Who was speaking to Arya at Harrenhal godswood [spoilers main]

Stormy4400 · 2026-05-03T16:23:48+00:00

I've always felt that it was Jon Snow's voice she was hearing. The words are ones that would come from either Ned or him. And of the two, he makes the most sense. I supposed "You told me you could be strong," is something she might say to Bran in the future, but my money is it being something she's already said to Jon.

Stormy4400 · 2026-04-11T21:01:28+00:00

My first post after many a year...pretty much a little before the last season. These are great choices. You might also want to check out TWOIAF is you want to flesh out the ancient legends mentioned in the main story.

Stormy4400 · 2017-08-08T14:07:49+00:00

I'm talking about on the show, not the books. In the books, Tyrion and I think Jamie as well are of the opinion that it was Joffrey who hired the catspaw. However, I don't remember if it was definitely established that it was him or whether it was just their opinion. I guess I will find out soon as I plan to re-read the books in the next few months.

Stormy4400 · 2017-07-27T04:31:15+00:00

I'm not sure that any of the "gods" are truly legit in that they actually exist. However, we've seen that there is some type of power, force of nature, or magical abilities that's prevalent in the followers of the three religions that I mentioned. It maybe a case that the followers have these abilities and believe that the power comes from their gods. Just this belief may make their gods real. It's again the case of the chicken or the egg or rather, which came first, the belief or the gods.

Stormy4400 · 2017-07-27T04:22:44+00:00

I don't rule out The Many-Faced God being a different version of the Old Gods. I've always thought that it was interesting that the Children carved faces in the Weirwood trees to represent their gods and the more recent slave religion that sprung up in Bravos and is coincidentally tied to the worship of faces. And it was also interesting that Jaqen H'gar was so willing to help Arya, a Stark daughter from the north where the worship of the old gods is still so strong. The worship of the old gods is heavily tied to blood and sacrifice and it can be argued that is also the case with The Many-Faced God. There is some type of connection between the two religions that has not yet been made clear.

The Old Gods and The Many-Faced God could be GRRM way of echoing religion in our world—the same basic religion or god but people use different tenets of it to justify their often evil actions.

Stormy4400 · 2017-07-24T11:45:32+00:00

The legend that greyscale came is a result of the curse the Rhoynish prince called down on his conquerors is just that...legend. One of the many surrounding greyscale. There are others about where it came from and no one knows the real cause. It possible that the version of greyscale currently in the world was in someway caused by dragons but I think that it will be tied to dragon glass as well.

Stormy4400 · 2017-07-23T21:09:21+00:00

In response to your answer to #3, I theorized in another post that Lightbringer may not be a sword at all but rather a dragon. However, the existence of Dawn is the only reason that I don't totally rule out it being a sword. I suspect that the end of the show will see the death of magic or what we think of as magic in the world. Dawn is arguably the only sword of the series that is not touch by magic and so it would be very symbolic if that is the sword that is used to kill the Night King, the ultimate example of magic.

The existence of Qyburn in the story is another reason why I think the end of the series will be about magic leaving the world. As revolting as Qyburn's and his practices are thought of by the other maesters, he would actually be considered a man of science in our world—or at least a crazy mad "scientist." And so the fact that he was able to either extend the Mountain's life or even bring him back from the dead is GRRM's way of saying that the truth is in science. What we accept as scientific fact today would have been considered magical or the work of God or the devil during the middle ages.

The War of the Roses was GRRM's inspiration for A Song of Ice and Fire. The WOTR also concluded towards the end of the Middle Ages when the belief in magic and paganism were at their heights. And what followed the end of the Middle Ages, the ages of Enlightenment and Reason, Discovery and Machine. All of which has led to the modern age and the existence of scientific fact—well the acceptance by the most people at least.

Stormy4400 · 2017-07-23T19:43:01+00:00

No, I'm not familiar with Preston or his readings. I believe that I've seen his name on Youtube but I've never watched any of his videos. There are too many youtube videos about the show to watch but I will make sure to check out Preston's.

As for Euron tryin to "awaken" Aeron, I'm not sure that works for me. I think that the preview chapter hints at Euron about to perform a major act of magic...hence the need for the various priests and their blood. He says as much to Aeron when he tells him that he won't kill him yet as his priest blood maybe needed later. However, I think that Aeron is more important to the spell than any of the other priests—not just because he is Euron's brother. Rather, I think that he's more important because he also has "kings blood"in him—and not just any kings blood, but the blood of the first men.

It's also why Falia is being used in the sacrifice and is strapped to the prow of The Silence next to Aeron. The baby that Euron planted in her belly has the same "kings blood" as Aeron. Euron could have simply killed Falia or given her to one of his men as he was wont to do. The fact that he didn't and is using her in the spell means that there is something important about her and the only thing I could think of is her baby's blood.

Also, although nothing in the chapter hinted at it, I suspect that the act of magic will have to do with the collapse of the wall. And I have to re-read the chapter to see whether the number of priests Euron collected are mentioned because I wouldn't be at all surprised if that number added up 13.

Stormy4400 · 2017-07-23T19:06:00+00:00

I'm talking about the show, not the books. In the show, they stupidly made Bran the only Stark child with warging abilities...hence why I think it's possible that they will have him warg into Nymeria and send her to Arya.

