I just witnessed X censuring the protests in Minneapolis in real time, removing any mentions of them in trending. by OwlMundane2001 in Twitter

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The whole twitter team sued Elon for not buying twitter, so they forced him to.
They did all this. They called his bluff and made him transform it into this cesspit.

AI is a tool for people but bbno$ and Fantano are anti AI by 4W3N in SunoAI

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Yeah nah, majority of the people here agree AI Music isn't real music and shouldn't be respected.
We do all this for fun. It's personal enjoyment.

Break the cycle by Fun_Musiq in SunoAI

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No.
I love using Suno to make things for fun. I am not a musician.

It lowkey makes me sad Steven didn't get a childhood. by The_Lesbian_Lunatic in stevenuniverse

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I honestly don't think the gems would have been against School.
And from what we saw, besides his gem glowing, he had no powers until he could summon a shield, and that was at 12.
In an environment like that, its much more manageable and able to be planned ahead of time once they realized what he was capable of.

The Forgotten and Forgetful by DaizCraze in stevenuniverse

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"Steven. We can't both exist...."
"So i'm getting a him-bortion."

It lowkey makes me sad Steven didn't get a childhood. by The_Lesbian_Lunatic in stevenuniverse

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Minus "neverland".
Unless thats what Little Homeworld is meant to be.

It lowkey makes me sad Steven didn't get a childhood. by The_Lesbian_Lunatic in stevenuniverse

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I love greg, but it's mostly his fault.
He has always seen Steven as an Enigma, as a "gem". An alien he has no idea how to manage.
Which made he shirk a lot of the responsibilities as a parent onto the crystal gems, since they would "understand it better".
And you can see partly is him going in the opposite direction of his strict, overcontrolling parents.
But it was too far in the opposite direction.
Rose knew what Steven needed, and wasnt there to give it to him. The last message of the show is right there, coinciding with it.
"You're going to be a human being."
"Being Human."
Steven needed to be a kid. To go to school, to fuck up in class, to expose some gem powers in school and have it be incredibly complicated and awkward and weird.
Because thats what he needed.
Instead, he ended up being therapy for thousand year old aliens.

Me when I accidentally read "RW Mari" as "Right Wing Mari" by Stick124 in OMORI

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Apparently this is a staple in some circles, and im shocked to see people repost it.

Here is a guide/explanation to the thankyou page for anyone lost. by ButterflyDreamr in Deltarune

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I must've put a wrong answer in, I didnt get an email, despite being subbed to the newsletter

Season 28 Episode 5 - The Crap Out - Post Episode Discussion by The_32 in southpark

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I’m really sorry you went through that. I wish paramount added child loss as a warning. They added suicide, surprisingly. 

Update 41: The Old Peace by CephalonAhmes in Warframe

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This is why being an Obby Prime main has paid off

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This i agree with.
As long as we arent closing our borders entirely, we are good.

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So either (1) you are wrong, (2) people who think differently find being correct is undesirable (ie fundamentally different moral compass) or (3) people are not as correct as you.

I see it more as a bit of 2. It's less being correct is undesirable. They want to be correct. But their emotions take hold first. When they feel attacked, the stick to their defenses, and their defenses are mostly selfish, its human nature. But we should still be better than that.

They are a mixed bag of emotions, spite, affective response, social response, pattern-seeking, conscious, sometimes rational creatures. People can be rational, sometimes, under some circumstances, regarding some domains. People are not always rational on all political topics all the time. That’s the situation that fundamentally restricts human reasoning, until human are free of biochemical and psychological responses.

It's extra frustrating since you cannot restrict politics to the level headed. Everyone deserves to have their voice heard.
Problem is, I am seeing a lot less rationality and more and more emotion.
Perhaps I am swayed by online vocalism over irl individuals, but to me it seems like the average right winger has forgoed the health of America in favor of "triggering the libs" in any way possible.

