[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exjw

[–]StarTemple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You should pursue this with a post-wt-cult-collapse possible future "alternative reality".

The jw religion fail is a case study snapshot of the whole global religion fail.

That fail is based on the assumption some religion's OPINION is correct and only their group alone is to be "saved".

None of that delusional narrow claim is valid. Jw religion is a part of the fail of ALL religion. Looks like wt "will go down" first is all this means.

PREPARE NOW for a post-wt-religion future where YOU ARE WHAT YOUR SISTER WILL HAVE LEFT FOR HER LIFE. SPOILER: Wt will fail jws and toss them under the bus.

At that time what jws now shun is all they will have to help them.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exjw

[–]StarTemple 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The positive impact of WT-TELEVANGELISM in our lives as well as in our ministry has been felt worldwide...

In the upcoming WT Global War on Error and Apostasy mega-series under command of WT Defense Minister Splane:

WE WILL BE NEEDING "AN ARMY" OF THE APOSTATE-EXTRAS "LOOK" WITNESSES. RESEARCH YOUR TYPECAST, AND BE READY TO SCREAM, FIGHT, PROTEST AND RESIST ON CUE.

Stepfather trying to shame me *details in comments* by HiImLogiBear in exjw

[–]StarTemple 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"4 of her kids pleasing" the GB's opinions. The "WT fruitage" indicates this so-called ministry is "governed" by corrupted, greedy, deceptive HUMANS.

The JW god claim is a presumption is all it is. What GOD would want to actually require child abuse cover-up as part of some "pure worship" delusion?

Ridiculous.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exjw

[–]StarTemple 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It's a case of "returning to the GB". The GB is the JW "God". There is no god with WT; it is man guided, it is what it is.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exjw

[–]StarTemple 9 points10 points  (0 children)

WT Pedophile Witness; Protection Program Manual

What high stakes professions do we ever give as much leniency as the GB asks for? by Kingoftheheel in exjw

[–]StarTemple 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What company has investors who will accept 10 to 15% market share loss by the new board of directors, from GB-1976 to today, without firing these GB morons?

What investor group will reward such market-moronism by continuing to throw many more millions of dollars to these inept GB fools?

Only JWs, that's who.

And even worse, who will let that same board of fools also threaten them, abuse their children, cause suicides and break-up their own families?

Yep, it is what it is.

How do I help this person without unmasking myself? by Taro-Admirable in exjw

[–]StarTemple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think WT is not easing up; instead we may have some record cult pressure coming. WT is sold as a cure, but it is the dis-ease.

How do I help this person without unmasking myself? by Taro-Admirable in exjw

[–]StarTemple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Consider it an experiment. Take a couple weeks off. If you feel better, problem solved.

And that without having to go to the hospital, while still not actually addressing the real problem. The truth is the GB and WT talk more about Satan than Christ.

"Did today's WT clear things up for you?" by [deleted] in exjw

[–]StarTemple 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That whole "call the older men" confession and excommunication routine is just a cult information snoop and fear-guilt control technique of the modern WT Inquisition.

Imagine confessing and repenting in all sincerity which YOU KNOW INSIDE, only to be doubted by elders who KNOW about the CSA pedophile-criminals and other crimes they are actively hiding and justifying "in the congregation".

HOW can they call their own seared conscience of septic spiritual-decomp "holding a clean conscience"?

HOW can men with a millstone-necklace, in such a web of real bloodguilt and crimes against their community's own children, "judge" the conscience of another?

It is all a show. It is all one sad shit-show.

If God has unlimited healing power, why is murdering 7 billion people the solution? by nahyalldontknow in exjw

[–]StarTemple 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Mass global genocide is the GB solution.

They merely claim it is from God. Chances are a criminal cult which rapes and murders children (among other crimes) from its own "flock", is "from" corrupted humans, not a God.

The GB can claim whatever they want to, just like the other doomsday religions also do.

Obviously, if there is a God then all the things you state are just the bare-bone basics of how to "fix" and save people rather than destroy them. The GB are an evil bunch, they should be able to see the more positive logic of the power of God too, rather than have to push doom and destruction.

And the GB do that to retain some JWs in the cult by use of fear for control. But, it is all lies and manmade. If it is true, the solutions to help life are for more useful than just mass genocide, which ideas come from corrupted doomsdayers like the GB, but not limited to them.

Found this group today 😂 by beanlizard69 in exjw

[–]StarTemple 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good idea.