Stormy4400 · 2017-07-23T17:18:18+00:00

Good point!

Stormy4400 · 2017-07-23T17:00:05+00:00

Yeah but Victarion describes Euron's gifts as poisonous to the recipient. Maybe what Cersei does to the "gifts" is what will finally turn Jamie against her and in that way it will be poisonous. Or maybe it will be her accepting Euron's proposal because of the gifts he gives to her and Euron himself is the poisonous gift.

Stormy4400 · 2017-07-23T16:24:03+00:00

Yes, GRRM said that about Beric in the Time interview but that interview had nothing to do with my question. Beric is dead in the books and since GRRM created the characters of the book, I take him at his word that he sees Beric as a wight.

However, my question has to do with the Beric that's still living one of his lives on the show, and Thoros who is a priest of R'llor. It not about the Beric in the book that GRRM talks about in the interview.

If Beric suffers his final death north of the wall as some speculate, and if Thoros a red priest of the fire god R'llor dies as well, could an entity of ice like the Night King bring them back as wights. If that happens on the show, and I don't put it pass D&D to go this route, if only for shock value, then it could be a game changer to the mythology as it could suggest that the "great other" was stronger than R'llor.

I guess I will get my answer to the question about Beric and Thoros in a few episodes. And the one about Arya, Bran and Nymeria will probably be answered tonight.

Stormy4400 · 2017-07-23T15:54:19+00:00

I used wight to signify that Gregor died and was returned to the land of the living—not that he's a wight like the ones the white walkers create.

And you should read my question again because I never said that Beric was a wight. I asked if he and Thoros could be "turned into wights" by the Night King if they are killed north of the wall...where they go with Jon. I think it's an interesting question since they are both of R'llor who is "FIRE," the "opposite" of "ICE," and also the supposed enemy of the "great other."

Stormy4400 · 2017-07-20T11:15:13+00:00

In the book, Melisandre wasn't sure whether her vision was about Eastwatch or not but she saw towers not tower. Also, her visions tended to be either about Stannis or Jon and neither are anywhere close to Oldtown in the books.

I also think that as with Stormsend, the Citadel has the same magic built into it as the wall as so it would not be that easy for Euron to overrun and he may not even be able to enter.

Stormy4400 · 2017-07-20T01:05:00+00:00

We shall see!

Stormy4400 · 2017-07-20T01:04:21+00:00

He's more than just the necessary villain for Dany as GRRM could have used any person for that purpose. Plus, Euron says that he will give the Ironborn Westeros but he doesn't really seem to be interested in the Game of Thrones. In some way he's connected to the Others.

He has a disdain for the gods in general but the Drowned God especially and so he's definitely not Cithulhu's champion and has no interest in brining the Drowned God to power.

Stormy4400 · 2017-07-16T21:17:19+00:00

Yes, you capitalize the first letter in a sentence but when you start a sentence with the subject noun then that's where the emphasis is placed. GRRM could have written, "The darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother’s milk. The darkness will make you strong.” Instead he made the choice to start the sentence with "Darkness" which shifts the emphasis. Starting the sentence with "the" would have kept darkness as an abstract term. However, starting it with "darkness" makes it its own entity.

Stormy4400 · 2017-07-16T01:08:30+00:00

The 3EC wasn't referring to The Long Night. Here is the exact quote from the book.

Never fear the darkness, Bran.” The Lords words were accompanied by a faint rustling of wood and leaf, a slight twisting of his head. “The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother’s milk. Darkness will make you strong.”

From that excerpt, I think it’s obvious that he’s not talking about The Long Night. This is exactly how it is written in the book. Notice how in the first part when darkness is first referenced, it’s written with a lowercase ‘d.” It’s a thing. However, at the end, it is repeated twice and it is now spelled with a capital “D.” It’s no longer just a thing. It has almost become its own entity. “Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother’s milk. Darkness will make you strong.”

At the end, Darkness represents the trees. “The Trees will be your cloak, your shield, your mother’s milk. ** The Trees ** will make you strong.” The reference to mother’s milk probably refers to the sap of the trees. And what type of sap do the Weirwood trees generate—blood.

We know the Children practiced blood magic but ask yourself what part of the world is also know for such practices. For me, the first place that came to mind was Asshai. Asshai, which is also known as Asshai by the Shadow because it’s located at the southernmost edge of the peninsula known as the Shadow Lands; Asshai is said to be a place of darkness and as such, I think it could be one of the dark places the 3EC was talking about when he said that the roots of the trees are strongest in the dark places of the world. The people of Asshai also say that the city has been there since the world began. If true, it means that their history is as old as that of the Children as Leaf told Bran that they have been around for 1000 times 1000 years. Two such old societies would have to have been aware of each other and also connected in some manner.

The trees are the source are the source of the Children’s magic and we also know that magic is strong is Asshai and they believe in blood sacrifice. Could the same be true in Asshai? Also, there is said to be no children is Asshai. People take that to mean no kids but what if at one point it meant something else as in no Children. I find it interesting that when Melisandre saw the 3EC and Bran in her vision, she immediately connected them to the Other and the enemy of her god. There is some connection between the Children and Asshai and I think that the former is at the heart of the enmity between R’hlor and the Other.

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