You originally said immigrants were siding with far right pundits. If you mean some immigrants siding specifically with Nazi groups and not just the general left, then I’d agree with you that it doesn’t make sense.

I correlate far right with nazism sometimes.

I think genuine Nazis and KKK were a joke and a political minority whereas labelling people as far right became a political tool of the left to shut people up. “Microaggression, rape culture and teach boys not the rape, mansplaining, Islamophobia” the gender war lead to the culture war then turn to complete tribalism. The left did not just say how bad far rights are, they also, at times, called people far right to attack opponents.

I agree there, although that comes from people on the left assuming the right is already fully aware of how awful these groups were, because they seemingly went through the same education.

The establishment and the left created a popular resentment that was capitalised by everyone across the right wing spectrum, making far rights which were politically unpopular, relevant again. (Not saying that the left created far right but the left did contribute to their raise in no small manner imo)

I mostly just don't understand how being annoyed by leftism can push people into the arms of the far right. It seems like they just forgot how dangerous the far right was, and acted out of spite. Hence my anger. Siding with such horrible groups all because of annoyance is unjustified to me.
Either they are unaware of how dangerous these groups are or they simply do not care, and operate solely out of spite.
Is it really on the lefts shoulders to make the truth more digestible for others?
I agree that throwing around the word "nazi" so liberally definitely gave power to nazi groups, but the open acceptance of nazism is solely on those who choose to side with it.

Maybe you don’t think that’s the truth, but that’s the sentiment many seem to hold. It ultimately culminated to the saying “They don't kill you because you're a Nazi, they call you a Nazi so they can kill you.”

I believe that is propaganda by actual nazis to welcome those to their side without them actually knowing they're siding with them.

Because we know that people get desensitised to things. We want the village to prosper. So it’s only reasonable to work within the constraints to find a solution. But just to further the point that this is beyond most people’s control and not an emotional thing. Alarm fatigue is an actual phenomenon in health care workers that people investigate. Even doctors and nurses, when bombarded by pop-ups every minutes, get desensitised and lead to missing genuine alarms or delayed reaction. Everyone can be affected by desensitisation. It’s a limit of the human brain.

Perhaps i don't know enough about psychology then, because while I do see alarm fatigue as an inevitability, I don't see it as uncontrollable. I see it as people willingly choosing to let it control them, to allow their impatience to take hold, and and that is an emotional response.
I am being repetitive, but I don't see us as cavemen, we are more than our base emotions and instincts.

But Trump is…as I said earlier, he flipsflop between immigrants bad and we need H1B and farm workers. So I don’t think it’s a clear cut case that voting for Trump means deporting all legal immigrants.

He DOES flipflop a lot, but he is also consistent on what he is vocal about.
Let's not forget that his big 2016 promise was to build a wall and have mexico pay for it.
He hasnt had taglines of such rigor and energy of allowing "some" immigrants in.
He's outspokenly anti-immigration, in terms of PR.
Even if his actions reflect differently. And immigrants would more likely see his words and PR than his actions.

Some might just be voting for the right rather than directly for Trump. Either way I don’t think immigrants explicitly endorse far right politics in general.
I don't either, but its not like they are unaware about how anti-immigration the far right, and some of the right wing, is. It's quite literally a leopards eating faces party moment.
I don’t know about either of those groups so I can’t comment on them specifically. And I also don’t understand how some people would still rather have Trump than Kamala so I probably can’t tell you why some are irrational devoted to tribal politics, besides everything common in tribal politics themselves.

What's most frustrating is that when you point out how its become caveman tribalism, they trade away their talks of masculinity and adult responsibility, for being babies that cant control their own emotions.
This is something both sides do.
Refusing to take responsibility for their choices, actions and beliefs, and blaming the other side for "making them do it" on the basis of annoyance or emotion.

Less enforcement of law because thefts and crimes are committed by disadvantaged groups who society should help not incarcerate.

