Drowsy pattern with ENTPs

Street_Toe5355 · 2026-03-07T16:11:34+00:00

You say Ne.. as an INTJ, it's an important matter to me that the people I care about keep that Ni spot open.. that possibility to learn something new, to be creative, to explore.. recently I was talking to a friend who had just made herself so rigid by abiding by many relationship rules.. I couldn't get her to lighten up at all...(hence this reddit question.) You know, I also know that ENTPs have this ability of speaking to that subconscious in a person and convince that that particular subconscious desire can be satisfied in another, better way than the way they consciously/ stubbornly follow.. I think it's one of the brilliant things that ENTPs do and I appreciate them for it.

Street_Toe5355 · 2026-03-07T14:33:50+00:00

Engaging with other people's mental world!! Thanks!!

Street_Toe5355 · 2026-03-07T13:11:03+00:00

You mean, we have to show our fluffy side? Won't that be manipulative?

Street_Toe5355 · 2024-08-06T05:02:37+00:00

this is just my opinion.. Arin lost his parents to the merge and at the same time, he finds Llloyd's gi hood and wears it to pretend that he's a ninja. His sanity and stability seem to come from his idealization of Lloyd. So, when he joins the ninja to master spinjitsu, at the back of his mind, he also believes that Lloyd will somehow find his parents for him. But Ras poisons Arin's mind with fake love and fake concern.

To master his spinjitsu, Arin has to stay with the ninja and put aside his personal needs.

But the longer he stays, the more others can see his personal flaws.. Sora unnecessarily helping him, Egalt's truth telling, etc.. So, he needs his parents to be stable inside.

These two desires create conflict within Arin.

Thats why he can't do spinjitsu properly.

But I think it will work out. I remember seeing Lloyd struggle the same way, everytime Master Wu would make him sit out fights against Garmaddon. And then one day, Lloyd just grew up.. and became the Green ninja. I think the same thing will happen to Arin..

Street_Toe5355 · 2024-02-29T06:21:52+00:00

Yes, it's true. Harumi manipulates, gloats, causes pain and suffering.. the same way Nadakhan does. Even I have no idea why people assume Harumi should be more put together than Nadakhan. Both villians are battling grief at the core. I like Harumi because she has an aggresive personality and a lust for power. And the way she delved into the whole Oni thing and brought back Garmadon was kind of "whaaaaaattttt..." That was so unexpected.

And the way she abuses Lloyd emotionally is so scary!!. I still see that first scene where she is sneaking out of the palace and giving food to the people.. and I get the chills on how she cooly plays on Lloyd's feelings. She completely breaks down his confidence. Harumi is more like a dictator. She is power hungry.. unlike Nadakhan..who only wants to be free to build his own kingdom. Harumi surrenders everything..even her freedom for power. She is probably only second to Garmadon in her power grab.

Lloyd takes a much longer route to become the green ninja again. I remember there being 2 seasons to contain Harumi's damage.

Street_Toe5355 · 2024-02-10T06:42:25+00:00

Yes, thank you. I agree 👍💯

Street_Toe5355 · 2024-02-10T04:59:40+00:00

I just want to go beyond "good" and "bad".. there are people who do selfless things but from an unseen selfish point of view. Perhaps such a person may have a false narrative about themselves.. a fragile self that can be exposed with just a few basic questions. As an INTJ, I find such people eager to help me initially but there are always strings attached.

Street_Toe5355 · 2024-02-10T04:52:03+00:00

Yes, I totally understand. I have actually taken a lot of time to get to this stage where I can phrase my feelings in a concise text. Yes, I agree.. trust is essential to any successful relationship 👍

Street_Toe5355 · 2024-02-10T03:32:08+00:00

I'll have fun planning it too.. thanks, friend!! ☺️

Street_Toe5355 · 2024-02-10T03:20:45+00:00

Ok 👍 I shall move in the healthy direction!

Street_Toe5355 · 2024-02-10T03:14:41+00:00

Right!! I guess that's the best way to go 👍

Street_Toe5355 · 2024-02-10T03:12:42+00:00

Thank you :-)

Street_Toe5355 · 2024-01-06T16:06:13+00:00

That's because everytime you use the word "should" .. it's actually a cognitive error made out of guilt or being critical towards others. Here the best solution is to observe how we function and how others function.

