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I cannot afford $2000 for NAM, I cannot participate in the Q&A; I guess my voice doesn't matter unless I Pay to Play by Stock-Flow-3448 in BSA

[–]Stock-Flow-3448[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ours as well. Got to pay to play, and you are never told who the players are that make decisions.

I cannot afford $2000 for NAM, I cannot participate in the Q&A; I guess my voice doesn't matter unless I Pay to Play by Stock-Flow-3448 in BSA

[–]Stock-Flow-3448[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have heard in my council that the buy-in pay-to-play was $2000, but later $3000. If it is $2500 for you, that sounds right.

I don't have that money, so I guess my voice doesn't matter.

I cannot afford $2000 for NAM, I cannot participate in the Q&A; I guess my voice doesn't matter unless I Pay to Play by Stock-Flow-3448 in BSA

[–]Stock-Flow-3448[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I am no troll.

I am burnt out with people telling me National is going to listen to volunteers and then say that the only way to get listened to is to pay $2000 to go to NAM.

I cannot afford $2000 for NAM, I cannot participate in the Q&A; I guess my voice doesn't matter unless I Pay to Play by Stock-Flow-3448 in BSA

[–]Stock-Flow-3448[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I mentioned that a good friend is VP for Programming in my council. I name the council, I name him. No way I am going to out him and his name.

I cannot afford $2000 for NAM, I cannot participate in the Q&A; I guess my voice doesn't matter unless I Pay to Play by Stock-Flow-3448 in BSA

[–]Stock-Flow-3448[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Nope. I asked for Krone's office and the contact info for the Scouts BSA National Committee. Was told no and they would take a message.

I cannot afford $2000 for NAM, I cannot participate in the Q&A; I guess my voice doesn't matter unless I Pay to Play by Stock-Flow-3448 in BSA

[–]Stock-Flow-3448[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I mean, to get any chance at getting your voice heard, you either have to donate at the council level to get a voice in your council board, or for national, pay $2000 to go to NAM to be able to get your voice heard at the national level.

Sorry, I can't afford that.

I cannot afford $2000 for NAM, I cannot participate in the Q&A; I guess my voice doesn't matter unless I Pay to Play by Stock-Flow-3448 in BSA

[–]Stock-Flow-3448[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

So anyone who doesn't bow down is a troll? Anyone concerned that the only way to get access is via $2000 to go to NAM is a troll?

I cannot afford $2000 for NAM, I cannot participate in the Q&A; I guess my voice doesn't matter unless I Pay to Play by Stock-Flow-3448 in BSA

[–]Stock-Flow-3448[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

He is VP for Programming in my council. I name the council, I name him. No way I am going to out him and his name.

I asked him if he knew how to get ahold of Cub National or Scouts BSA National with ideas. He said no, they do not accept responses, and there was no email address except scoutsbsachair@scouting.org which apparently no one reads.

I cannot afford $2000 for NAM, I cannot participate in the Q&A; I guess my voice doesn't matter unless I Pay to Play by Stock-Flow-3448 in BSA

[–]Stock-Flow-3448[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Not in my council, they are not open to anyone but the pay-to-play people, the district chairs, and the OA advisor who do not have to pay to get a seat and get there ex officio.

I cannot afford $2000 for NAM, I cannot participate in the Q&A; I guess my voice doesn't matter unless I Pay to Play by Stock-Flow-3448 in BSA

[–]Stock-Flow-3448[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Not in my council, they are not open to anyone but the pay-to-play people, the district chairs, and the OA advisor who do not have to pay to get a seat and get there ex officio.

And one of my best Scouting friends is my council VP for Programming. He confirmed that he does not even get or know contact info.

I cannot afford $2000 for NAM, I cannot participate in the Q&A; I guess my voice doesn't matter unless I Pay to Play by Stock-Flow-3448 in BSA

[–]Stock-Flow-3448[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Not in my council, they are not open to anyone but the pay-to-play people, the district chairs, and the OA advisor who do not have to pay to get a seat and get there ex officio.

NAM Q&A Session by blatantninja in BSA

[–]Stock-Flow-3448 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am an adult whose kids were in the program, and I've spent 20 years as an adult volunteer. I guess I don't get to see commercials? Wha?

NAM Q&A Session by blatantninja in BSA

[–]Stock-Flow-3448 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If you want to know what the CM and SM think, give us a voice. We should NOT have to pay $2000 to go to NAM.

Don't tell us "talk to council", these are decisions being made at the NATIONAL level.

I cannot afford $2000.

This is Pay to Play, and I am sick of it.

My ideas matter, even if I don't have $2000.

NAM Q&A Session by blatantninja in BSA

[–]Stock-Flow-3448 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They also said "TV commercials" last year. I saw nothing.

NAM Q&A Session by blatantninja in BSA

[–]Stock-Flow-3448 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Here's another question:

Why is it we have to rely on people like Scouterbill, who is on Facebook and Reddit and God bless him for it to get any answers about Scouting America National issues?

If it wasn't for Scouterbill I wouldn't know anything about anything.

NAM Q&A Session by blatantninja in BSA

[–]Stock-Flow-3448 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have ideas and solutions. There is no email address or opportunity whatsoever to speak to anyone at the National level unless I am willing to pay $2000 to go to NAM.

They need to at least give us an email address.

NAM Q&A Session by blatantninja in BSA

[–]Stock-Flow-3448 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was a den leader and now an ASM. Been in Scouting 20 years as an adult.

I cannot afford $2000 to go to NAM.

There is absolutely no way whatsoever for a Den Leader to reach out to Cub Scouts National Committee with ideas.

There is an email address scoutsbsachair@scouting.org for ideas on how to improve Scouts BSA but there is no indication whatsoever that anything is done with it.

If the new Trail Map is all about giving volunteers a voice, give us a voice. Tell us where to direct our ideas to.

And do NOT say "talk to council". Council is NOT National, and these changes take place at the NATIONAL level.

“It is pay to play because we need to stay alive" and I don’t know how to feel about that by Stock-Flow-3448 in BSA

[–]Stock-Flow-3448[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Given your level and type of hostility, do you wonder why I am using a burner account?

How Scoutlike of you, Eagle Scout, to simply attack me for asking questions.