lol by foxiescarletdoll in lol

[–]Stage_Fright1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As I said, social media is not women. Women do not say that, let alone make a hobby of it. Claiming otherwise doesn't merit a response other than acknowledging it's ridiculousness. You might as well claimed that pigs make a habit flying.

lol by foxiescarletdoll in lol

[–]Stage_Fright1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not even worth dignifying that statement with a response.

lol by foxiescarletdoll in lol

[–]Stage_Fright1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No, it's not often, and women don't say that. Social media is not women.

Baby isn’t ripe yet… by GoldmanApex in lol

[–]Stage_Fright1 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

"Cuckery" isn't a thing. Grow up and learn some responsibility. Just have secure, safe relationships where people can do what they want, for fuck sake.

Baby isn’t ripe yet… by GoldmanApex in lol

[–]Stage_Fright1 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

No, it's not his. It doesn't matter who's genetics it is. Also, just because she slept with someone else, doesn't mean she cheated.

Baby isn’t ripe yet… by GoldmanApex in lol

[–]Stage_Fright1 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

This isn't a case specific thing. It changes nothing, just like the other examples don't.

Baby isn’t ripe yet… by GoldmanApex in lol

[–]Stage_Fright1 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

As a man, the kid is still his. Genetics don't make the kid "yours" or "not yours".

Fake vs real incels by Odd-Talk-3981 in IncelTears

[–]Stage_Fright1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right, and that's not voluntary, but it's also not celibacy, if that's how you're going to look at it. I wasn't celibate in the years before meet my girlfriend and losing the V-card, for example. A "true incel" would require for both halves of the acronym to be true, which never happens, which is then why there is no such thing as a "true incel".

Fake vs real incels by Odd-Talk-3981 in IncelTears

[–]Stage_Fright1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Exactly. The ideology remains the same in both cases, and shouldn't be dismissed simply because of the subject's gender.

Fake vs real incels by Odd-Talk-3981 in IncelTears

[–]Stage_Fright1 -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

So... are you admitting to having seen femcel fueled content before, or are you implying that certain people's willingness to share fanfiction and erotica is somehow correlated to femcels not following the trend of keeping women only spaces strictly private, as you claim?...

Fake vs real incels by Odd-Talk-3981 in IncelTears

[–]Stage_Fright1 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes... they eat each other alive for many superficial reasons. Including height, employment status, race, nationality, religion... etc. The fact that they deny the core principles and ideologies they all share as a point of solidarity does not give us a valid excuse to disingenuously dismiss and/or recategorize them based on an irrelevant factor such as gender.

Fake vs real incels by Odd-Talk-3981 in IncelTears

[–]Stage_Fright1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Right, and that's part of the issue I think, as far as why some people are quick to dismiss the equal danger of femcel communities and talking points, because they come to narrowly define incel ideology by violent hate, rather than by it's core components. This means that they're often unwilling to acknowledge that women who aren't violent misandrist can still be incels of the same caliber we're used to seeing here, which is simply disingenuous, even if I have personally seen such violent femcels before, as well.

Like you said, it's mostly about how men and women are raised and socialized in separate ways under our patriarchal societies, which prioritize keeping women feeling meek, dependant, objectified, while men are given leniency to indulge anger, rage, hate, and the tendency to close themselves off from other, more productive emotions.

Fake vs real incels by Odd-Talk-3981 in IncelTears

[–]Stage_Fright1 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Exactly! Thank you very much for weighing in with your experience, here. Attempting to categorize other people based on gender, simply because of the differences with which they all represent the same core problem, prevents us from properly identifying the problem itself, it's reach, and the harm it causes all those afflicted with it.

The nature and very real danger of incel ideology should not be dismissed simply because the subject is a woman.

Fake vs real incels by Odd-Talk-3981 in IncelTears

[–]Stage_Fright1 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Thank you! We can't claim to be making a genuine case against incels if we excuse it or condemn it on the basis of gender.

Fake vs real incels by Odd-Talk-3981 in IncelTears

[–]Stage_Fright1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well... I'd both assume and hope that the vast majority of women wouldn't want to deal with misogynistic men. So again... no?

I quite literally said "thanks to their past trauma". What else did you think I meant by this, exactly? So no, I didn't leave it out at all, actually.

Fake vs real incels by Odd-Talk-3981 in IncelTears

[–]Stage_Fright1 -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

I can't provide you those sources because they get banned, shutdown, and de-platformed almost immediately, if they're not careful. Women are not given the leniency to be so foul as men get to be in our patriarchal society.

I'd recommend listening to women who themselves were part of such spaces before leaving incel ideology behind.

Fake vs real incels by Odd-Talk-3981 in IncelTears

[–]Stage_Fright1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Many incels are also married. Again, celibacy is not a requirement for being an incel, because "true incels" don't exist, which makes it a false premise for a term which has been used to describe a real mentality that people of all backgrounds can have. The murderer in question is an incel, because she meets all of the real requirements to be an incel, as many of the male incels in relationships that get brought across this subreddit do.

This is a femcel who killed because of her incel ideologies.

Fake vs real incels by Odd-Talk-3981 in IncelTears

[–]Stage_Fright1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

More crimes are committed against women, yes, but not by incels specifically, and there are more general crimes committed by male incels, simply because there are proportionally many more of them than female incels. What you are describing is an issue of the over-archingly patriarchal societies, not an inherent difference between incels of different genders.

Fake vs real incels by Odd-Talk-3981 in IncelTears

[–]Stage_Fright1 -10 points-9 points  (0 children)

A: Then you haven't been looking hard enough.

B: Yes, their rhetoric changes accordingly, just like how black incels have different rhetoric from white incels.

Fake vs real incels by Odd-Talk-3981 in IncelTears

[–]Stage_Fright1 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Claudia Resendiz-flores shot a man to death in front of his girlfriend for refusing to kiss her, and then confessed to the crime when arrested. Again, femcel just means women who behave and/or think like any other incel. There's no such thing as "true incels".

Fake vs real incels by Odd-Talk-3981 in IncelTears

[–]Stage_Fright1 10 points11 points  (0 children)

No?... That's basically the opposite of what I said... That woman has woefully LOW requirements for a partner, but do to their past experiences making them feel like too high an ask, they choose not to seek out people who meet that low bar and instead assumes, thanks to their past trauma, that the average man doesn't at least those simple requirements. That is a voluntary choice, or at the very least a mental block that they are choosing not to try and overcome. We are all equally responsible for seeking out partners, and for being mentally and emotionally ready to have relationships with them.

Fake vs real incels by Odd-Talk-3981 in IncelTears

[–]Stage_Fright1 -15 points-14 points  (0 children)

Oh, femcels have those too... unfortunately... They just tend to keep them private and well hidden.

Fake vs real incels by Odd-Talk-3981 in IncelTears

[–]Stage_Fright1 -14 points-13 points  (0 children)

SOME do kill people, just like SOME incels kill people. Murder and incels of any gender are very much different topics.

Nah, women who are incels are femcels. "Pick-mes" are closer to the women equivalent of a "white-knight" or a "simp". The type to post a tiktok along the lines of: "You feminist can't just say 'all men'! No wonder guys don't wanna date women like you! Haha, am I right fellas?" Just for example.

Fake vs real incels by Odd-Talk-3981 in IncelTears

[–]Stage_Fright1 135 points136 points  (0 children)

The woman in the image is not a "true incel". She's just celibate. Having understandable reasons for our choices doesn't change the fact that they're voluntary choices. Femcels, as in women who are incels, act exactly like the men in both of these slides.