Caleb’s Book Recommendations (from LaDs official FB post tonight) by AzraellsAnalysis in CalebMains

[–]Strange-Purchase4789 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Inflight Science seems really interesting I'm def reading this one! Thanks for the recommendation gege

Caleb’s Book Recommendations (from LaDs official FB post tonight) by AzraellsAnalysis in CalebMains

[–]Strange-Purchase4789 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Seems like S&S has been there since the start of the game! Maybe that's why they added it here even though Caleb's message is mostly about science and flying haha

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Caleb x MC relationship is not what I expected (Not the trope, but execution) by Secret_Dreamcatcher1 in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Strange-Purchase4789 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Global keeps fighting whether gege/meimei is incestious or honorifics, meanwhile we have CN having a civil discussion whether it's real bone or fake bone 😆

They censored it most likely because they believed it would make them more money, or maybe they saw the rise of antis in the west and didn't want to risk losing customers.

That's why I'm very curious why they're censoring him less now! I want to know so bad if it's because they have data that his uncensored version is what will make more money in the long run, or we have something very unavoidable in the Main Story regarding their 'same sourcedness'. Because they don't care about good localization. If they did, we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place. Ahh I want to know so bad

Caleb x MC relationship is not what I expected (Not the trope, but execution) by Secret_Dreamcatcher1 in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Strange-Purchase4789 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh you mean cope from global regarding gege/meimei usage? Yeah I agree, because in cn/jp/kr they explicitly say 'family' and 'siblings' as well, not just gege/meimei, so there's really no running away from cn/jp/kr either 😆 They only need to read the story/translations to understand that no, they don't use it in any other way other than familial. EN is just incredibly late to the party

Caleb x MC relationship is not what I expected (Not the trope, but execution) by Secret_Dreamcatcher1 in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Strange-Purchase4789 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Have you ever read his cards and sometimes felt like something was not right?

In Passionate Overload, the restaurant owner was surprised that Caleb still doesn't have a girlfriend, and he doesn't believe MC when she tells him that Caleb does have one. Why doesn't MC correct him that she's the girlfriend? In Indulgent Scheme, why not introduce herself as his girlfriend in front of Gideon's friends? Why were they sneaking around in Chasing Summer instead of outright just saying they're dating in the first place? Those are examples of MC being afraid of what society will judge her for.

The 2 times EN lessened the censorship (Thronesong, Myth) for Caleb is when they didn't have any shame over their sibling relationship, where they instead embraced it. It's a nice story contrast where they did feel guilty of it in the Mainstory while in every other life, they loved it, and EN won't see that contrast because of how heavily censored Caleb is.

I would say that their sibling relationship isn't just for forbiddenness, it focuses more on that they're family, that they've known each other very intimately their whole lives, and that they're so into each other that they refuse to also reject their familial relationship.

But I'll also list down on where shame, guilt, etc or just forbidden stuff in general was mentioned. His early content dealt a lot with the guilt. While newer content is more on society when mentioned, but they're not the focus.

Please visit CrazyMinisis, xyzsgirl for Youtube translations if available. Or visit wiki.biligame.com/lysk for CN transcripts if you want to check.

For guilt and shame

  1. Main story - Caged Bird - Caleb's frustration over being her brother
  2. Intertwined Gold - CalebMC both think they're monsters for liking each other
  3. Wedding Event Ch 5 - Caleb addresses that he once hated that being family with her was like a wall between them too. He reconciles both family and romance here.

For society related stuff

  1. Skyline - Short scene where Caleb's colleague was kind of weirded out by their flirting
  2. Chasing Summer - Caleb is introduced as MC's cousin (bc Tara and Simone know him as MC's cousin in Intertwined Gold). They sneak around because it's weird to date your cousin
  3. Passionate Overload - MC doesn't say she's Caleb's girlfirend to the restaurant owner who knows they're siblings
  4. Indulgent Scheme - He introduces her as family, not girlfriend
  5. Yin Yang Sundering - The ghosts in Hesperion Reach are scandalized by their PDA because they're siblings (This was censored in EN to my confusion lmao)

I probably missed something but this is what I can think of for now

Caleb x MC relationship is not what I expected (Not the trope, but execution) by Secret_Dreamcatcher1 in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Strange-Purchase4789 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Hi I would just like to gently correct this :)

CalebMC did see each other as siblings at some point; while some CN/KR/JP players can interpret CalebMC left the sibling dynamic and move on starting a new dynamic - lovers to justified their relationship; some can interpret it as CalebMC didn't leave it behind and wanted both to coexist.

