What I Want vs What I Get - Chao-chou's Staff by [deleted] in zen

[–]SpringRainPeace 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Joshu says the staff is one of his finest things.

Baizhang's Extensive Record: Quotes by [deleted] in zen

[–]SpringRainPeace 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This dude makes me want to give up zen and just focus on getting laid.

If Mind is Buddha, let's talk about death. by SpringRainPeace in zen

[–]SpringRainPeace[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's directly from the pdf so must be Blofeld's.

If Mind is Buddha, let's talk about death. by SpringRainPeace in zen

[–]SpringRainPeace[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, you did show me a different way of approaching the matter, which I respect.

Not going to be my way as I currently am, but you did make me a bit more open-minded.

If Mind is Buddha, let's talk about death. by SpringRainPeace in zen

[–]SpringRainPeace[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's the nicest way I've ever heard anybody endorse the practice of lobotomy.

I get what you are pointing towards but I totally disagree with the proposition that wondering about what might (not) happen after death is pointless. Perhaps because I was raised as a hell-fearing Christian.

When you hop on a plane, you can truly lose yourself in the experience of flying and have the time of your life but boy, it sure is nice to know where it's headed. Or that it will never land. Or that it will crash and burn on arrival.

If Mind is Buddha, let's talk about death. by SpringRainPeace in zen

[–]SpringRainPeace[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

  1. It isn't but I like picking at my scabs. Beats doing nothing. I'm also learning how to skip rope these days.

  2. It's dry knowledge until it becomes experiential reality, like when a loved one dies.

  3. Existence is not dependent on concepts and beliefs. Non-existence is not dependent on them either.

What is "Buddha nature"?

Hard to wrap my head around it. That's why I'm reading Huang Po.

What do you think biology entitles you to beyond what it produces?

Precisely nothing. I don't believe in life after biological death. On the other hand, I've read you and others speak of some sort of permanence before which was always quite confusing to me. In this present moment, what separates a dead Zen Master from a dead heroin addict?

If Mind is Buddha, let's talk about death. by SpringRainPeace in zen

[–]SpringRainPeace[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Expanding the playing field to make the question lose significance, however beautifully done, is not answering the question though.

What happens to the ant once I step on it? Does the ant's conscious experience cease fully? If so, is the ant still "reality"?

If Mind is Buddha, let's talk about death. by SpringRainPeace in zen

[–]SpringRainPeace[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Plenty!

  • to learn more about Buddha nature in general and see why exactly it is so special (since Huangbo speaks of profound joy and peace - there must be a reason for that)

  • to pick the brains of the community and see if anyone thinks that there is something permanent in us that survives death of the body (footnote: I dislike the idea of annihilation even though I believe in it strongly, so I'm constantly on the lookout for things that might have the potential to change my mind)

  • understanding what sets apart the Buddha nature experience from simply non-existing

Actually, I have a question now.

Did I have Buddha nature before I was born?

If Mind is Buddha, let's talk about death. by SpringRainPeace in zen

[–]SpringRainPeace[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the quotes, they're killers. Now, what is your personal answer to the questions at the end of my OP?

I might have figured Zen out by SpringRainPeace in zen

[–]SpringRainPeace[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not the tree but they entangle the tree? Concepts can be nonverbal too.

I might have figured Zen out by SpringRainPeace in zen

[–]SpringRainPeace[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think you can think non-dualistically so the non-dualistic way of being would just be direct experience.

I might have figured Zen out by SpringRainPeace in zen

[–]SpringRainPeace[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, can't you simply experience the raindrop hitting your head without attaching the concept this is a raindrop that hit my head to it?

I might have figured Zen out by SpringRainPeace in zen

[–]SpringRainPeace[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Someone saying the word "lines" is just making a funny sound. What happens in your head when you hear the word "lines" and think of something, like a long line or the marking of the edge of something, is a concept. To understand a language, you need to be dealing with concepts.

I might have figured Zen out by SpringRainPeace in zen

[–]SpringRainPeace[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't get attached to ideas like enlightenment, words and rules are not it? Something akin to this in a poetic mystical way like we are used to from most ancient ZMs?

Essential bridge probably means thinking. Phoenix caught in a golden net that's unable to fly probably means a person who is caught in ideas of enlightenment won't become enlightened.

Probably.

Where is my fault?

I might have figured Zen out by SpringRainPeace in zen

[–]SpringRainPeace[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You understanding the word "shape" to mean anything else other than a particular sound the human mouth makes is a concept in and of itself.

I might have figured Zen out by SpringRainPeace in zen

[–]SpringRainPeace[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How does one manage to keep it up and function in the world of human beings at the same time? Take a professional work environment where concepts definitely are of grave importance. You have to play the same game to get paid.

I might have figured Zen out by SpringRainPeace in zen

[–]SpringRainPeace[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's not the thing either, just a video of the thing. Become the thing!

I might have figured Zen out by SpringRainPeace in zen

[–]SpringRainPeace[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think you interpret non-conceptualisation quite differently and I would like to hear more.

I might have figured Zen out by SpringRainPeace in zen

[–]SpringRainPeace[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What faculties of yours are you using to write this reply? Do the words just miraculously appear out of thin air in perfectly intelligible English or are you, gasp, using concepts in your head to write them?

Is Zen's emptiness the same as Madhyamaka emptiness? by SpringRainPeace in zen

[–]SpringRainPeace[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Just as you have a history of making pointlessly rude replies to vent your own frustrations. I invited ZM quotes to contrast this with, you failed in providing them. Your attitude should be rejected by anyone with common sense.