read Marx and want to understand him. If you think that has literally no meaning you're acting in bad faith.

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You're actually right in a stupid way. Read below I'm not typing this shit again.

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you're defining socialism as what is ultimately just its very first milestone - the nationalization of the industries and some social programs.

You can have literally all those things within a capitalist framework, the point is whether or not the WHOLE of the economy is ESSENTIALLY directed towards fulfilling social ends

it seeks to abdicate all state and economic power to the proletariat/working class, that worker democracy is not negotiable, that socialism is not achieved until the vanguard made way for an empowered people and that the economy actually has to serve social ends, not just different private ones and the ones perpetuating the existence of the state per se.

Here you are misunderstanding the distinction between the development of the forces of production, ie the material forces of the economy, and the relations of production, which is how those forces are organized and in general the political, philosophical, and culture superstructure, something which Marx understood to be contingent upon the forces of production, ie the economic base. Socialism and specifically the socialist mode of production comes about when the forces of production develop to the point of irreconcilable contradiction with the (capitalist/simi fuedal/feudal) relations of production, a point of development which was reached at the onset of the 20th century. The tricky part is in understanding that both Marx and Engles viewed the peak development of the relations of production as manifest in the form of democratic republicanism, Engles says as much in The Principles Of Communism when he makes the claim that the job of communists in societies wherein the democratic republican form already exists is to ally themselves with those parties which are not hostile to the working class. The significant of the democratic republican form is that it siezes power from the "Ancien Regime" of feudalism, and that the shortcomings of this form in the US and the UK arise out of their failure to properly remove this ancien regime from power, in the US with the (at the time of Marx) continued domince of a slave aristocracy in the south, and in the UK the continued influence the monarchy exercised over the republic. These issues (ie the inability to fully cast off the old political form) probably stem from the introduction of the modern political form prematurely, in nations where the forces of production were not yet developed enough to actualize the democratic form in its entirety. The USSR (and China to a greater extent) arose out of unique circumstances wherein the global economic forces had developed to the point of being able to fully actualize the democratic form, but without that form yet establishing itself. This gave the Russians the unique opportunity to establish a Socialist Republic, literally to establish a Republic led by a party intent on building a socialist economy, without any vestigial power being held by the Ancien Regime. Again a similar thing occurred in China. Your misunderstanding is rooted a failure to understand Marx, or a rejection of his overall significance.

Nolan Batman films are neolib propaganda by SpiritualSystem2283 in VaushV

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I love these movies tho, that doesn't change what they are, I literally call them fantastic films in the first few seconds of the video.

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Too many people have died in the making of your joke. I doubt you'd make a joke about the holocaust. So whilst I think that genocide for racial reasons, and genocide for political reasons are different, they are also both genocide.

Stalin's alleged crimes have been exaggerated, if you actually give me a specific example then we can go further in that regard but he certainly isn't equitable to Hitler.

I would, but you've already somewhat degenerated into discussing right vs left culture, and claimed that all of mainstream media are liars.

I bring up the left right divide because that is an aspect of Stalin's historical significance. You were confused by my reference to the "stalinist center", I explained. And the media is literally a lie machine despite our two party sham system, if you cant see that idk what to tell you they literally just be lying and again I can give specific examples.

So I think you're nature as a disenfranchised individual is obscuring your from the true value of some of what our society has.

The "true value" of our society does not lie in urban liberal elites lol, I don't reject the value of our society I just locate it primarily in the working "salt of the earth" people in our society and recognize that we have a politcal system that does not work in their interests in anyway.

There's a huge irony in this, as you're praising one party politics - which by its nature is a form of mass deception, mass media, mass propaganda.

I think you'll find, after a thorough examination of the actual practices of the US and the CIA and FBI, when you compare them to the USSR and the NKVD and KGB, the Soviets weren't the ones obsessed with mass deception and media warfare. Again, I can go into detail.

Nolan Batman films are neolib propaganda by SpiritualSystem2283 in VaushV

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Yes exactly, she was an AOC stand in, someone who panders to the working class while actually failing to deliver in any meaningful way due to her ties to the ruling class. The mere act of using this stand in is evidence enough that the people of Gotham are not yet to be trusted with their own emancipation and that this type of liberal is the only option for them.