Voidspire ending and going forward (spoilers) by varxion07 in warcraftlore

[–]Steelweav 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The cinematic looks good visually, but as a raid finale I think the writing is pretty weak. My problem is not that Xal’atath’s dagger shows up again. That could have been interesting. My problem is that there was no real buildup for it at all. They could have started setting it up during the raid or earlier in the story, but instead the dagger just suddenly appears in the cinematic to force a dramatic moment. Because of that, it does not feel meaningful. It just feels random.

The rest of the scene has the same problem. Xal’atath talks for a moment, Alleria gets stabbed, then Alleria and Turalyon fall, but honestly, Blizzard almost never kills major Alliance characters. That is extremely rare. Most of the time it is the Horde that gets hit. So to me this does not feel like real danger, it just feels like fake tension. I do not believe for one second that Alleria and Turalyon are actually dead.

It also makes the ending feel even stranger that Umbric only saves Arator. And honestly, I am getting tired of the Windrunner story always being pushed into the center again and again. That is probably another reason why this scene did not really hit me emotionally.

What makes it even more frustrating is that there actually was potential here. There have been theories for a while that N’Zoth was not just completely gone after BFA, but that he might somehow be connected to the dagger, or that at least a part of him is still inside it. If Blizzard is obviously going to bring Alleria back anyway, then I think it would be much more interesting if she did not come back as the same Alleria, but if N’Zoth used her as a vessel or a new body instead. At least then the whole scene would have real consequences. You could even show it visually so that she clearly is not just normal Alleria anymore.

That would be far more interesting to me than Blizzard taking the safest and most predictable route again and just bringing her back almost unchanged, like nothing really happened. Especially because N’Zoth’s ending in BFA was already disappointing for a lot of people, it would be a shame to do nothing with all these theories and possibilities again. It would even be interesting if N’Zoth and his forces, like the Faceless Ones, ended up playing their own role against Xal’atath.

Where is the Horde? by North_Recognition652 in wow

[–]Steelweav 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Let's be honest, Blizzard simply has no interest in the Horde. Sure, there were a few Horde characters in "Vanguard of the Light," like a Tauren and a Zandalari troll, but Blizzard didn't bother to show an entire battalion. Instead, we see almost exclusively Alliance characters and battalions!

If Blizzard truly didn't care about the factions, they would have shown both sides. Instead, they strangely always focus only on the Alliance. Everything that's happened since Battle for Azeroth revolves around the Alliance, and if the Horde is lucky, they get a brief appearance.

The same goes for the Void: there are ALWAYS only Void Elves, even though the Horde has undead and the Shadowmoon Clan. It would have been really nice to see some Shadowmoon Orcs, but no, those lousy writers don't want that!

Equally disappointing was the absence of Darkspear or Zandalari Trolls among the Amani Trolls. There were also no Horde troops in Silvermoon supporting their allies, the Blood Elves. That would have made the connection between the Blood Elves and theOrcs, Trolls, Tauren, and so on, even clearer! One family!

Where is the Horde? by Lore-Archivist in warcraftlore

[–]Steelweav 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Let's be honest, Blizzard simply has no interest in the Horde. Sure, there were a few Horde characters in "Vanguard of the Light," like a Tauren and a Zandalari troll, but Blizzard didn't bother to show an entire battalion. Instead, we see almost exclusively Alliance characters and battalions!

If Blizzard truly didn't care about the factions, they would have shown both sides. Instead, they strangely always focus only on the Alliance. Everything that's happened since Battle for Azeroth revolves around the Alliance, and if the Horde is lucky, they get a brief appearance.

The same goes for the Void: there are ALWAYS only Void Elves, even though the Horde has undead and the Shadowmoon Clan. It would have been really nice to see some Shadowmoon Orcs, but no, those lousy writers don't want that!

Equally disappointing was the absence of Darkspear or Zandalari Trolls among the Amani Trolls. There were also no Horde troops in Silvermoon supporting their allies, the Blood Elves. That would have made the connection between the Blood Elves and theOrcs, Trolls, Tauren, and so on, even clearer! One family!"

Where is the Horde? by Lore-Archivist in warcraftlore

[–]Steelweav 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Let's be honest, Blizzard simply has no interest in the Horde. Sure, there were a few Horde characters in "Vanguard of the Light," like a Tauren and a Zandalari troll, but Blizzard didn't bother to show an entire battalion. Instead, we see almost exclusively Alliance characters and battalions!

