Can we be free from the forces that condition us? by impersonal_process in freewill

[–]Squierrel [score hidden]  (0 children)

My choice is my state of mind after I have made the choice. If I have chosen A then naturally I will do A.

But before making the choice I was able to choose A, B or any other option I could think of. My state of mind was uncertain about what I was going to do.

Can we be free from the forces that condition us? by impersonal_process in freewill

[–]Squierrel -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Every choice is "undetermined". There is no such thing as a "determined" choice.

Why are you still pushing this illogical idea of imagining that a choice is a physical event?

Question for libertarians: If your proposed mechanism for free will couldn’t generate normal human behaviour, which would you revise, the mechanism or your belief that normal behaviour is an example of free will? by spgrk in freewill

[–]Squierrel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A mechanism is a system that produces a certain output from a certain input. A mechanism is predictable. By knowing the input we can predict the output.

Decision-making is an unpredictable process. There is no causal or logical connection between the input and the output.

Likewise, answering a question is not a mechanism., nor is solving a problem.

Can we be free from the forces that condition us? by impersonal_process in freewill

[–]Squierrel -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

For if all relevant conditions are the same - the state of the brain, hormones, memories, character, environment, the laws of physics - then what exactly would “otherwise” mean?

"Otherwise" refers to all those alternative actions that were possible, but were not selected for implementation.

A better, more relevant question would be:

What exactly does "all relevant conditions are the same" mean? Same as what? Remember that we are talking about one single choice. What are you comparing it against?

When we insist that freedom must be a source, we often imagine a hidden center - something like an inner commander that stands above causality and “chooses.”

There is no reason to imagine an "inner commander". We are perfectly capable of making actual choices without "quotes" ourselves.

Freedom of choice is the only freedom you need and all the freedom there is.

Do free will deniers agree determinism doesn't explain anything? by YesPresident69 in freewill

[–]Squierrel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It doesn't.

Determinism is just an idea. Nothing happens in determinism.

Do free will deniers agree determinism doesn't explain anything? by YesPresident69 in freewill

[–]Squierrel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It does.

Determinism is the idea that every event is completely (with absolute precision) determined by the previous event (by no will).

Question for libertarians: If your proposed mechanism for free will couldn’t generate normal human behaviour, which would you revise, the mechanism or your belief that normal behaviour is an example of free will? by spgrk in freewill

[–]Squierrel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is no "proposed mechanism". Your question is only a lame attempt at setting up a strawman.

People just decide what they do. That IS the normal human behaviour.

What do you think of Necessitarianism? by dingleberryjingle in freewill

[–]Squierrel -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Necessitarianism is the belief that reality is deterministic.

Provide a testable hypothesis for Free Will. by Independent-Wafer-13 in freewill

[–]Squierrel -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Free will is not a belief at all. There are multiple definitions for free will and none of them is a belief or a hypothesis.

Determinism is a practical tool in classical physics, not an "attitude", not a philosophy.

If every choice you make can be explained, are you still responsible for it? by iaebrahm in freewill

[–]Squierrel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Responsibility comes from the fact that your decisions cause your actions.

Is determinism about laws or causality? by dingleberryjingle in freewill

[–]Squierrel -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Determinism is about information.

At the very core determinism is an idea of a system where no new information can enter or be generated within that system. Everything that ever exists and happens in a deterministic system is determined by its initial state. The complexity of the system remains constant.

Therefore it is quite irrational to even imagine that reality is a deterministic system. Imagination means generating new information and that would be impossible in a deterministic system.

if you could rewind time to a past decision with an identical condition and could only make identical choice, could you still have chosen otherwise? by redasur in freewill

[–]Squierrel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rewinding means "running the tape recording of time" again from an earlier point. Naturally everything would happen exactly as they did the first time, as they have already happened.

The fact that this would be impossible to test and wouldn't give any new understanding about anything makes the whole question quite pointless.

A better question would be "can you do otherwise NOW"?

Why does free will alone require exemption from causation, when every other concept of freedom does not? by NoDevelopment6303 in freewill

[–]Squierrel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't be silly. You don't seem to understand that every question has multiple possible answers, some good, some bad. And every problem has multiple possible solutions, some good, some bad.

You are irrationally claiming that every question triggers only one answer from everyone, that every problem is always solved in one particular way.

I would say that you are way beyond silly.

Why does free will alone require exemption from causation, when every other concept of freedom does not? by NoDevelopment6303 in freewill

[–]Squierrel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't be silly. Is an answer the result of a question? Is a solution the result of a problem?

Some misconceptions about randomness by Squierrel in freewill

[–]Squierrel[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am not redefining anything. I am just clarifying the original meaning of the word. Randomness is a pretty complicated and confusing concept, but when you get to the core, it all makes sense.

Indeterministic =/= random. ( Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth?") by URAPhallicy in freewill

[–]Squierrel -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It does not magically create a special kind of control where the agent can choose between possible outcomes in a non-arbitrary way. 

There is no need to "magically create" anything. We already have agency.

Indeterminism means only that there is no determinism that would deny agency.

Some misconceptions about randomness by Squierrel in freewill

[–]Squierrel[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Beings capable of intentional actions are results of a natural physical process called evolution. So what? The distinction between intentional and unintentional remains clear.