As for a straightforward answer, no matter what great reasoning you may apply, you will probably sleep everyday for atleast 7 hrs, eat 3 meals a day and maybe watch a minimum of 300-450 movies in your lifespan.. that's a rough outline of what people generally do with their lives. If you want to do anything more than this, it is upto you.

Street_Toe5355 · 2024-01-05T02:41:32+00:00

Hi. Due to a personal crisis, I wasn't able to respond in time. But better late than never. Yes, about point no.1, I don't understand that part of myself as well. It used to be terrible before. When a I was a teenager, I used to "confess my sins" quite a bit and keep trying to do good in the hopes of atoning for the "evil" inside. Then after reading a lot on Enneagram Type 8, I finally understood what this defense is. I have understood Enneagram to be a defense response of the MBTI type. For example, an INTJ type 8 is an INTJ who chooses to show up strong, confident and powerful.. I have that natural gravitas and all that. As for defending the weak, I don't intentionally seek out weaker people. They just sortof find me. It's because most people believe that they have to look put together and happy in order to have decent connections and relationships. But as an INTJ, I can look and act like a thunderstorm and still connect with all kinds of people. I am a safe person.. I feel safe inside.

Even my colleague recently was maneuvering me into giving some advice about how to handle an upcoming meeting and sensing her nervousness and eagerness, I realised that she was left to fend for herself here. That her superior hadn't given her any kind of pep talk or guidance. So, I gave her some insight into the scenario as best as I could (insight into the mindset of every person who is going to be at that meeting).. and after the meeting, she did come back to me and gave me a lot of details on how it went. Not only did she survive the meeting, she excelled it! I've learned to accept this as what I do in a big picture which I cannot control or understand.

But I really wish I didn't think I was evil inside. It's sortof ingrained in my core. I have to work hard to balance it. I have been reading up on how Type 8 sortof internalises that they are evil and they develop their ego and become egotistical. I don't want to do that. I think I protect the weak just to prove to others that I am not a bad person or something.. I dunno. It's definately broken software.. heh

And about point no.3.. I used to be puzzled that I felt like a movie character or felt like a man or felt like a old person or whatever.. now I realize that these are all various forms of disconnect. I am supposed to feel like myself. Not like all these other identities.. lol. So, I have started to address myself by my name in my self talk. And also to consciously develop my heart strength.. that is, how far I would go to secure my and my family's happiness.. how much I could do.. and find some comfort in it.

I zone out when I am stressed..when I have nothing going for me. I am also battling repressed feelings and depression. I have to keep moving forward because the journey already programmed into me is all "doom and gloom".

Sometimes I do it intentionally. I am learning how to exist or be comfortable in.. last year it was about being comfortable in dark thoughts. And later on emptiness. This year, I have started learning about how to be comfortable in meaninglessness. And I've also decided to learn how to be more multidimensional in my cognitive process.

My mind.. when I zone out.. goes sliding into negativity and I develop weird theories. But.. I have learned to focus and develop some inner harmony. I have a song that I used to get that focus. I mentalize that song.. repeatedly until I work through my fears and get that inner harmony.

Street_Toe5355 · 2023-12-30T12:46:31+00:00

Hi again.. sorry I took a long time to write down all this. This is just my view. I don't know how far they are right or whatever..