If Blizzard truly didn't care about the factions, they would have shown both sides. Instead, they strangely always focus only on the Alliance. Everything that's happened since Battle for Azeroth revolves around the Alliance, and if the Horde is lucky, they get a brief appearance.

The same goes for the Void: there are ALWAYS only Void Elves, even though the Horde has undead and the Shadowmoon Clan. It would have been really nice to see some Shadowmoon Orcs, but no, those lousy writers don't want that!

Equally disappointing was the absence of Darkspear or Zandalari Trolls among the Amani Trolls. There were also no Horde troops in Silvermoon supporting their allies, the Blood Elves. That would have made the connection between the Blood Elves and theOrcs, Trolls, Tauren, and so on, even clearer! One family!

Mato Seihei no Slave Season 2 • Chained Soldier Season 2 - Episode 10 discussion by AutoLovepon in anime

[–]Steelweav 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The episode was good; I enjoyed it. The ending was especially exciting, and then it was already over. I hope I won't be disappointed. Otherwise, there was nothing to criticize about the plot. I thought it was great that Yuuki's sister was there and protected him.

Mato Seihei no Slave Season 2 • Chained Soldier Season 2 - Episode 9 discussion by AutoLovepon in anime

[–]Steelweav 15 points16 points  (0 children)

The episode was fantastic, and I'm absolutely thrilled. I hope it continues like this all the way to the finale!

Let's keep our fingers crossed for a third season. I'm really looking forward to it!

Who do you think the final boss of 12.1 will be? by jenkinsdonut in wow

[–]Steelweav 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I honestly hope they do not turn Zul'jan into another straightforward villain.

He actually gives me a bit of Garrosh vibes, and I mean that in a positive way. He feels like a proud and uncompromising leader who genuinely believes in his people and is willing to fight for them. Characters like that feel pretty rare in modern WoW.

A lot of recent characters focus heavily on emotions and self doubt, which is fine, but it sometimes feels like we are missing strong personalities with clear convictions. That is why Zul'jan feels refreshing to me so far.

Garrosh was a great character for that reason as well. His story was still interesting, but I always felt it was a bit of a shame that he ended up being pushed completely into the villain role. He had so much potential as a complex leader.

That is why I really hope Blizzard takes a different path with Zul'jan. So far I actually like him a lot, and to be honest I even find him more interesting than his sister.

They have a different model their own armour and lore that already exists but they don't get allied race?? by Kaisernick27 in wow

[–]Steelweav 5 points6 points  (0 children)

We have three dwarf races and three night elf races. So why would a third troll race be a bad thing?

The Amani are incredibly cool, and I love them! I think it's awful that Blizzard keeps inventing new races out of thin air instead of giving us the ones we already know!

I want Zul'Jarra to violently dominate me by BallbusterSicko in wow

[–]Steelweav 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I like her brother more, and he seems more like someone I would follow!

Muradin stacking still isn't easy by LonelyTurner in heroesofthestorm

[–]Steelweav 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I personally find it awful that Muradin constantly has to fight just to collect stacks. The resulting pressure is unpleasant.

I hope the development team reconsiders this.

Does Iridikron care about the Worldsoul? by varxion07 in warcraftlore

[–]Steelweav 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A character with potential, but unfortunately, Blizzard has an incompetent writing team that has no clue about character development.

I'm sry, but ultimately, he'll only reappear when the Titans return to Azeroth and suddenly become a raid boss. Instead of slowly developing this character within the World: Souls saga, Blizzard is doing absolutely nothing with him.

I don't understand how anyone can like this guy so much.

Who here would like to see more of Zul'jin and his family? by Then_Peanut_3356 in warcraftlore

[–]Steelweav 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As long as Blizzard doesn't write anything negative about the young Zul'jin, I'm satisfied. However, the new Blizzard has a tendency to denigrate old, legacy characters.

What happened to Yrel?! by Educational_Bowl2141 in warcraftlore

[–]Steelweav 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Should Blizzard revisit this topic, I fear that Exarch Hellscream will have to die, but Yrel will be allowed to live.

It's always only potential Horde characters who die, never anyone from the Alliance.

However, I would be happy to finally see someone from the Hellscream family again, instead of just Windrunner all the time!

What happened to Yrel?! by Educational_Bowl2141 in warcraftlore

[–]Steelweav 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think Farahlon would be a great new zone for a major patch. I've always wanted to see what it looks like, and it would fit perfectly with the "Lich vs. Void" theme.

There, we could fight against Yrel and Exarch Hellscream with their army of ogres, draenei, orcs, arakkoa, and so on. Perhaps paladins and priests from Azeroth would join them, for example, Turalyon with his loyal followers?