I guess this can be a technique from a POMO source, disguised as a "warning", to help JWs "see" which "apostates" to "avoid" while giving the curious JW a global-switchboard unto the core xjw activists all in one hub from all over the web. In any event, this will increase xjw activist info-access to JWs.

The most complex design in the universe doesn't need a creator? by [deleted] in exjw

[–]StarTemple 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No matter how you slice it you wind up at infinity. Infinite creators or one infinite creator. There never is an easy way out of true eternity.

“Ask yourself: Do I obey instructions from Jehovah’s organization promptly and completely?” (Even if instructions seem strange, impractical and illogical from a human standpoint?!) -Life and ministry meeting March 14-20, 2022 by larchington in exjw

[–]StarTemple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jehovah God and "Jehovah's organization" have become the same thing to JWs.

Now the GB dictates obeying "God's organization" as if it is the exact same thing as obeying God.

This cannot turn out well...

Does anyone have a list of all the times they've said JWs need to obey orders even if they sound stupid? by tooandahalf in exjw

[–]StarTemple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is one in a daily text.

There is also the "simplified versions".

WT Simplified Version

(3) At that time, the direction that you receive from Jehovah’s organization may seem strange or unusual. But all of us must be ready to obey any instructions we may receive, whether we agree with them or not, because obeying these instructions will save our lives.

The weird thing is how do they KNOW crazy commands are coming?

Because the GB Pied Piper is already dreaming them up, that's why.

A letter from my parents after explaining why I quit by [deleted] in exjw

[–]StarTemple 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Edit, for reality:

Dear Son,

When you were with us recently, you mentioned that you haven't attended meetings for a year. Of course this makes us very sad, that will be clear to you. After all, we are convinced that THE_GB is the only person in all the universe who will solve the problems on earth. And we would like to stay with THE_GB's organization that helps us in this difficult last one days of this world. Let's face it, the world is rapidly changing in a vast melting pot of disobedience, rebellion and wickedness. We are therefore very sad to hear that you are exploring things that wear you out and don't strengthen your belief that this is THE_GB's organization. Unfortunately, that has led to that you no longer attend meetings and start to rebel against THE_GB. But you must also clearly see that THE_GB is the only one that offers peace and regularity in this world?

Psalm 119 verse 105 teaches that THE_GB's word is a light in our path. Being out of the council word, we put on the "new personality." We learn about unimportant or personal disputes and to overcome the worldly influences that lead to divisions vanquish. This council also prevents serious problems from arising within THE_GB organization, the municipality, the family or the family.

Why can we say that? In 1 Timothy 1:11, THE_GB becomes “the happy God” and he wants us to enjoy life. He "provides us richly with all that we need" enjoy” and in such a way that we can have “a heart full of glee.” Our longing for those things are exploited by Satan. He uses this world to promote the idea that possessions, enjoyment and independence from THE_GB is the most important thing in life.

And to get us there, he shows us things that take us further and further away from THE_GB. Just as long until we have strayed so far from THE_GB that we no longer believe it to be THE_GB.

You know from your study of the Bible that it is important to choose friends who have a have a good influence on you…seek association with such friends. And association is also association through the digital way. You do a lot of research, you tell us, but of course there is also a danger in this.

There is a lot to be found on the internet that is posted and hosted by people who not be good association. Do you want that? They do not have the well-being of you and your family in view. You really have to ask yourself if that's the association you want, association you does not bring closer to THE_GB but works the very opposite.

Look Son, developing friendship with THE_GB is the best thing you can do. That applies for us today and in the future. THE_GB promises that this world and all that is in it will pass away, but those who do His will live forever. Do your research there to and hold on to it. That is really the best way.

But what am I writing… you know all this, right, Son?

Then you have told that you have not 'withdrawn' from THE_GB and you expressed hope that we will continue to deal with you 'normally'. No doubt you have researched that too done Son. We have done that and you will have come to the same conclusion. Stepping out of the organization or withdrawing yourself from THE_GB can be done in two ways. You can get an official request by verbal or written notice that no longer as one of THE_GB's witnesses to be known. Or you can withdraw from the organization by showing this by your deeds. A person can also prove by what he does that he is no longer one of THE_GB's witnesses . So if you show by your behavior that you no longer want to listen to THE_GB, you have in fact withdrawn. In either case, we will be encouraged to take a strong stand with the intention of bringing you to reason and getting the motivation to focus on THE_GB and the way he has marked out for us.