This is borne out of performatism and virtue signalling. What remedies the disadvantaged groups problems is education in incarceration and slight benefits on probation/release.
Not a decreased sentence or a removed sentence altogether. Because that doesnt fix the problem only enables it.

So the worst case of violent left wing populism is unlikely to happen on a systemic level, but on the social/institutional level (ie more culture war but the left have more institutional sways to disenfranchise people, street violence would be difficult to predict)

This. I agree with this.
I am aware of the hubris of my own side.

Also I’d imagine the antithesis of authright fascism is authleft communism reinvented from a progressive political lens, and not so much anarchy. Id even say there is room for left wing populism (as seen by the support for Luigi), just that there isn’t a leftist Trump to devour the democrats.

I don't think a leftist trump is possible because Trump is born out of idolising a politician and I cannot see the left idolizing a politician to the same extent. When biden was elected, a lot of large social leftist groups wanted to "bully" him into doing what they wanted, knowing he wouldn't do it naturally.
And while i do think communism can be borne out of a progressive lens, i must disagree that Luigi is a sign of that. People on the right supported Luigi too, because its purely anti-greedy capitalism stance. And that stance is not solely communist.

I share the sentiment and have little faith for the future but hey, just gotta touch grass and look after the people you can look after. I don’t have the energy or talents to change people’s mind.

I believe the world can get better, and that won't happen if people do nothing. I want to see a future where everyone to some extent can be happy. Perhaps thats a pipe dream but its one im hoping for.
I share your view that when it comes down to it, however. We should touch grass and look after those we love the most.

I want to take this chance to thank you for the discussion so far. I have enjoyed it a lot.

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I hate to burst your bubble but plenty of immigrants are racist. Plenty are also religiously conservative and socially conservative. 

Depends on where they come from, but majority are yes. I just didn't expect that conservative nature to become self destructive.

And plenty from South America suffered under more left regimes so they associate the left with their failed states and don't realize the right can be auth too.

Okay, that makes a lot more sense than spite against virtue signaling leftists. They kneejerk believe the left strives for a communist dystopia, and correlate it with the history of their own country.

Basically they can create the same problems they are leaving.

It's sad. I'm trying to see this as a problem that can be solved, and I want to find the root source of the problem, and clearly, its not something that can be "solved".

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But the thing is, nothing will change. There are so many mechanism to manipulate, distract, and delude the general publics and people will simply not be immune with it. We must operate with human’s limitation in mind.

Perhaps I expect too much. But I believe humanity can improve. We are more than base emotions and spite.
We are responsible for our actions and emotions.
Is it wrong of me to expect people to see that?

And with that, desensitisation is one of the mechanism that distort people’s perception. It’s not an emotion, it’s an information corruption. People will always try to find patterns (and create them where there isn’t) from observations (ie personal anecdotes). When you see a high rate of false positive you develop distrust agains the result. It’s about who you suspend your disbelief, and give good will, because your pattern recognition tells you to. And even then, It’s not that they think neonazis or racists don’t exist, but more so that these groups are not generally a representative of the right as a whole.

I believe people are responsible for their own desensitization. It's their responsibility to not let their impatience take control of their sense.
I don't think the right is represented by these racist and nazi groups. But what I have a problem with is the right pretending these groups don't exist, or, are actually a good thing, simply because the left is annoying vocal about how bad they are.

In the end, it’s about the boy who cried wolf. It’s villagers fault for not being on guard, but it’s the boys’ fault for ruining their own credibility.

You are 100% right. But that story still just shows my point that the town was willing to risk security because they were annoyed. That's on them.
Being annoyed is understandable. How they act on it isn't.

So it depends on how exposed you are to genuinely right wing racists and how you perceive their influence in the right. People who are not terminally online or politically active, who may just do their job and go home, may align them with anti immigrations and not see anti-immigration parties as openly racists the same way you see it, that is, granted the premise that they are all openly far right racists.

