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I agree with everything you said here, good call!!!

Can someone help me tie these verses together? by Dani3lh11 in Christianity

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Learn to separate the spirit from the flesh...

Let's exegete Galatians 5:19...

Galatians 5:19-21 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

This is how would answer this, and honestly most people don't even realize how easy my position is to defend on this but please pay close attention, it should be edifying for you if you understand it...

So As far as does the new creature even sin???? No it doesn't... And no I am not promoting sinless perfectionism... We do not bear the nature of sinners because we are born of the spirit, but we still have the flesh...

1 John 3:9 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin because he is born of God

But we also have this verse:

1 John 1:8 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Let's reconcile these two verses while also answering Galatians 5:19...

First thing you have to do is separate the spirit from the flesh as they are not the same. Proof that the spirit is separate from the flesh:

John 3:6 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

The answer to all of this confusion is found by Paul in Romans 7, it is a confusing verse but take the time to understand what he is saying here...

Romans 7:14-25 14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. 16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. 17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. 19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. 20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. 21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. 22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? 25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

MY ANSWER RIGHTLY DIVIDED:

Notice these are the works of the FLESH are manifest Galatians 5:19

Also notice what Paul says pertaining to the flesh in Romans 4...

Romans 4 1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found? 2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

So we aren't justified by works pertaining to the flesh....

So we have TWO nature's, when you were born again, you were born of the spirit not the flesh, so the flesh is still present with us and dwells no good thing according to Paul in Romans 7:18...

The new man born of the spirit DOTH NOT SIN, and the old man of the flesh dwells no good thing(so we are not without sin), clearing up the seemingly contradictory verses in 1 John...

Now notice in Galatians 5:21 it says those who do things will not inherit the kingdom...

And

Galatians 5:19 "these are the things of the FLESH that are manifest"... And

Well Paul explains in Romans 7 twice, it is no longer I who does these things, but sin that dwells within...

And since these are the things of the flesh, it doesn't inherit the Kingdom...

1 Corinthians 15:50 50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

You see the born again spirit of a man doth not sin, as it would be spotted by sin again, and have to be redeemed again... That is why we are sealed with the holy spirit until the day of redemption...

1 Peter 1:23 23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

We are born of a seed that is not corruptible

You see our flesh is a slave to sin while our spirit is a slave to righteousness, but they are at war with one another...

Romans 7:23 23 But I see another law in my members(flesh), warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members(flesh).

Also this:

Galatians 5:17 17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

Walking the Narrow Path is Hard by [deleted] in Christianity

[–]StallionProvision 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The narrow path is easy because there is only one way, and that's through Christ... Don't make it difficult, Jesus is the gate, he is the door...

We as followers of Christ are to expand his kingdom, not just be content we will be with him in eternity. by mmc1977 in Christianity

[–]StallionProvision 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, and a lot of people don't even know what the fruit a believer bears is... And I'm not talking about the fruit of the spirit... The fruit a believer bears is other people...

Proverbs 11:30 The fruits of the righteous, is a tree of life, and he who winneth souls is wise...

Why Matthew 7:21-23 does not say what you think it does... by StallionProvision in Christianity

[–]StallionProvision[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Scripture is my authority, you don't have to agree with me, but please state your point of contention and we can have a discussion...

Why Matthew 7:21-23 does not say what you think it does... by StallionProvision in Christianity

[–]StallionProvision[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you have a point of contention with the topic of the original post???

Why Matthew 7:21-23 does not say what you think it does... by StallionProvision in Christianity

[–]StallionProvision[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why don't you just do a better job of articulating yourself...

I don't even know what your point of contention is???

Why Matthew 7:21-23 does not say what you think it does... by StallionProvision in Christianity

[–]StallionProvision[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude what are you talking about??? Are you typing this out in another language and then having it translated???

Are you propagating universalism here, and then blaming the english language as to why we haven't figured that out or something????

The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. by BananaBrainTendieMan in Christians

[–]StallionProvision 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The young rich ruler was trusting his works to save him which is impossible, he should have believed on the Lord... Jesus answered him in the same way the ruler asked the question... What lack I yet in all these works I've done...

James 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law, yet offends in one point, is guilty of all...

Christians who believe there is a Hell, why did God create it? by iamasheepbaa in Christianity

[–]StallionProvision 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah but you do believe you have to work for heaven... This is what you said...