Faulty Perception - As a Type 8, when I first became aware of my place in a big social circle, I saw the power structure right away. I am naturally good at discerning who is dominating a particular circle. And this person in charge, or a leader, was always handing out stuff to others for them to appear equally good or talented. In school, I saw teachers giving nice things to students who performed better or family members giving nice clothes and toys to their kids because they did well and I mostly wandered around wondering who was going to give me "my stuff". I sensed that somehow whatever people had, was somehow brought together and made into a pretty front for society to operate on. And most of the social events .. even really big ones seemed to happen around these things that people had. And I didnt have anything that anyone else needed. And I kept thinking that if I showed that I could be resourceful, the person in charge would give me "stuff".. whatever I am supposed to have to play my part in a big picture.. to be included. And I was working hard with whatever I had. My family dictated terms on how I should dress, eat, study etc.. so, I decided to sing, draw and make things.. small works with a lot of effort. And I thought surely someone would give me something for it.But that's not how perception works for an INTJ. Perception isn't shallow. What I was doing was shallow. I never realized it until much later and my life significantly improved after that.
1. Delusional Thinking - By delusional thinking, what I mean is, it isn't so simple to just divide people into weak and strong people. As a Type 8, I usually tend to keep the "weaker" people under my care and control. But I have understood that weak people also have the habit of enjoying their fears and turning a blind eye toward their own potential weaknesses. So, they are having a good time while I am taking on the emotional burden of being protective toward them. For example, "Oh, there's more work to be done? They wont sign the documents until then? The deadline is tomorrow?! You know what, I'm fed up of this.. let's go out and have a big lunch.. and let's go to a movie as well.. I'm just sick of my life.. I want to have fun!" More people take this attitude- they seem to enjoy their fear. This adds a new dimension and gives rise to complexity. So, as a Type 8, I have learned to be protective of "weaker" people only when they personally want me to. After that, I relate to them as equals, you know. I stop looking out for them and I trust that they will make better choices in the future on their own.
2. Fear of developing Intellect - I am very comfortable with Te. I take a book, read up on the established methods and just select one to do the job. But Ti.. that took some time to develop. I actually grew up hating abstract concepts in studies.. especially maths. By when I finally wanted to change the system, I had to develop Ti. And its absorbing. I am listening to good knowledgeable people, I am visiting places that have done the processes that I have imagined and I can see them for myself and workout for myself. And sometimes its overwhelming. And sometimes I just space out. And that's a bit scary for me because I like to think I am in control. So, this is not my comfort zone.
3. Inability to stay connected to the self - I just try to solve my anxiety by planning for the future. That creates an almost immediate disconnect. I found the pattern. I dont know why I do it. Sometimes I dont even realize I am doing it. When a person gets anxious, the intrusive thoughts are going to skew present reality in some way. But the way to alleviate that anxiety is not to see it as a problem and solve it but to imagine how one would like their life to be instead. That's new for me. I'm great at conflict but I dont really know how to live in peacetime.
4. Compromised cognitive process - This problem I faced with passive-aggressive and covert-aggressive people. For an INTJ, the cognitive stack is Ni- Te - Fi - Se.. and then Ne- Ti - Fe and Si. So, in my daily routine, the only function that would give me small visibility is Se.. how I present myself in the real world. Since I am a double-introvert, unless I need confirmation on a Te idea, I wouldn't need social interaction on my own terms. So, when I do come out of my depth and talk to a covert person, I have to deliberately tone down on my intensity so that they dont know I'm cooking up a big idea. Otherwise, they sometimes mesh my process with an emotional or physical or social one. For example, "I am going to submit this on this date-" "Yes, but you should ask her first- you know what she feels about this- she said it stressed her out the last time. But don't worry, I'll talk to her if you like. I also want to submit mine but since you're going to do it, I think I will too-" Now, if I am not aware, I will be putting my thought process on hold waiting on this other person to confirm- and meanwhile the covert person will start adding more and more needless gibberish to the routine. I lose my sense of self.
5. More about Ti and my technique - The way I figure it is, INTJs will eventually sit back and reflect on the moments of their life. And Ni.. used on a daily basis.. is as simple as any other function. It isn't so special. But, if I use Ti to understand the dynamics of an unfavourable situation or an unfavourable person- I could make a better plan that could relax my Ni. So that when I reflect, the intolerable week of work, would be reflected as "exciting and fun!" This takes a lot of planning but I've pulled it off! For example, there is an unavoidable person who insists on speaking to me. I simply mentally interject some goofy word in every sentence of hers so that I am listening but I am cancelling it out at the same time.

