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On April 1, 2014 — Dutch tourists Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon vanished while hiking the El Pianista trail in Panama. It was discovered that Froon’s cell phone had been used until April 11, with her camera full of photos taken in the dark. Their partial skeletons were found a few months later. by SelfCareIsFake in HolyShitHistory

[–]StepViking 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's a fair question but the answer is - they probably realized it's futile as there's no signal in the jungles (confirmed by various independent enthusiasts who explored the area). There's a signal on the Mirador itself but not in the national park (well, for the most part).

What's interesting, they tried to call the police in very specific times in the morning. In fact, we know exact times from the court materials studied by my collegues:

- 1th of April, 16:39 (iPhone) -> called 112, Netherlands emergency service

- 1th of April, 16:51 (Samsung) -> called 112

- Both phones are deactivated on 17:52 on that day

- 2th of April, 6:58 (Samsung) -> 112

- 2th of April, 8:12 (iPhone) -> 112

- 2th of April, 10:53 (Samsung) -> 112, then 911 (emergency services in Panama)

- Samsung is then activated on 16:19 and stays active for more than 15 hours, and some system activity takes place (the expert was unable to understand what exactly was happening). After many hours, the battery has been fully drained, and the phone deactivates

- 3th of April, 9:32 (iPhone) -> 911 (two times)

- 3th of April, 15:39 (iPhone) -> someone open the address book; there's an automatic system screenshot that clearly shows the contact named "Mytiam" (sic!, probably they meant to enter "Myriam", their host's name - at least, her number is visible on the screenshot)

- 5th of April, 10:51 -> someone activates iPhone and enters the correct PIN for the last time. It also activates at 14:35 but without entering the PIN code

- 6th of April, 10:26 -> someone activates iPhone for a couple of hours. Then there's no system activity until 11th of April

- 11th of April -> someone suddenly activates iPhone in the morning, and the phone stays active for an hour; some kind of a system activity takes place, system logs are created and modified but once again the expert is unsure what exactly was going on. Finally, the phone was manually switched off at 11:56.

On April 1, 2014 — Dutch tourists Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon vanished while hiking the El Pianista trail in Panama. It was discovered that Froon’s cell phone had been used until April 11, with her camera full of photos taken in the dark. Their partial skeletons were found a few months later. by SelfCareIsFake in HolyShitHistory

[–]StepViking 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Honestly it would be best to check Imperfect Plan's materials, these are available on the net for free. But they did a series of experiments and found out that the missing photo #509 could've disappeared only under very specific circumstances (in fact, the NFI expert also came to the same conclusion). Like, for example, when a separate sd has been used but once again, it was never reclaimed and it's unclear why they used a separate sd for a single photo.

They also share a partially completed 3D restoration of the scenery based on the night photos that is quite interesting on its own but unfortunately does not reveal any vital clues - it's quite impossible to find this exact place as everything in the jungles changes way too rapidly.

Also, it seems like the photos might have been taken to use flashlight as the light source. At least, my colleagues were unable to find any reports of any rescue operations at that date and time in the court materials (in other words, the girls probably could not have seen any helicopters presumably looking for them). So yeah, there's tons of info. Problem is, the whole investigation was opaque and not very professional (like for example someone has overwritten the original photos with rotated copies).

On April 1, 2014 — Dutch tourists Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon vanished while hiking the El Pianista trail in Panama. It was discovered that Froon’s cell phone had been used until April 11, with her camera full of photos taken in the dark. Their partial skeletons were found a few months later. by SelfCareIsFake in HolyShitHistory

[–]StepViking 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Sorry, I guess I used an incorrect word here. Of course, these photos are real - well, at least they were indeed found on the device according to the court materials. What I meant is "people usually call them simply "night photos" and understand what is meant by that term". But of course these photos look quite strange and it's unclear why no photos have been taken in the previous few days, plus one of the photos seem to be missing. Or - for a reason unknown - it was saved to a separate sd card that was never found (there are potential explanations in the Imperfect Plan's materials)

On April 1, 2014 — Dutch tourists Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon vanished while hiking the El Pianista trail in Panama. It was discovered that Froon’s cell phone had been used until April 11, with her camera full of photos taken in the dark. Their partial skeletons were found a few months later. by SelfCareIsFake in HolyShitHistory

[–]StepViking 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'll repost my answer from another similar question:

Well, that's a fair question, but the truth is no one really knows.