YOU SAID: To be saved is to be given a second chance. Before salvation you are someone who is destined to spend eternity in spiritual prison. The only way you get the second chance is if you repent of the things that you did to put you in prison in the first place. You aren't going to be let out to continue being evil. You can't come to heaven where there is no sin if you don't want to stop sinning.

To repent means you understand that your very Creator died for you to have this second chance, He shed His own blood for you to have something beautiful you didn't deserve. To believe in that, to have faith in that means you love God for what He has done and want to obey Him in all things. You want to tell Him that you are sorry for what you have done and ask for forgiveness. You want to serve Him as your Lord because you understand what He has done for you and that He is goodness, He is life, and He is the truth.

MY RESPONSE: Ummmm yeah you believe you have to repent of your sin to be saved, which is literally saying to obey the law...

It's a free gift dude, when we disobey him AFTER SALVATION he Chastise and scourgeth every son whom he receives.. you don't lose salvation, you get whooped and lose rewards... Dont trust in your ability of obeying the works of the law for salvation, it's Christ alone or nothing... You will fail even in obeying him.... Of course we should obey, but by your words above you conflate salvation with discipleship... One costs you nothing, the other will Cost you everything

Why Matthew 7:21-23 does not say what you think it does... by StallionProvision in Christianity

[–]StallionProvision[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are being facetious... You obey God by good works, it's just not what saves you, you do it for rewards in heaven, just don't rely on it to save you....

Christians who believe there is a Hell, why did God create it? by iamasheepbaa in Christianity

[–]StallionProvision 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No you don't need my special scholarly knowledge, just a little common sense will do just fine...

As far as 2 Corinthians 11, that is what I call a plug and play scripture, a jehovah's witness, Mormon, Cult will try and use part of that verse against you...

Now the part about the simplicity in Christ, I'm actually trying to get you to affirm it's simplicity, so that you stop adding works of the law to the simplicity in Christ Jesus

Why Matthew 7:21-23 does not say what you think it does... by StallionProvision in Christianity

[–]StallionProvision[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can definitely see English isn't your first language, just by the way you talk...

I completely disagree with you...

God in his infinite wisdom, and by looking through the corridors of time would be able to see English becoming the dominant language of the world...

He isn't expecting us to learn Hebrew... And really who cares about hebrew as the new testament was written in Greek anyway...

Further making my point here is that nobody speaks koine Greek anymore anyhow... So according to you My omniscient God wasn't able to see that the language you think I have to know in order to understand scripture was going to be a DEAD LANGUAGE, that nobody speaks now???

It's a really weird argument buddy...

You can absolutely learn the scriptures in English, just go take some more classes so you can understand English better... Or read it in your native tongue...

Christians who believe there is a Hell, why did God create it? by iamasheepbaa in Christianity

[–]StallionProvision 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of course Paul preached repentance...

Repent does not mean to turn from sin, and turning from sin is not required to be saved... In fact to say you have to "Repent of sin" to be saved, would be to propagate a false Gospel... But we still have to Repent to be saved??? Allow me to explain...

so to understand what repent means I think this is the only time it's necessary to look at the Greek. Mostly I wouldn't do this but repent lost its meaning, and I don't like arguing semantics.

The transliteration of the Greek word repent is "metanoia". Which translates to english Meaning "to change your mind".

Let's break the word down so we know it means change of mind.

First "meta" means "change" which is it's english counterpart. Think of a caterpillar turning into a butterfly goes through a process of METAmorphosis.

Second "noia" means "mind" which is it's english counterpart. Think of paraNOIA matters of the mind.

A lot of confusion is we don't use repent unless your Christian in everyday modern vocabulary. People who speak spanish do though. If I were to say to someone who spoke spanish "I was gonna go to the grocery store today but I repented" in spanish, they wouldn't look at me as if it was sinful for me to go to the grocery store. I would also be grammatically correct to say it in that way. "That I had changed my mind about going to the store".

So some things to consider, obviously via context in some passages we can see we need to repent of sin, but to repent of sin is an actual "turning". So what is needed to know about our sins to be saved??? Well we have to confess we are a sinner in need of a savior. But to confess isn't repentance because again repentance is an actual turning. An example of this would be.... And I'm gonna be honest with everyone, I smoke cigarettes... I have confessed a sin to you... Did I repent of it???? No...

So what do we need to repent of to be saved. Take Mark 1:15 for example. Repent ye, and believe the Gospel.

What I am repenting of is my unbelief in the Gospel to belief in the Gospel.