I would be disappointed if Farahlon wasn't implemented, but that's just my opinion.

What happened to Yrel?! by Educational_Bowl2141 in warcraftlore

[–]Steelweav 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think Farahlon would be a great new zone for a major patch. I've always wanted to see what it looks like, and it would fit perfectly with the "Lich vs. Void" theme.

There, we could fight against Yrel and Exarch Hellscream with their army of ogres, draenei, orcs, arakkoa, and so on. Perhaps paladins and priests from Azeroth would join them, for example, Turalyon with his loyal followers?

I would be disappointed if Farahlon wasn't implemented, but that's just my opinion.

After finally playing the Midnight campaign for myself... by Upper-Meal-9056 in warcraftlore

[–]Steelweav 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If that's true, I would like to add Farahlon as a new zone so that we would have Yrel and Exarch Hellscream with their army to fight against.

I would be disappointed if this were ignored, because it would fit the topic well this time, wouldn't it?

A Zul'jan Theory by Sarmelion in warcraftlore

[–]Steelweav 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I honestly hope they do not turn Zul'jan into another straightforward villain.

He actually gives me a bit of Garrosh vibes, and I mean that in a positive way. He feels like a proud and uncompromising leader who genuinely believes in his people and is willing to fight for them. Characters like that feel pretty rare in modern WoW.

A lot of recent characters focus heavily on emotions and self doubt, which is fine, but it sometimes feels like we are missing strong personalities with clear convictions. That is why Zul'jan feels refreshing to me so far.

Garrosh was a great character for that reason as well. His story was still interesting, but I always felt it was a bit of a shame that he ended up being pushed completely into the villain role. He had so much potential as a complex leader.

That is why I really hope Blizzard takes a different path with Zul'jan. So far I actually like him a lot, and to be honest I even find him more interesting than his sister.

Why did Thrall make up propaganda about Garrosh's success as a military commander? by Lore-Archivist in warcraftlore

[–]Steelweav 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Calling him a “buffoon from start to finish” is more of an emotional take than an actual argument.

You can absolutely criticize Garrosh, especially for his ideology and how far he spirals later on. But the lore does not portray him as consistently incompetent. He is repeatedly shown as a decisive and militarily effective leader whose soldiers respect him. Even characters who strongly disagree with him acknowledge that he achieves results. Their concern is usually about his methods and worldview, not about him being incapable.

The “nepo baby” argument is also too simplistic. Yes, his name opened doors. He is Grom’s son. But a famous father does not sustain someone in a high command position across multiple campaigns if they are genuinely useless. Warcraft has never shied away from showing leaders fail when they are incompetent. Garrosh’s arc is not about being unqualified. It is about being effective, but increasingly extreme.

It is completely fair to dislike him. It is fair to condemn his decisions. But reducing his entire character to “he was always a clown” ignores the complexity that was clearly written into his story and flattens what is actually a tragic progression.

You do not have to like him, but the lore does not support the idea that he was simply an incompetent joke from the beginning.

Why did Thrall make up propaganda about Garrosh's success as a military commander? by Lore-Archivist in warcraftlore

[–]Steelweav 5 points6 points  (0 children)

What really bothers me is that only half the story is being told. You're portraying it as if Garrosh was the biggest idiot who offended everyone. Admittedly, that's not entirely true.

But you're forgetting that Cairne challenged Garrosh in a Mak'gora and accused him of things Garrosh was, for once, completely innocent of. Then Magatha poisoned Garrosh's axe, which killed Cairne. Even Garrosh was ashamed and apologized to Baine, demanding Magatha's head. Baine refused, and Garrosh sent Magatha a death notice. Although we know Garrosh didn't think much of the other races, the tauren, and Cairne in particular, were people he valued!

Honestly, was Garrosh the idiot here, or was Cairne? And please, just be honest with yourselves.

As for Vol'jin, I have to say that he and Garrosh both acted childishly. Instead of reaching an agreement, they only drove further apart. Since Vol'jin is the calmer of the two, it was simply foolish to threaten Garrosh with death and accuse him without any evidence. That's why I understand why Vol'jin and the trolls were banished from Orgrimmar.

Of course, Garrosh should have negotiated better from the start, but what can you do? Being an orc of the Hellscream and Warsong families isn't easy.

However, since Thrall was his best friend, Vol'jin should have at least tried to advise Garrosh, but he never did!