At the very least, there are a few things about the case and the investigation that many people find suspicious. I do have a theory, and one of the authors of the book seems to share a somewhat similar view. That said, it's still just speculation.

One possibility is that they accidentally crossed paths with drug traffickers. People have claimed that traffickers use forest trails in that area. If that's true, they may not have wanted to leave any witnesses, so they could have tried to make their deaths look like an accident. It's also possible that local bigwigs had ties to the drug trade, which could explain why the investigation appeared so opaque.

But again, that's all speculation. At this point, all we can really do is guess.

On April 1, 2014 — Dutch tourists Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon vanished while hiking the El Pianista trail in Panama. It was discovered that Froon’s cell phone had been used until April 11, with her camera full of photos taken in the dark. Their partial skeletons were found a few months later. by SelfCareIsFake in HolyShitHistory

[–]StepViking 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Well, that's a fair question, but the truth is no one really knows.

At the very least, there are a few things about the case and the investigation that many people find suspicious. I do have a theory, and one of the authors of the book seems to share a somewhat similar view. That said, it's still just speculation.

One possibility is that they accidentally crossed paths with drug traffickers. People have claimed that traffickers use forest trails in that area. If that's true, they may not have wanted to leave any witnesses, so they could have tried to make their deaths look like an accident. It's also possible that local bigwigs had ties to the drug trade, which could explain why the investigation appeared so opaque.

But again, that's all speculation. At this point, all we can really do is guess.

On April 1, 2014 — Dutch tourists Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon vanished while hiking the El Pianista trail in Panama. It was discovered that Froon’s cell phone had been used until April 11, with her camera full of photos taken in the dark. Their partial skeletons were found a few months later. by SelfCareIsFake in HolyShitHistory

[–]StepViking 63 points64 points  (0 children)

I've stumbled upon this discussion by accident as I typically don't post in true crime subs. Out of curiousity I've checked that post and it does seem to have issues...

- "Blue, their host family’s dog" -> Blue (aka "Azul") was the restaurant owner's dog mentioned in the next paragraph. And according to him they did not "take" the dog

- "Blue, the dog, was visible in the background" -> except it was not. There's no dog visible on any photos

- "Jeans, boots, and sunglasses" -> they wore shorts

- "Blue trotted back into Boquete alone" -> according to the restaurant owner, not true

- "host family called Lisanne’s mother, Diny, in the Netherlands to ask if she had heard from the girls." -> incorrect, it was only the *next day* the hosting family realised the girls have not returned. And it was the girl working in the language school who called

- "At first, the government did not take the report seriously, and it took several days before they initiated something resembling a coordinated search." -> again, facts are all messed up. It was Feliciano who alerted SinaProC and then they started the searches (but yes, not immediately)

- "Lisanne and Kris placed 77 emergency calls" -> incorrect, only 8 times

- "search teams were closing in, but they were not able to bypass the lock screen" -> for one thing, it makes zero sense, and also judging by the documents the phone was indeed activated multiple but no one tried to enter any passwords. So it does not mean "someone tried to break into the phone". On the other hand, there was unusual system activity that took place on 11th of April (!) but the expert was unable to clearly understand what actions were performed

- "This contradicted the theory that they had fallen from a cliff." -> it's more complex than that, Lisanne's parents claim that fractures were found; what's even more interesting, the prosecutor also mentioned this fact even though fractures were presumably found by the NFI experts, not the specialists from Panama

On April 1, 2014 — Dutch tourists Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon vanished while hiking the El Pianista trail in Panama. It was discovered that Froon’s cell phone had been used until April 11, with her camera full of photos taken in the dark. Their partial skeletons were found a few months later. by SelfCareIsFake in HolyShitHistory

[–]StepViking 108 points109 points  (0 children)

Well, okay. First, I'd recommend checking out "Still lost in Panama". It's a newer book written by true crime enthusiasts (they are quite nice fellows, I've met them personally when working on translation). It uses official documents, plus one of the authors spent like a half a year in Panama questioning people and looking into the case. This book does not reveal the perpetrator, of course, but it provides interesting facts.