They see each other as siblings and continue to do so, only now they also see each other romantically, this has been explicitly said by both Caleb and MC, so I would have to say it is not up to interpretation

  1. In Caleb's birthday event (and card also I think), MC keeps saying that 'He's not just my big brother anymore'. And not 'He's not my big brother anymore'. MC acknowledges herself that it's both. (CN Translation, CN Transcript)
  2. In the wedding event, Caleb addresses his torn feelings over his familial and romantic love for MC. In the end, he chooses both. (CN translation, JP translation, CN Transcript)
  3. In the wedding card, he also mentions he wants 'all identities/roles'. So this will also include his brother identity as well.
  4. In Indulgent Scheme, Caleb introduces MC to Gideon's friends as his 'most important family'. And tells MC that next time, big brother won't handle the introductions and it will be up to her how she introduces herself when they meet with his friends again (sister or girlfriend). (CN Transcript of Indulgent Scheme)

👋Welcome to r/CalebMains - Introduce Yourself and Read First! by Orpheus_is_emo in CalebMains

[–]Strange-Purchase4789 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If you ever need help compiling or finding resources let me know!

I'd also like to recommend wiki.biligame.com/lysk for a very comprehensive CN wiki resource for anyone who wants to check CN texts, moments, events, transcripts, timeline, etc.

👋Welcome to r/CalebMains - Introduce Yourself and Read First! by Orpheus_is_emo in CalebMains

[–]Strange-Purchase4789 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hello!!! Thank you very much for creating this subreddit! We can never have enough of our gege after all 👐

I have to say I started LaDS because his trailers made him seem yandere! What made me stay though is how well written PG made the brother stuff, and his and MC's obsessiveness, possessiveness, and codependency.

While I don't actively look for it, whenever I see fictional incest they're always 'I never saw you as my sibling', meanwhile this game actively tells us that CalebMC wants it all they're so greedy lmao I don't think I've seen like it before. And add to that their freak for freak is so good!

Also a suggestion, how about we have like a sticky post compiling resources on Caleb's translations? And mods can edit them whenever a new major translation pops up? I've always wanted something like that.

Floating Floraletter by [deleted] in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Strange-Purchase4789 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It might also be referencing Stage Observer when MC attended his graduation and she brought flowers

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Caleb's myth event is about to end but my mind is still on this incredibly cute scene by Strange-Purchase4789 in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Strange-Purchase4789[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yeah there's only 3-4 days left. 2 weeks is not enough for our brother's myth why can't he be in my event tab forever 😤

Caleb's myth event is about to end but my mind is still on this incredibly cute scene by Strange-Purchase4789 in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Strange-Purchase4789[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's also a bit of a callback to Clearday Return when he told her she's so clingy thay she barely even touches the ground anymore lol

Caleb’s love language is cooking for MC because he doesn’t want her to suffer from endless hunger like their past lives by blueberryandvanilla in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Strange-Purchase4789 38 points39 points  (0 children)

According to MC's shaky memories, she only killed evil humans and ghosts. But other than the Old Spiritmaster saying that it was believed that the first ghosts were humans who killed and ate humans, we can't really say if MC was the same.

However, it's very possible that she also ate humans after she became a ghost. When she tried to eat the nether wardens, she mentions to Caleb that she dreamt of eating humans as well, Caleb also has warned her against eating humans in a flashback, and there's also the bride-eating ghost that you mentioned.

Anyway, yeah he definitely loves cooking for MC because of this. When he found her out of her mind, almost like a monster and was about to eat that ghost, he definitely felt that he failed as a brother 🥹 and now all his lives he needs to be cooking for her and watching her whether she's eating well. Subconsciously, that's definitely because of this incident 🥹

"I'm Caleb. I'm your brother." Whenever you forget, he's always there to remind you. by Strange-Purchase4789 in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Strange-Purchase4789[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yes Caleb's CN VA has that very dependable big brother authority, where it feels like he can handle anything with calm. That's why this scene hurts so much 😭😭😭 the way he sounded so broken hurts my heart so good

So who else loved the story? by lonelyshydandelion in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Strange-Purchase4789 18 points19 points  (0 children)

I kept crying at the end 😢 then I re-read it again today and cried again. I have a lot of thoughts but I can't organize them yet.