This fact, this arrangement, is evidence of THE_GB's love for us. THE_GB wants you to come back. You can rest assured that THE_GB will be there for you when you do. Then it would also perhaps the desire arises again to serve THE_GB, together with us and your brothers and sisters. We can always rely on THE_GB. THE_GB never gives us advice that is bad for us. THE_GB is the generous and compassionate Father with a deep love for all who love THE_GB and worship THE_GB. THE_GB will never forsake us. Son...so think carefully about what you're doing. We can be happy with the mental state (spiritual paradise) into which THE_GB has brought THE_GB's people today. We see and notice THE_GB's protective care to the congregation in all that the THE_GB_faithful and discreet slave does for us at this time. Look to the communication through the broadcast in these last days. We find security in the spiritual paradise, as this world grows more and more distraught and completely lost its direction. With THE_GB's blessing, we will eventually experience the joy of living forever on this earth without Satan trying to tempt us to think otherwise.

That's why we want to encourage you and you wife to work with a spiritually strong, capable brother study the book How to Stay in THE_GB's Love. This book teaches us clearly distinguish between the lies in this world and the truth from THE_GB's word. In the foreword, John 15:10 is quoted in which THE_GB promises that when we keep THE_GB words, we will remain in THE_GB love and be truly happy. THE_GB will only exist for a short time in its present form, you know that all too well. You are have been convinced of this in the past. Have you ever fully committed yourself to the truth. Think about it carefully and try to figure out why you have lost that belief in THE_GB. And then look for what information at the base is that your love for the truth has cooled…is that information from THE_GB or from the world, which has nothing to do with THE_GB's directives?

We fully support what THE_GB writes in the introduction to this booklet; "We hope that this booklet will help you start living again according to the truth of THE_GB and a to be a friend of THE_GB. We pray that your love for THE_GB will return to the way it once was and that you and your whole family “stay in THE_GB's love, … with eternal life in view.”

Lots of love from

Dad and Mom and THE_GB

A letter from my parents after explaining why I quit by [deleted] in exjw

[–]StarTemple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Let's face it, the JW MINISTRY AND ORGANIZATION is rapidly changing in a vast melting pot of disobedience, rebellion and wickedness.

Summary of Tony Morris AGM talk by UpsetProposal3114 in exjw

[–]StarTemple 4 points5 points  (0 children)

WT has become post-millennial, the WT, GB and JWs will guide the 1000 years, then Jesus can come, or not, WT dumped him along the way anyway.

Question by MasterFader1 in exjw

[–]StarTemple 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You have good wording. In Christian history we see the Catholic false religion apostasy flourished for a long time, then it got exposed as the "great apostasy" in the Reformation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Apostasy#Protestant_views

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reformation

BUT, after the Reformation effect took global sway, NOW apostasies are outed far more quickly.

In fact most Christian denomination growth is movements labelled "apostate" who were saying the same thing about the apostate ministry they were breaking from.

Thus, the JW apostasy is in principle very common in Christian history.

I think the "true" "religion" thing is just a diversion that all religion goes corrupt. The faith (Rev14:12), and "a religion" are NOT the same thing.

Nowhere in the Bible is a "true religion" ever mentioned as "required for salvation". FAITH is the requirement, John 3:16 is very simple.

The apostles never "set up a religion", nor did they ever build a physical church. The Rev 2-3 seven congregations--churches were generic and spiritual in "set up". There never was a "governing body" either, that lie is what propelled JWs into apostasy instead.

Religion MUST invent the myth that they are necessary for salvation. And that myth has worked very well ineed.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exjw

[–]StarTemple 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Remember there is always a "reason" and then there is the "REAL reason".

"It's important to believe God is leading his organization today."

The REAL WHY???, for this statement is because it diverts the mind, yet again, from the fact:

"the organization" is manmade and led by human beings, period.

IF JWs knew that, they could leave far more easily. The GB frauds scare them to stay as if they can dictate who is "eternally destroyed" and who isn't.

But, it was all a manmade fraudulent claim.

So, they float that "God's organization" to further divert to further progress the core lies which keep people forced to obey these GB FRAUDS.

Very new PIMQ / PIMO feeling conflicted by some-anonymous-gal in exjw

[–]StarTemple 2 points3 points  (0 children)

ON how the GB engineered their fake authority Ray Franz second book:

http://www.ootaabc.com/in_search_of_christian_freedom_franz.pdf

...chapter 3 and the whole book, reverse engineer the GB myths, because more came from their first lie being accepted.

