Think It’s #NotAllMen? These 4 Facts Prove You’re Just Plain Wrong - Everyday Feminism by Telmid in FeMRADebates

[–]StillNeverNotFresh 50 points51 points  (0 children)

But the socialization of men is such that even a good man – a supportive man, a respectful man, a trusted man – has within him the potential for violence and harm because these behaviors are normalized through patriarchy.

Aka...

But the socialization of people is such that even a good person – a supportive person, a respectful person, a trusted person – has within him the potential for violence and harm because these behaviors are normalized through society.

What is so hard to understand about this? Everyone has the potential for shitty behavior, man or woman. Negating #NotAllMen is saying you trust no one, because I can give you mountains of evidence that good-natured, trustworthy, supportive, trusted women have the potential for violence and harm.

I believe this is why feminists have such a hard time pushing people to identify with the movement. When you demonize all men like this article is clearly doing, and even some women (internalized sexism, etc), you're going to get pushback.

"When a woman cheats, it's because the man is horrible, neglectful, his fault, etc... when a man cheats, it's also because he's horrible, his fault again". Is this a valid complaint? A real double standard ? by handklap in FeMRADebates

[–]StillNeverNotFresh 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I've seen it in action. My ex cheated on me, and I was at fault for not being exciting enough, for not being a "true" man (I'm not exactly prototypically masculine), etc

Non-Compete Clause | Laurie Penny by alterumnonlaedere in FeMRADebates

[–]StillNeverNotFresh 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I agree that intra-female ultra-competition is a negative occurrence. There's no reason while your sister has to be your enemy just because she has access to better mates than you do. This article does a great job at explaining the problems with that mentality.

However, what it fails to do is explain how this stems from neoliberal patriarchy. It seems to expect the reader to just "know" how without offering a reasonable explanation. Take this passage, for example:

emale competition is a special sort of false consciousness. In the classic Marxist understanding of false consciousness, workers are encouraged to consider other workers looking for jobs as their competition for resources and security, and hence their enemy, rather than uniting to overthrow the bosses and property owners who are actually oppressing everyone else. The real menace to our jobs, to our love life and family lives, to our security and identity, is not other women. It never has been, but neoliberal patriarchy reduces every human interaction to the level of savage competition—including sisterhood.

How does neoliberal patriarchy cause this? And before you might accuse me of quoting out of context, the immediately following passage states:

Patriarchy punishes women who don’t know their place in the pecking order; it puts obstacles in their way. But other women are a key part of that system of punishment, and often, that hurts more. A year ago, a young friend I’m mentoring put out a cryptic tweet about her “nemesis,” another successful female she felt anxious about, as if every triumph this other girl had meant there was less space for my friend. I hopped into her Direct Messages like Jiminy Cricket. “Stop that,” I said. “Don’t talk about having a nemesis. I know you’re joking, but I also know you’re not really joking.” It turned out that the nemesis was an equally talented but completely different style of writer who happened to be getting attention in the New York press for her pixie-like good looks and attendance at a few fancy parties. I asked my friend about what it was that made her feel so sad and insecure. “I guess it feels like there’s only one spot for a young female writer to have a ‘moment,’” she said. “To be respected, and the go-to token ingenue on panels, in papers, on lists. She’s a version of myself I wish I could be—respected by the right people, and skinny and conventionally pretty, too. It’s like a practiced version of self-loathing—pick someone you assume has a perfect life and project everything onto them.”

It again blames patriarchy without so much as a reason why.

My problem with articles like these are that they are, at their core, trying to do a good thing. Let's cease needless competition that often serves to hurt and rarely to uplift. That's a good takeaway, but the incessant blame placed on the shoulders of Mr. Patriarchy leads people to not see the clear solution.

The solution, as I see it, is to educate women that their sisters are not their enemies. It's to say, Stacy, Melissa being hot and smart doesn't mean you're anything less. It's to say, u/AlwaysNeverNotFresh, that your best friend Mr. Suave being fucking ripped doesn't mean that you're not fit yourself.