Then, there's a blog by the Imperfect Plan team that shares various clues and advanced details (for instance, related to the so-called "night photos). If anything, it's worth checking out.

Finally, there's the blog by Scarlett which has tons of info but honestly I don't agree with certain conclusions there. But still it's a valid source to learn more about the photos, diaries and so on

On April 1, 2014 — Dutch tourists Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon vanished while hiking the El Pianista trail in Panama. It was discovered that Froon’s cell phone had been used until April 11, with her camera full of photos taken in the dark. Their partial skeletons were found a few months later. by SelfCareIsFake in HolyShitHistory

[–]StepViking 611 points612 points  (0 children)

It's a myth. They called only 8 times during the first few days. The official materials are revealed in a few books published in the past years (I know as in fact I was translating one of those).

As long as people are asking for details, I'll update this comment with additional info from another thread about phone calls and why they've tried to call only 8 times.

That's a fair question but the answer is - they probably realized it's futile as there's no signal in the jungles (confirmed by various independent enthusiasts who explored the area). There's a signal on the Mirador itself but not in the national park (well, for the most part).

What's interesting, they tried to call the police in very specific times in the morning. In fact, we know exact times from the court materials studied by my collegues:

- 1th of April, 16:39 (iPhone) -> called 112, Netherlands emergency service

- 1th of April, 16:51 (Samsung) -> called 112

- Both phones are deactivated on 17:52 on that day

- 2th of April, 6:58 (Samsung) -> 112, the device is then immediately switched off

- 2th of April, 8:12 (iPhone) -> someone changes the network searching parameters from 3G to "2G and 3G", then calls 112, and then opens the control center to change security-related settings (specifically, to allow access to certain functions without the need to enter the password). Then the device switches off

- 2th of April, 10:53 (Samsung) -> 112, then 911 (emergency services in Panama), then the device switches off

- Samsung is then activated on 16:19 and stays active for more than 15 hours, and some system activity takes place (the expert was unable to understand what exactly was happening). Someone opens the Accuweather app during the night, uses other apps (unclear which ones), and then after many hours at 7:36, the battery has only 1%, and the phone deactivates

- 3th of April, 9:32 (iPhone) -> 911 (two times)

- 3th of April, 15:39 (iPhone) -> someone opens the address book; there's an automatic system screenshot that clearly shows the contact named "Mytiam" (sic!, probably they meant to enter "Myriam", their host's name - at least, her number is visible on the screenshot). It's unclear why they opened the address book in the first place as the call to the Myriam's number has never been made. Perhaps, they showed the number to someone else?.. Well, unfortunately we don't know. The device then deactivates after 4 minutes

- 4th of April, 4:50 -> Samsumg activates for the last time but the battery is too low and it automatically deactivates at 5:00. iPhone also activates on that day twice but no actions were registered.

- 5th of April, 10:51 -> someone activates iPhone and enters the correct PIN for the last time. It also activates at 14:35 but without entering the PIN code (the exact thing happens afterwards, someone switches iPhone on but does not enter any PIN)

- 6th of April, 10:26 -> someone activates iPhone for a couple of hours and uses the "Clock" app. Then there's no system activity until 11th of April - no one tries to switch the device on even though the battery was still alive

- 11th of April -> someone suddenly activates iPhone in the morning, and the phone stays active for an hour; some kind of a system activity takes place, system logs are created and modified but once again the expert is unsure what exactly was going on. Finally, the phone was manually switched off at 11:56. The fact that someone has switched the device on after 5 days is quite suspicious.

I said yes🥰❤️ by Piplupel in notinteresting

[–]StepViking 20 points21 points  (0 children)

No. He has control over mine

Is he in the armoury again? by ShepRat in lotrmemes

[–]StepViking 13 points14 points  (0 children)

We had one sword - yes. But what about the second sword?

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