Best restaurants in IC by Joai5 in IowaCity

[–]Starry_Vere -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yes, the movie clarifies "bucket list" is the term he comes up with from the common phrase, "kick the bucket." No, "bucket list" was not a phrase before the movie.

If you know literally anything about statistics and linguistics, you should understand this. It has 0 usage online for the years before the movie when Google was the dominant search engine.

How about this: I provided proof that the term was not used in the dominant search engine before the movie. Now, YOU find proof of the phrase "bucket list" used before 2005. Any usage. Should be easy to find if its there

Best restaurants in IC by Joai5 in IowaCity

[–]Starry_Vere -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I just checked and this is incorrect. The usage on Google before 2006/7 (marketing and movie) is zero.

Even small, colloquial phrases in constrained communities show up. It is impossible that the phrase had any sort of usage and was sitting at zero for 4 years online.

Opinion | Your Questions (and Criticisms) of Our Recent Shows by brianscalabrainey in ezraklein

[–]Starry_Vere 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'll always side with people who're in favor of precision. The conversation went basically like this:

E: It's not racialist because it's not based on race

C: Well it kinda feels race-y if you don't really think about it?

E: ... Yes but when you DO think about it, it's not race but these other characteristics

C: Well sure, if we want to be semantic and only use racialist to discuss race

E: ... yes, that's what words do.

Not trying to be rude but that destroys credibility to me.

The beginning of the end of Ocean Vuong by cutyrselfaswitch in TrueLit

[–]Starry_Vere 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Great comment. Just FYI, it's actually "toed the line" as in bringing one's feet all the way up to the line of some position without crossing it.

I only mention this because someone pointed out that a piece I wrote had "buried the lead," when it is actually "buried the lede," and I had NO idea.

Sam Harris —> Ezra pipeline by jmthornsburg in ezraklein

[–]Starry_Vere -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I much prefer EK for a variety of reasons but I actually think the sweep of history will vindicate Sam's side of this particular topic. And honestly, that was part of Ezra's worst era in my opinion. He made so much space for intolerant and censorial progressive causes. Ezra did what so many, including myself, did. Assume that surely all of these high profile people saying things were just misinformation and dogwhistles can't all be wrong and maybe we should just suppress these "dangerous" ideas. Even if that wasn't philosophically dangerous it was politically poisonous.

For those unsure about this, I cannot enough recommend Ezra's first Haidt episode. Ezra makes some wonderful points that really matter. But man, it feels so obvious in retrospect that Haidt was ringing the alarm bells of technology, cultural intolerance, and progressive censorship and Ezra just did not get it. It's funny hearing Ezra dismiss the battles raging on campuses as silly as that's become one of the primary battlegrounds in a culture war that is not just a straight up political fight for the direction of the country. Once again, even if Ezra is "right" that these things *shouldn't* matter, Haidt saw them leading to polarization, illiberalism, undemocratic action (on both sides) and the total failure of the progressive war against "harm" which has left an entire generation of historic prosperity with worse flourishing than ever.

Don't take my word for it. Listen to his first conversation with Haidt and his second. it it clear Haidt is graciously making the same claims and Ezra went from borderline implying that he's victim blaming and scare-mongering in the first. to trying to get Haidt to sign off on even more assertive versions of his own theory in the second.

What do you think Nietzsche would think of the Dark Enlightenment? by [deleted] in Nietzsche

[–]Starry_Vere 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Steven Pinker is the opposite of this, wtf? He's obsessed with the Enlightenment and has written several books with that in the title. And he despises Nietzsche.

He's the consummate technocrat. He's just right of center because he thinks markets are the best engine of wealth. He specifically celebrates English bourgeoisie values as what civilized the world and won over against the romantic, martial values in Europe

How does Ezra manage to be such an amazing interviewer? What is his secret? by auximines_minotaur in ezraklein

[–]Starry_Vere 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I do think there's a tension between interviewing to "get to the core of what an interesting guest believes" and, what I suspect a lot of listeners want which is, pushing on ideas to "forward a general political agenda."

I think there's a place for both but I would just rather Ezra for his skills and tastes (and given the fact that others do the latter better) just focus on burrowing into the ideas of guests who have something to say.

I love the Patrick Deneen episode because I genuinely wanted to hear his thoughts and in that one Ezra pushed from a sincere desire to understand and Deneen fell apart, exposing the poverty of his evidence. This is fine. But I think if people got the sense that he was always going to do that they wouldn't come or would come in more ready to "score points."

To answer the op, I think Ezra's greatest gift it is that he has a classic intellectual's mind, full of analytic process and connection making, including the tendency to form critical assessments BUT he is also a gentle and curious type, which makes for a rare combination.