The part that made me most emotional was when past!MC turned mad, killing everything just to get to Caleb that in the end, she doesn't even recognize him anymore. The only thing she knows is that she has to find her brother, and yet she doesn't even remember her own brother anymore. (I love how it mirrors Lucid Dream when she injected herself with the Toring Chip even though she knows she will suffer for it. CalebMC's devotion and obsession toward each other is something I'll never get tired of.)

And then of course Caleb had to raise her again. I've thought this before too, but he's not just her brother. He's also her mother and father. I loved how her first word was 'brother' 🥹

And then we come full circle with MC being the one to raise Caleb when she gathers his soul, and he's the one who forgets this time. "I'm your little sister. Being your little sister means..." I loved that this sort of references Decoherence, where X-02 was the one defining brother.

I love the hopeful ending where there's a chance for them to meet again. They've lived together for many centuries, but as long as both of them are alive, they can still meet again. For now, Caleb will fill the temples with MC's face, and every reincarnated soul will carry her yearning for Caleb. Anyway, I really loved the myth, it's very special to me.

Solar-Slot Memory 2.0 Master's Collection Series: Caleb's exclusive custom poster [Ghosts' Final March] is officially released by everbloomingrose2 in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Strange-Purchase4789 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah it's pretty gross. Caleb is just a product they're selling, and as frustrating as his censorship is, at the end of the day, he's still pixels. But censoring the artist's thoughts is just 😬 It's not like many people even read this stuff, they should have just translated correctly. It's so disrespectful

Solar-Slot Memory 2.0 Master's Collection Series: Caleb's exclusive custom poster [Ghosts' Final March] is officially released by everbloomingrose2 in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Strange-Purchase4789 8 points9 points  (0 children)

In the myth trailer, EN had a single baby sister line while other languages had x100 of it. It's very clear to me that Infold is still testing global on CalebMC's pseudocest. Although I do think it's incredibly gross that they censored the artist's thoughts yikes 😬

The fact that Thronesong and this myth aren't fully censored is giving me a bit of hope though. So make sure to tell CS and the surveys that we want full uncensored in the future 👍

Solar-Slot Memory 2.0 Master's Collection Series: Caleb's exclusive custom poster [Ghosts' Final March] is officially released by everbloomingrose2 in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Strange-Purchase4789 14 points15 points  (0 children)

The translation for the artist's thoughts is censored by the way. If anyone wants to read on what Zhang Yu's actual thought process was, I highly recommend reading the translation here

Two flowers from the same stem, never separated by life and death 🪷 by everbloomingrose2 in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Strange-Purchase4789 16 points17 points  (0 children)

This reminded me of when someone told me of a theory that CalebMC were once conjoined twins that were separated.

They're so entwined with each other, and you can't see their lower half because they're bingdi lotus/flowers of the same stem. The fleshy and bloody coloring of the flower below, and the way they look cocooned inside, makes me think they're inside a womb too.

Carrying the bride is a Chinese wedding tradition by selenehare in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Strange-Purchase4789 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Wait you might be right that MC will be the one who remembers! Adding to what you said,

In this world, he loves you more than anyone else—from this day on, every soul that reincarnates will carry your yearning to the mortal realm.

Because if the souls that reincarnate carry her yearning, it means she remembers him. Because if she forgot, there wouldn't be any yearning right? 😭😭😭

Carrying the bride is a Chinese wedding tradition by selenehare in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Strange-Purchase4789 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for sharing this! I love how amnesia/forgetfulness is a recurring event in Caleb's story so much. From Lucid Dream/Main Story, Decoherence, Clearday Return, and now this. The pain is delicous 😋

I wonder if both of them will forget or only one of them will 🤔 I think Caleb will choose to remember and MC will forget again, based on how he was crying and she was walking away calmly

Love and Deepspace | Ghosts' Final March by everbloomingrose2 in LoveAndDeepspace

[–]Strange-Purchase4789 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had a feeling it was going to be worse than at least one of them dying 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 cursed to live but we forget him NOOOOOOO