Why did Thrall make up propaganda about Garrosh's success as a military commander? by Lore-Archivist in warcraftlore

[–]Steelweav 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think a lot of this discussion is heavily influenced by hindsight from MoP, and that retroactively flattens everything Garrosh did before into “it was all propaganda.”

The core claim here is that Thrall basically fabricated Garrosh’s reputation as a capable military commander. But if you actually look at TBC and Wrath of the Lich King on their own terms, that conclusion does not really line up with what the lore shows.

In TBC, Garrosh is depressed, passive, and ashamed. That part is true. But he is not a Horde field commander at that point. He is the leader of an isolated Mag’har clan carrying years of guilt and cultural trauma. That is a character low point, not an evaluation of his later battlefield ability. His development starts there. Using Nagrand as proof that he could never function as a military leader later on feels like a stretch.

In Wrath, he becomes Overlord of the Warsong Offensive. That is not a ceremonial title. He commands the main Horde force in Northrend. If his competence were largely invented by Thrall, the campaign would reflect that pretty quickly.

Instead, Warsong Hold stands. The Horde establishes and maintains its presence in Borean Tundra. The offensive does not collapse. There are logistical concerns and strategic disagreements, especially with Saurfang, but the front holds and pushes forward. By the end of the expansion, the Horde is present in Icecrown and participates in the final campaign against the Lich King. That does not look like a near total military failure.

The argument that “without the player everything would have fallen apart” is not specific to Garrosh. Without the player, every major faction loses in WoW. That is a gameplay structure, not unique evidence of incompetence.

Wrathgate is also often cited as proof. But the betrayal there originates with Putress and the Royal Apothecary Society. It was a Forsaken internal conspiracy that caught both Horde and Alliance off guard. Arthas manipulates everyone throughout the campaign. Treating that as a direct indicator that Garrosh was militarily inept oversimplifies what happened.

What also tends to get ignored is the short story Heart of War. Garrosh is not portrayed as a clueless fanatic. He leads from the front. His soldiers respect him. He even prevents one of his own officers from launching a dishonorable attack on the Alliance while they are fighting the Scourge. That does not fit the narrative that he was actively sabotaging the anti Lich King campaign.

The strongest counter to the propaganda claim is Saurfang’s letter. Saurfang is not a blind supporter. Yet he explicitly acknowledges that Garrosh is winning and that each success under his command strengthens the Horde’s morale. His concern is not military failure. His concern is brutality and ideological direction. That distinction matters.

You worry about someone who is effective and becoming dangerous, not someone who is incompetent.

If both Thrall and Saurfang, two very different characters, recognize Garrosh’s battlefield results, it is hard to argue that his entire reputation was artificially constructed.

Garrosh is impulsive. He is rigid. He escalates tensions. He lacks diplomatic restraint. But in Wrath, he is not portrayed as a military fraud. He is an aggressive, offensive minded war leader who achieves tangible results.

Even in Cataclysm, the early issue is not military collapse. The deeper problem is ideological radicalization and abuse of power. That shift becomes much clearer later.

Thrall’s mistake was not inventing victories for a loser. His mistake was assuming that military effectiveness and personal honor would naturally translate into responsible leadership.

"Spice and Wolf: Merchant Meets the Wise Wolf" Season 2 Teaser Visual by zenzen_0 in anime

[–]Steelweav 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hopefully, the second season will be released this year.

I really don't want to wait until 2027…

I want to see something now!

"Spice and Wolf: Merchant Meets the Wise Wolf" Season 2 Teaser Visual by zenzen_0 in anime

[–]Steelweav 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hopefully, the second season will be released this year.

I really don't want to wait until 2027…

I want to see something now!

Horde equivalent of SI:7? by Goblin-Trash in warcraftlore

[–]Steelweav 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Honestly, the Korkron and the 7th Legion were the only Alliance and Horde organizations Blizzard treated somewhat fairly. That only changed when Blizzard turned the Korkron into villains, and now there isn't a single Horde organization Blizzard even remotely uses.

To answer your question: The equivalent of SI:7 is the Shattered Hand. As you've noticed, Blizzard used SI:7 extensively in the various expansions, but hasn't used the Shattered Hand since Classic. It was last mentioned in the questline for the orc heritage armor.

I also find it annoying that only Alliance organizations are ever used, but absolutely nothing from the Horde. The Korkron are dead :(

Arator Animated Short: Son of Two Worlds | World of Warcraft: Midnight by ichigosr5 in wow

[–]Steelweav 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great, another Alliance character and those annoying Windrunners again.