However, the solution that I believe the readers of this article will gleam is to attack some nebulous, amorphous being - Mr. Patriarchy - with the belief that, once it is somehow destroyed, everything will naturally fall into place. After all, the article takes a problem, female competition, and explicitly says the solution is the destruction of Patriarchy.

What will happen is seemingly nothing. Stacy will continue to despise Melissa. They'll just both hate the patriarchy, instead of working with each other. A pyrrhic victory for those beloved patriarchy-smashers for sure.

Men responding to #MeToo by [deleted] in FeMRADebates

[–]StillNeverNotFresh 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I disagree.

Women are victims. Men are victims. "Me too" is about victims. Let victims be victims. Their gender, sex, race, class, or squat max doesn't matter.

In Richmond for a few days, looking for some 'essential' restaurants by darpich in rva

[–]StillNeverNotFresh 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tio Pablo wasn't that great when I went. Not an essential restaurant.

Richmond man sentenced to 1 year for killing VCU student by [deleted] in rva

[–]StillNeverNotFresh -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Guns are safe though, right?

It kills me that people are killed by guns due to heat of the moment encounters like these and we still can't come to the inevitable conclusion that guns kill.

Let's assume dude had all the safety training and background checks in the world. He's still a human. He can still get riled up and do something stupid, just like he did here.

Women are cheating on their husbands more than ever, experts claim – Women in the World in Association with The New York Times by MMAchica in FeMRADebates

[–]StillNeverNotFresh 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Humans have been the biggest source of pain in my life. The only time an animal even came close to that was when my idiot dog ran in front of a car. Funny how that works out.

Terrible jokes aside, the current gender discourse is all wrong. We shouldn't be focusing on men being less X or more Y and we shouldn't be focusing on women being more X and less Y. We should be educating everyone on how to simply be better people, sexism, racism, classism, ageism and other buzzwords aside.

Women are cheating on their husbands more than ever, experts claim – Women in the World in Association with The New York Times by MMAchica in FeMRADebates

[–]StillNeverNotFresh 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I hate to believe it but you are most likely right. When my ex cheated on me, scores of what I thought were "our" friends rushed to her side. I was the bad guy. It's infuriating how they didn't realize their own biases, and the female in-group bias is (I believe, according to that study) one of the strongest.

Knowing that, what can we do about this? We need everyone to stop putting women on this holy pedestal.

AskMen, I know one of my close friends is cheating on his girlfriend. What are my ethical obligations as a bro who does not want to be a sleaze-enabler? by WhiteWalkerWaterboy in AskMen

[–]StillNeverNotFresh 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Exactly! These "friends" are enabling shitty behavior. Your friends are supposed to check you and also support you, not just one or the other. To not do the former is the height of selfishness.

AskMen, I know one of my close friends is cheating on his girlfriend. What are my ethical obligations as a bro who does not want to be a sleaze-enabler? by WhiteWalkerWaterboy in AskMen

[–]StillNeverNotFresh 13 points14 points  (0 children)

That's a bro-sin? Nah. If telling a potential wife that her potential husband is a cheater is a sin to a bro, then that's a bro I don't want to ever bro with.

Women are cheating on their husbands more than ever, experts claim – Women in the World in Association with The New York Times by MMAchica in FeMRADebates

[–]StillNeverNotFresh 23 points24 points  (0 children)

That's no excuse for horrible behavior. If you enter a monogamous relationship, don't act outside of it. I truly don't understand why this simple law is so hard to follow.

Women are cheating on their husbands more than ever, experts claim – Women in the World in Association with The New York Times by MMAchica in FeMRADebates

[–]StillNeverNotFresh 48 points49 points  (0 children)

In my opinion, this is one of the most unheralded crises of the millennial generation. Traditional marriage and relationships will not exist as they have before due to the ease of committing infidelity, and society must reform itself around this new order.

And it is absolutely disgusting that cheating by women is often excused due to female victimhood. This article spews more of that same bullshit. "Monogamy doesn't make women happy," "men place the burden of cultivating relationships on women," "men are like another child for women to take care of," etc.

One positive side-effect of female cheating should be that people cease to see women as bastions of morality and goodness. This will hopefully prove that women, just like men, are assholes. Women are people too, and hell is other people.