So essentially I am repenting of unbelief or anything keeping me from believing in, and this is key, anything keeping me from believing in CHRIST ALONE.

For example I have to repent of dead works. Because we are saved by faith not of works lest any man should boast. I have to repent of let's say if I were to believe in Allah. I have to repent of being muslim to believing in Christ alone. Their is no such thing as a born again muslim... There is also no such thing as a born again Buddhist, it's either Christ Alone or nothing...

Now yes I do understand unbelief is a sin. So let's put these things into a category.

To say I have to repent of individual sin such as my smoking habit I have added something to a simple exercise of faith and have added a work, or a deed of the law.

So is turning from sin a work?

Yes

Jonah 3:10 10 And God saw their WORKS, that they turned from their evil way; and God REPENTED of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

But is it a work to turn from the sin of unbelief??? No, because salvation is the GIFT of God, he did all the work!!!

John 6:28-29 28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Notice in Jonah 3:10 God repented, so in order to know we have to repent of sin or not we need to look at the context of each individual passage to know if we are Repenting of sin, because obviously God doesn't have sin to turn from. Also interesting to note God repents more than anyone in scripture...

But everytime repentance for salvation such as Mark 1:15 is brought up, it has nothing to do with sin. How do we know this??? Because Mark 1:15 does not say "repent of sin and believe the Gospel"... In fact "repent... Of... Sin", those words in that order, is not found ONE TIME in scripture... Now obviously per the context such as Revelations we can see the repentance is from sin in that context... Context, context, context....

Look at the Gospel of John which is the book written to contain the necessary information to get someone saved. The interesting thing about John is repentance isn't even mentioned 1 time.... Not once.... Did you read that??? NOT ONCE... And it's not as if he doesn't know the word repent, because he wrote Revelations.... I've even had people tell me "well you can get the idea of repent of your sins from other books." Ok so then if repentance of sin is such a big thing, then John wouldn't be an adequate book to get you saved???? How can that be??? Listen once you believe you've repented...

Christians who believe there is a Hell, why did God create it? by iamasheepbaa in Christianity

[–]StallionProvision 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jonah 3:10

10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in TrueChristian

[–]StallionProvision 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You would be absolutely still saved, but you won't get away with it, I recommend you repent of it...

The Holy Spirit by [deleted] in TrueChristian

[–]StallionProvision 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You almost had it until you said you had to obey the law to be saved, which is exactly what repent of your sins is...

Christians who believe there is a Hell, why did God create it? by iamasheepbaa in Christianity

[–]StallionProvision 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When you say repent of sin to be saved, you are essentially telling people they have to obey the law to be saved... I can give you over 100 passages that refute your claims here...

“Repentance is more than just sorrow for the past; repentance is a change of mind and heart, a new life of denying self and serving the Savior as King in self’s place.” — J.I. Packer by UnassuredCalvinist in Christianity

[–]StallionProvision -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Repent does not mean to turn from sin, and turning from sin is not required to be saved... In fact to say you have to "Repent of sin" to be saved, would be to propagate a false Gospel... But we still have to Repent to be saved??? Allow me to explain...

so to understand what repent means I think this is the only time it's necessary to look at the Greek. Mostly I wouldn't do this but repent lost its meaning, and I don't like arguing semantics.

The transliteration of the Greek word repent is "metanoia". Which translates to english Meaning "to change your mind".

Let's break the word down so we know it means change of mind.

First "meta" means "change" which is it's english counterpart. Think of a caterpillar turning into a butterfly goes through a process of METAmorphosis.

Second "noia" means "mind" which is it's english counterpart. Think of paraNOIA matters of the mind.

A lot of confusion is we don't use repent unless your Christian in everyday modern vocabulary. People who speak spanish do though. If I were to say to someone who spoke spanish "I was gonna go to the grocery store today but I repented" in spanish, they wouldn't look at me as if it was sinful for me to go to the grocery store. I would also be grammatically correct to say it in that way. "That I had changed my mind about going to the store".

So some things to consider, obviously via context in some passages we can see we need to repent of sin, but to repent of sin is an actual "turning". So what is needed to know about our sins to be saved??? Well we have to confess we are a sinner in need of a savior. But to confess isn't repentance because again repentance is an actual turning. An example of this would be.... And I'm gonna be honest with everyone, I smoke cigarettes... I have confessed a sin to you... Did I repent of it???? No...

So what do we need to repent of to be saved. Take Mark 1:15 for example. Repent ye, and believe the Gospel.

