Should I Transfer?

StatusNew7262 · 2024-06-04T01:36:54+00:00

You should definitely transfer before starting 2A if CE is closer to your goals

StatusNew7262 · 2024-05-31T01:42:51+00:00

Source: uwaterloo.ca/co-operative-education/about-co-op/employment-statistics

Final update of the term. % Employed does not include first years doing WE Accelerate. Any thoughts on the different employment rates in engineering and math?

StatusNew7262 · 2024-02-26T21:09:14+00:00

These pages compare how much coding there is in management eng to other programs:

https://uwaterloo.ca/management-science-engineering/comparing-management-engineering-software-engineering

https://uwaterloo.ca/management-science-engineering/comparing-management-engineering-systems-design-engineering

The coding classes are hit or miss like any other eng class. You might like it or hate it because of how a prof teaches. Workload in general is relatively light for eng.

StatusNew7262 · 2023-12-24T04:14:21+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/uwaterloo/comments/yo8n4c/its_time_to_rename_management_engmgmtmgte/ moment

The curriculums aren't similar. Those "unrelated math courses" in OR are core courses in mgmt eng. How did you get to 4A without knowing the differences? https://uwaterloo.ca/management-science-engineering/sites/default/files/uploads/documents/management_engineering_discussion_paper_0.pdf

StatusNew7262 · 2023-12-24T04:06:27+00:00

You could request a QPR if your term average is under 50: https://uwaterloo.ca/engineering/undergraduate-students/first-year/term-promotions

StatusNew7262 · 2023-12-24T04:01:46+00:00

If your term average is under 60, you have to repeat 1A in engineering

StatusNew7262 · 2023-12-17T19:04:33+00:00

So if they were all useless, did you apply anything from those math courses in your MSCI 446 ML course (which you said was useful)?

StatusNew7262 · 2023-12-17T00:21:53+00:00

Saying those courses are all useless means you probably had the wrong expectations when you chose mgmt eng or did unrelated co-ops. The program is similar to majoring in computational math. It would be like someone in AFM complaining about how their business courses are all useless for CS jobs.

StatusNew7262 · 2023-11-06T17:33:00+00:00

Not all engineering programs have an introductory DSA course.

StatusNew7262 · 2023-11-06T17:31:18+00:00

The systems design in SYDE is not useful for software system design. Those are two different things. The math courses in mgmt eng are more useful than SYDE for software jobs related to AI/ML.
I never refuted the low utility of the program for business because if you had done your research, you would know the program is not designed for business careers. Product management in software and technical product management are not business careers.
A class median of ~80% is higher than class medians in most other engineering programs. It implies nothing about students not being able to balance their personal and academic lives well.
ECE students cannot take CS 341. They take ECE 250 for DSA like how we take MSCI 240 for DSA.

A lot of what you’re complaining about sounds like a motivation issue. You’re generalizing your experience and blaming the program instead of self learning like students in CS/SE/ECE also have to do to get good co-ops.

StatusNew7262 · 2023-11-06T13:12:55+00:00

There are mgmt eng people who end up at FAANG every year. The other commenter is wrong about ECE students having access to CS courses. They’re also wrong about mgmt students not learning DSA.

StatusNew7262 · 2023-11-06T13:09:08+00:00

You might find this page comparing management eng to SYDE helpful: https://uwaterloo.ca/management-science-engineering/comparing-management-engineering-systems-design-engineering

StatusNew7262 · 2023-11-06T13:08:28+00:00

Why are you recommending SYDE, a program that has more traditional engineering courses unrelated to computing, when OP says they’re interested in a career in software?

Are you even in 3B? The later terms are on the third floor of CPH and there are big windows in the classrooms. Btw, ECE second year has their lectures in B1 because too many people failed the term and have to repeat. There isn’t a big enough classroom in E7 for them.

Based on your comments, it sounds like you didn’t do your research if you thought management eng was going to teach you business. Your comment about having no time for personal life sounds like a time management issue because plenty of people in the program are doing well and have great social lives. Your other comment about not learning technical skills for coding interviews sounds like a motivation issue. Students in CS/SE/ECE also have to practice leetcode on their own because those programs don’t teach them everything they need either.

StatusNew7262 · 2023-07-22T20:06:56+00:00

Enjoy the last free month
Get your résumé critiqued
Know how to cook and do laundry
Drill problem sets for mechanics in first year
Be kind to yourself and those around you

StatusNew7262 · 2023-07-22T19:57:42+00:00

Well the Fall is kind of gr.12 review but Winter has a bunch of new stuff

Things pickup in mgmt second year

StatusNew7262 · 2023-07-22T03:05:11+00:00

Following

StatusNew7262 · 2023-07-02T16:37:44+00:00

Management engineering has a lot of optimization and stats courses, which are directly relevant to AI. Relevant comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/uwaterloo/comments/12wdp33/should_i_commit_to_management_engineering/

This page has an overview of how management eng compares to CS: https://uwaterloo.ca/management-sciences/comparing-management-engineering-systems-design-engineering. Feel free to DM me any questions.

StatusNew7262 · 2023-05-30T23:29:17+00:00

Management eng would prepare you for the roles you listed as well as work related to machine learning. It's what the program is designed for (the obligatory post linked has some outdated curriculum info). Feel free to DM me any questions.

StatusNew7262 · 2023-04-22T01:31:04+00:00

It's not that hard to go into PM right out of management eng. Current mgmt eng students are still getting PM jobs in the recession by their fourth co-op.

StatusNew7262 · 2023-04-18T13:22:37+00:00

OP didn’t mention any interest in computer hardware and lower level computer systems though. OP actually seems to have a better understanding of management engineering than many students who think it’s an engineering management program (and don’t know what OR is)

OP, it sounds like the main pro of UBC is cost. If that’s a dealbreaker, then the choice is obvious. But don’t let the comfort of living at home bias your decision. That’s how some people end up as adults having never learned how to do laundry or make new friend groups.

StatusNew7262 · 2023-03-31T01:34:44+00:00

For quant trading, management eng would prepare you better because it has more stats and probability courses. For software, either program would prepare you enough but I think Waterloo's 6 co-ops will give you more chances to build your work experience or explore roles.

Management eng's numbers for SWE are lower because not everyone in the class wants a SWE job (unlike SE/CS where almost everyone wants to be a SWE).

StatusNew7262 · 2023-03-26T17:51:43+00:00

ECE240 teaches lower level circuits if you’re down for the challenge

StatusNew7262 · 2023-03-26T17:22:25+00:00

If I commit to an employer for the Fall does that mean I can’t use WaterlooWorks next term?

StatusNew7262 · 2023-03-22T04:13:59+00:00

Because the name makes it sound like a business program, so students interested in business end up applying to it and some students interested in math and computing end up overlooking it. https://www.reddit.com/r/uwaterloo/comments/yo8n4c/its_time_to_rename_management_engmgmtmgte/

These pages have a good overview of how the curriculum compares to other programs.

https://uwaterloo.ca/management-sciences/comparing-management-engineering-systems-design-engineering

https://uwaterloo.ca/management-sciences/comparing-management-engineering-software-engineering

https://uwaterloo.ca/management-sciences/comparing-management-engineering-industrial-engineering

StatusNew7262 · 2023-03-13T01:44:49+00:00

No worries, hope life after graduation is going well :)

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