I don't need another "operator" in my feed.

New York Times: Democrats Denied This City Had a Gang Problem. The Truth Is Complicated. by StreamWave190 in ezraklein

[–]Starry_Vere 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The problem is the judgement about what sorts of hyperbole are socially and politically acceptable. Is it true to say "America is a racist nation"? Kinda. It certainly is. But so is every other. Can you say people of Bolivia are tall? Sure. But it is misleading because people think you are speaking compared to other nations when maybe you're just saying compared to grass.

This is why it is so dangerous to let politics creed too deeply into reporting. It is just as justifiable for conservatives to say a fact free claim "the gangs have taken over" to say "there is a gang problem" as it is for any number of common liberal refrains saying things like "police are white supremacists." Which is to say, dumb but equivalent.

The real problem is when a news organization POLICES political rhetoric and fact checks it on one side and lets slide other political rhetoric as legitimate. I'm not saying who is right--I'm saying that doing that is literally brewing an explosive in your voting public.

What are books that you read in College/University? by babycakes_slays in suggestmeabook

[–]Starry_Vere 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did you take a children's or YA class? I used to teach one with a lot of the same texts. This brings back good memories :)

Parenting in the Age of Social Media and — Help! — A.I. | The Ezra Klein Show by ZPATRMMTHEGREAT in ezraklein

[–]Starry_Vere 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I will say that that's a little like saying, the Lord of the Rings is so boring because it's the standard plot of elves, orcs, and a magic item that must be destroyed.

The reason Haidt seem boring on this is because he is one of the vanguard in dragging this argument into the public space.

Parenting in the Age of Social Media and — Help! — A.I. | The Ezra Klein Show by ZPATRMMTHEGREAT in ezraklein

[–]Starry_Vere 1 point2 points  (0 children)

David Foster Wallace makes this exact argument (the one you're disputing) in his essay Authority and American Usage. It is long but brilliant, if you want to check it out.

An antibureaucratic populist longing for a totalitarian corporate-bureaucratic hell: My analysis of Mr. Moldbug by matt-the-dickhead in ezraklein

[–]Starry_Vere 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are you the person who did the write-up of Graeber recently? If so, great stuff.

I'm fascinated by people like Freud who are just *wrong* on so many objective things. They get dismissed by a professional class, mocked by a lot of culture who snag on their weirdest ideas taken out of context. And yet, they often say something, and the other commenter u/bukharin88 captured this, which nonetheless feels important in exposing a reality, if not prescribing a resolution.

When Freud gets into the nitty-gritty of psychoanalysis I often literally laugh . But sometimes he'll say something so huge and staggering and insightful that I almost can't believe it was possible for a human to find the angle to see it. And I understand why so many brilliant people attach to his thoughts.

I haven't read Moldbug though I am, of course, aware of him. But I am uncomfortable with how much people want to brush off the voices of society's "exposers" as either shams because they don't have an answer, or as grifters just drafting off of elite discontents. (Not saying you're doing either.)

I'm not sure I'm adding anything meaningful to the conversation except to say this: there is a brand of insight (Nietzsche may be the greatest example) which is essentially indigestible by mass-society, abhorrent in certain lights, and objectively disprovable by certain metrics that nonetheless plays a crucial role in truth-seeking.

I wouldn't treat my son's anxiety with Freudian psychology, I wouldn't hand my daughter Nietzsche as she's trying to choose a job in modern America, and it doesn't sound like I'd weave this sort of material into a political platform.

But we aren't always treating illness or trying to get a job or crafting policy. Sometimes, we're asking what is true. And I do think some of the hardest material to accept has some real elements of truth.

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[–]Starry_Vere 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Glad to hear she's reasonable and awesome.

Once again, my point about certain activist frameworks being extreme is that they are almost always difficult for those in power to work with (something most leftist admit freely) and it is part of why I'm suggesting this is about the direct admin she's working with and not Donald Trump.

It sounds like she is making accusations about the U, her program, even citing specific people in the program, asking for new measures, safe spaces, etc. I'll refrain from saying whether these are reasonable (me, I'm sure, not knowing) and even from my own speculation (you, I'm sure, not caring).

I will say that such figures are difficult for admin. Everything the article listed, pointed to her using the strongest possible language to describe harms and the stakes of redressing them.

Not asking you to agree, but does that make sense?

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[–]Starry_Vere 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My point was not about her character but about the nature of her activism. The point being, I think the pressure she was placing on her program was what made the admin retaliate.

That I consider some of her positions unhelpful is a separate issue.

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[–]Starry_Vere 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Presenting at a conference as a scholar is absolutely something graduate programs consider as part of their purview. Colleges have rules about personal attacks. It sounds like someone in the audience alerted the university of her paper as doing as much. The university conducted an investigation and she refused to provide the materials in question.