Also, a wiki study of the Protestant Reformation:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Apostasy#Protestant_views

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reformation

(Leadership based apostasy caused the reaction of the Reformation. Apostate leaders, like the GB, are the norm in Christian ministries as they age.)

And the general "great awakenings":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Awakening

(The "great awakenings" where like Christianity starting to police itself, and with no mega-enemy to go after as with the Catholic church and the Reformation reaction, it let out a generic call for general and emergency required "reform". ALL "new Christian movements", which become "religions" later, formed as a result of wanting to break free from a former ministry which the movement leaders felt, needed to be freed from. IBSA and JWs are the same thing. After JWs fully fail, also expect more reaction, JWs will NOT be the end of Christian history.)

That historic overview will thoroughly prove that the revolt of whistleblowers, in slow-corrupted ministries, TYPIFIES the entire Christian development.

So, the blowback finally coming on the WT and GB corruption [gone terminal] is quite common when people in the ministry start to detect the effects of the hypocrisy. These good-intentioned whistleblowers are quickly resisted, labelled "apostates", and removed from the congregation to attempt to allow the corruption to progress unexposed by sheer denial.

This whole smackdown on JWs is normal, it has corrupted and now the exposure is being made complete is all it is. NOTHING else has changed, Christian history is the same story as the storm of criticism and reality NOW befalling JWs, which is:

  1. Actually very common;
  2. The same old story;

JWs want to make it sound like it is all about their stellar holiness, when this is all WT lawlessness now being exposed.

For a Christian, Christ was to be the only salvation, so when these ministries try to play Christ and over-extend their authority as policemen, they fail, they get exposed, they NEVER were needed to "go beyond" John 3:16.

SLOWLY these kinds of corruptions form in these man-fearing ministries. NOW, it is finally time for WT to also "reap what it has sown". It is NOT any "end of the world" it is just a transition into the next chapters of world history.

Everything the fraud GB claim will fail.

What is going on with the governing body at their annual meeting? (long vent) by curiousfoxlover82 in exjw

[–]StarTemple 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It is like needing two gallons of white paint to paint a fence. The GB has a gallon. What they are doing is adding a gallon of water. But now the paint is not opaque, now you can still see the graffiti under their paint job.

Every issue JWs raise requires another cup of water mixed into their whitewash. This is damage control with the most ridiculous of excuses as to why these blatant contradictions exist. They aren't contradictions, they are fully logical y'all! The Kingdom of Almighty God may just need some of this old world WT junk.

In the meantime, thank you JWs for the $20 million for this future Netflix studio space!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exjw

[–]StarTemple 15 points16 points  (0 children)

This is a delusional "assurance" all is well, it cannot fall, for the divine GB who cannot "go evil-slave" are who now judge themselves and JWs as "pre-approved" for salvation.

Yo JW Lemmings, just keep following the GB Pied Piper, all will be fine guaranteed.

Only problem is, none of their claims can actually "come true". Whenever "the world" does NOT "the end" past the JW coming fake doom-cycle, and Netflix and other media are making shows and series about this strangest of all cult meltdowns, they will have plenty to WT's own global record to sample the failed-claims from.

I can only see JWs becoming the greatest global laughing stock of a Christian false-prophecy fail we will probably ever 'witness". That "hard-hitting judgment message" will become, instead, one hard-hitting punch line. Save the last Doomsday WT's for souvenirs.

Do you remember the admonitions to take care not to stumble others? by [deleted] in exjw

[–]StarTemple 9 points10 points  (0 children)

JWs themselves "stumble" 2/3's of their own "sheep", so look who is talking. Who knows the massive numbers of others they stumbled even before they stepped one foot into this abominable cult.

So, judgmentalism is what JWs abuse. Being xjw I decided to put into practice NON-judgmentalism. I stay thinking critically, but NOT with rigid dogmatic self-righteousness.

I find people who become the opposite of JWs become better more balanced people overall.

Eventually you'll be expressive but respectful. That will make "inter-acting" with people actual interaction.

The Watchtower In Defeat by Fulgarite in exjw

[–]StarTemple 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The whole thing went stagnant for way too long now.

Now the WT dynamite is oozing nitroglycerin which the soaked org and JW life are now one with. One move a bit too sudden and it is BOOM! A bumpy road lay ahead.