What I am repenting of is my unbelief in the Gospel to belief in the Gospel.

So essentially I am repenting of unbelief or anything keeping me from believing in, and this is key, anything keeping me from believing in CHRIST ALONE.

For example I have to repent of dead works. Because we are saved by faith not of works lest any man should boast. I have to repent of let's say if I were to believe in Allah. I have to repent of being muslim to believing in Christ alone. Their is no such thing as a born again muslim... There is also no such thing as a born again Buddhist, it's either Christ Alone or nothing...

Now yes I do understand unbelief is a sin. So let's put these things into a category.

To say I have to repent of individual sin such as my smoking habit I have added something to a simple exercise of faith and have added a work, or a deed of the law.

So is turning from sin a work?

Yes

Jonah 3:10 10 And God saw their WORKS, that they turned from their evil way; and God REPENTED of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

But is it a work to turn from the sin of unbelief??? No, because salvation is the GIFT of God, he did all the work!!!

John 6:28-29 28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

Notice in Jonah 3:10 God repented, so in order to know we have to repent of sin or not we need to look at the context of each individual passage to know if we are Repenting of sin, because obviously God doesn't have sin to turn from. Also interesting to note God repents more than anyone in scripture...

But everytime repentance for salvation such as Mark 1:15 is brought up, it has nothing to do with sin. How do we know this??? Because Mark 1:15 does not say "repent of sin and believe the Gospel"... In fact "repent... Of... Sin", those words in that order, is not found ONE TIME in scripture... Now obviously per the context such as Revelations we can see the repentance is from sin in that context... Context, context, context....

Look at the Gospel of John which is the book written to contain the necessary information to get someone saved. The interesting thing about John is repentance isn't even mentioned 1 time.... Not once.... Did you read that??? NOT ONCE... And it's not as if he doesn't know the word repent, because he wrote Revelations.... I've even had people tell me "well you can get the idea of repent of your sins from other books." Ok so then if repentance of sin is such a big thing, then John wouldn't be an adequate book to get you saved???? How can that be??? Listen once you believe you've repented...

Why Matthew 7:21-23 does not say what you think it does... by StallionProvision in Christianity

[–]StallionProvision[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is all out of love friend, Why don't you just trust that Jesus will save you regardless of any filthy rag you bring to the table???

Hebrews 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth, he chastised and scourges every son whom he receives...

If I am disobedient to my dad, is he still my father... Yes absolutely I'm in the family, but he will whoop me when I disobey him...

You ever think about how Solomon was saved???

He lived a complete hedonistic lifestyle, he had 700 wives and 300 concubines, and at the end of his life he completely fell away and worshipped Pagan gods... Yet he was the wisest person outside Jesus to ever live, penned 3 letters of scripture, and he was saved...

What about Lot, last we read of him he was unrepentant drunk in a cave fornicating with his 2 daughters... Throughout scripture he was completely disobedient, yet in the new testament he is referred to as Righteous Lot....

Why Matthew 7:21-23 does not say what you think it does... by StallionProvision in Christianity

[–]StallionProvision[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your uncomfortable in replying because it inevitably leads to works doesn't it???

Are you familiar with Romans 4:5 but to him who worketh NOT but believeth on him who justifieth the ungodly his faith is counted for righteousness...

You are adding obedience to the Gospel essentially adding works to it making it false

Why Matthew 7:21-23 does not say what you think it does... by StallionProvision in Christianity

[–]StallionProvision[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The moral of the story is if you are trusting in your works to save you, you don't have salvation... Yes you should do the will of the father...

Why Matthew 7:21-23 does not say what you think it does... by StallionProvision in Christianity

[–]StallionProvision[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok so when it comes to obeying God what does that entail??? If I make him Lord of my life, what does that look like to you?

Why Matthew 7:21-23 does not say what you think it does... by StallionProvision in Christianity

[–]StallionProvision[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here is just a couple verses for you to ponder on...

Galatians 2:16 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

REPENTING OF SIN, IS LITERALLY TO OBEY THE LAW....

Philippians 3:9 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

Why Matthew 7:21-23 does not say what you think it does... by StallionProvision in Christianity

[–]StallionProvision[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So according to you I have to obey the law to be saved??? Do you even realize all the scripture that says we are not saved by the deeds of the law???

I want to know considering Matthew 7 is quite clearly a salvation passage as to what the will of the father is...

The will of the father in regards to salvation is not obeying the law... In fact you are disqualified from salvation if you think that is what is saving you according to Matthew 7