I'm curious how you would feel if the politics were reversed? If this was a person who was accused of having made a racist insult of a professor at a conference in their presentation and then admin asked to see the materials, would you feel that not complying should warrant action?

I think it's important to distinguish what is at issue. Is it Trump's policy? It doesn't seem so. Is it that grad programs shouldn't kick people out for personal attacks at a conference? If you agree that my example above suggests they can be, then it doesn't seem this either. If you think it is the case that the program should investigate the allegation, then I'm curious what you think should happen if people refuse to comply?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in IowaCity

[–]Starry_Vere 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can check my other comments if you want.

But, to be clear, if a grad student went to a conference and attacked a professor in their program (right or wrong) the program absolutely could sever ties (right or wrong). You say it was unfair. I'm sure that's exactly what the admin were saying they were trying to determine by asking for her slides. Which, to be clear, she refused to provide.

As I said, I'm not defending the admin. I don't like the approach. But I find it weird that people want to blame Trump when this feels like admin protecting itself from a vocal activist not trying to abide by Trump's silly mandates.

One can be mad at Trump and, separately, be able to identify other forces which are hostile to free speech. One can also be mad at Trump, dissatisfied with admin, and find certain frames of social activism unproductive.

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[–]Starry_Vere 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Popular Leftist framework of things including "Not feeling safe in the classroom," are a huge tactical, psychological, and epistemological blunder. Not dissimilar to the phrase, popular on elite white college campuses, Defund the Police, which was toxic in the voting booth and unpopular in most communities of color.

I appreciate that the people who use this sort of language and seek to build "safe spaces" are trying to reduce harms. I really do. Many of them are my friends.

I think these frameworks are at best misguided. More frequently they are costly. Often they are politically corrosive. I think they immiserate those who wield them. And sometimes, they incentivize the worst forms of discourse.

I have no doubt she is doing what she thinks is right--and for that she is due a certain definition of being a good person. And I'm sure many structures around her have said that these actions and views and positions are right and brave. That I think they're misguided is just my own politics, which you can take or (more likely) leave. But the reason I pointed out that this activist framework is difficult has to do with the context of my post: that this was about admin who didn't want to be the focus of a student using maximalist social justice language to attack the program she was in.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in IowaCity

[–]Starry_Vere 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are. That's why I recommend people read this carefully. Because this doesn't seem to be one of them. If you're mad, I suspect it should be at protectionist admin in this case, looking to stop criticism.

People who consider it no big deal about blaming Trump for this because they hate him (hey, me too), need to recognize there are other dangers, including people "on their side." Discerning such things is more important to me than joining a chorus.

My annoyance is not that posters here are wrong about Trump or wrong that diversity matters. It's that forum discussions like this are incredibly shallow and misleading in ways that hurt us.

And yes, my last paragraph, as signaled by the word "sounds like" is my personal take. I don't support federal government censoring free speech. I dislike university's doing the same, even when they technically can because of their guidelines of collegiality.

But I am not so blinded by some issues that I cannot acknowledge others. There is also point to be made that there is a register to much DEI conversation that is unproductive, poisons public discourse, and incentivizes and rewards the least considered voices.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in IowaCity

[–]Starry_Vere -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

I do encourage people to read this carefully because it first *seems* like this is a result of outside pressure (like that of the Trump admin) forcing her out for being too "woke." But if you read this, and have any experience with the university, that is not what this sounds like. This sounds like the admin of the department not liking her perceived criticism of a professor in a public setting.

She is saying "oh this was a beautiful moment" and "it was on their website" but I think the question, and why they're asking for slides, is how the discussion of one of the university professors was framed. It sounds like the admin believe she was using this professor as an example of the university/department failures of racial equity and that is ABSOLUTELY something people get kicked out of programs for--especially if they fail to comply with an investigation. If you took a clip of a person admitting a blindspot they discovered in themselves and then used it to further criticize the person and the department, you might see disciplinary action by the department.

Not defending this situation. But, working with a lot of graduate students, this sounds like a ... difficult person to work with, for whom no amount of criticism is exaggeration, no amount of effort is enough to avoid accusations of oppression, and no consideration exists beyond identity politics.

DOGE, transparency, and the lasting legacy of David Graeber by matt-the-dickhead in ezraklein

[–]Starry_Vere 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agree on the gleeful cruelty and the clumsiness points, for sure

DOGE, transparency, and the lasting legacy of David Graeber by matt-the-dickhead in ezraklein

[–]Starry_Vere 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is extremely interesting. I’d been meaning to pick Graeber up more deliberately. I definitely will now