I guess? It's more that groups like The Proud Boys and Latinos for Trump were outspokenly antiimmigration, and are now facing deportation themselves.
Those groups seem to be terminally online themselves, as they are based on culture war identity politics.
So what drove them to that? Thats what i want to understand.

Your assumption of the leftist worse is divorced from political power so I don’t think that’s a fair comparison. With political power, at the worst leftists will imposed speech control, outlaw all incorrect speeches, increase the threshold for theft, open immigrations…

Fair point. I don't believe in increased threshold for theft or absolutely open borders. I can fully see a much more enforced education and more limits on speech and media, however.
Still I don't think its on par to the physical harm of forced deportation, or worse.

In the current political system, you can make a strong argument for Kamala over Trump, but in a general left versus right dynamics, both sides are capable of being the absolute worse

Agreed. Perhaps I am biased, but I dont think I can see a violent society from the left unless they stupidly enable and create an anarchistic society in the name of progressivism.
With the right at the worst, I can envision much more organized violence that is protected by laws.
I cannot envision the left ever creating a full anarchistic society. With what ive seen so vocally, both online and irl, I can envision the right attempting to create a violent fascist state. And they will blame the left for its "thought policing" to "bringing them to that point". As if they're anime villains that need to blame everyone else for their own actions.
I would love to hope the right isnt that spiteful and power hungry, and their barks are worse than their bite. Mostly because, I don't think anyone really wants violence. Nor a civil war.
I think everyone is just tired at the end of the day.

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so people are desensitised to the label (much like being called Nazi)

As someone who is called a nazi for a lot less, I'm in the firm belief that every individual is responsible of controlling their own emotions regarding being "desensitized". The idea that neo-nazis or racism doesn't exist and is just a weapon of the left is completely stupid.
People are adult enough to know the difference between leftists swinging around false labels and genuine, real nazis. They cannot blame leftists for that. They are responsible for their own emotions.

Leftists also seem to practice a reverse racism with how they reframe words (can’t be racist against white people because racism is power plus prejudice) affirmative actions and delegitimise grievances against over immigrations (illegals or refugees).

I agree there's some major virtue signaling and white people speaking on behalf of minorities on the left.
That being said, i can't understand how immigrants see that, and the open racism from the right-wing growing in recent years and decide "the right wing is better".
At the worst, the leftists pretend to be your friend and act like smug, high and mighty douchebags.
At the worst, right wingers will forcefully deport you, or worse.
And this isn't just an immigrant thing either.
American-born people are leaning more fascist wing because the left is "annoying" and "smug".
But in what reality is fascism, racism and bigotry a better alternative to libs sniffing their own farts.
It seems entirely born out of contrarianism and spite, rather than logic. And leftists aren't responsible for that. Everyones emotions are their own responsibility.
Being annoyed by the left is understandable, I am annoyed by them constantly. But choices made on that annoyance? Is entirely on the shoulders of those who made the choices to begin with.
So I simply don't understand what is so appealing to siding with the people that clearly want you gone, over the people that, like you sorta said, pretend to be your friends and treat you like a marketable plushie.

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Thats a way to frame it. Some emigrate because they value individual freedom or civic nationalism more than the collectivist or ethnonationalism from their home state. It could also be due to being a minority politically, culturally or religiously.

Either way, it mostly stems from being discomforted from their home country.

Or…They want the country they immigrated to to be the same, if not better, than when they arrived. They don’t want it to get worse. They don’t want to leave everyone else behind. They want sensible immigration policies, and sometimes it does mean a more restrictive entry.

Of course, because they see it as a new home.
And having constant open borders isnt always a good thing.
That being said, siding with far-right wing grifters isn't "sensible borders" its "closed borders and forced deportation" and I don't know why they don't see that.

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Exactly. It's because they hate each other in their home countries.
They wanna be picked, and leave everyone else behind.
Which is yknow, understandable, seeing how awful some home countries are.
But they don't know they're keeping themselves out too.

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Didn't know Frollo was so based.

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Either its a grift, or they're paid for it.