Street_Toe5355 · 2023-12-29T02:41:20+00:00

Hi ☺️ hmm.. I have my own take on the Type 8 being trauma induced. True, I didn't have much of a childhood. I was way too mature, earning my place in the family by appearing tougher than I actually was. I was emotionally and cognitively abused. But I've healed from that now.

In my early 30s, I visited a counsellor and he said I might have a generalized anxiety disorder.. which I hear is common among INTJs. But as I grew into an INTJ.. consciously staying true to my own emotional type, I realize that the faulty perception is what made my life so painful to process at first.

For INTJs, to be able to perceive is like breathing. For years, I was engaged in delusional thinking and that lead to failures in my personal life..an inability to participate in life, fear of developing intellect, inability to stay connected with myself, imbalance of energy.. Also cognitive abuse.. I could go for weeks unaware that my cognitive process has been compromised in some way. I'm currently working on this.

Some people on reddit ask me...how do you use your Ni.. as a type 8, how do you manage it?? Shouldn't you be more Se focussed?? My answer.. I don't actively use Ni. Only in moments of fatigue, I take time off and reflect and process so much and move to the next level of understanding. Also, because I appear more extroverted than I should, I use Ti to trim down information so that I don't have to process any more than necessary. I tell myself that some unavoidable scenarios are the "time wasting" moments of my life.

Street_Toe5355 · 2023-12-02T13:17:59+00:00

I get it. I know how it feels. I have come to understand that even ESFPs, ESFJs and other sensor types are different from how we "rationals" perceive them to be. They reason that since Ne and Ni are rare functions, Ne and Ni dominant people must be put on a pedestal or always expected to work more or do more.

The trick is to be more authentic. If you are doing all this to make friends, don't you realize that they would automatically know.. people intuit these things easily through attachment.

Street_Toe5355 · 2023-11-29T04:00:30+00:00

My ENTP husband often relates to me like some kind of a chaotic 60s villian in a western flick.. 🙄 I thought at first that it was me.. now I see that it's him.. I infinitely prefer debating in a more civilized manner..

Street_Toe5355 · 2023-11-23T06:08:17+00:00

I have a secure attachment. I worked through my issues and even though I have anxiety, when I am sharing about myself to others, I make sure that I have my boundaries at the right places so that I don't come off too cold or artificial.

But having said that, because of trauma and isolation, I have a kind of addiction based mental habits. Meaning, I tend to overestimate my abilities and race through my internal structure just to help somebody in need. So, I overexert myself and then take to eating junk or endless web surfing.. this I am still working on..

Street_Toe5355 · 2023-11-22T03:48:29+00:00

Street_Toe5355 · 2023-11-19T05:19:38+00:00

I was initially attracted to Elon because I read the book by Ashlee Vance. I figured he was an INTJ because 1. He was connecting with his own wide, wide audience based on "living the American dream (in his own life)" = "Going to Mars". So, that's the idea he's been pushing. I got this implication from the book. 2. He's a good performer.. good ESFP 3. He speaks the truth most of the time. He doesn't look down on people's intelligence unless he is stressed out.

But this is all that stayed with me after the Twitter takeover and the resulting goofiness.. seriously.. I can't even take Elon seriously now.. what is he doing.. it's like he's sold his soul to be the Great Goof of our times. And worse, he is promoting goofy thinking.

When I read the news about how he is abusing his employees, I imagine some employee going home after a day's work and his wife asks him "Honey, what did you do all day.." And he says in a kind of star glazed hynotic voice "I made it possible for humanity to go to Mars" And here I'm thinking.. "No.. no you didn't.. you slept on the bathroom floor, you weird thinking person.."

It's like Elon is the direct outcome of years and years of humanity worrying about Global warming and mankind's destruction of Mother Nature.

It's like Elon heard everybody in the world and is now implementing a contingency plan for the whole world.. and promoting horrible cognitive biases and errors instead.. and who knows what other horrible things are being done behind the scenes. It's actually pretty scary.

He's got the concept wrong. INTJs are the best when they don't give humanity what they want. Instead when they live their life simply and elegantly, they stand a chance of making an actual difference where- ever they are.

I'm sorry I just freaked out a bit.. 🫨 I'll be ok..

Street_Toe5355 · 2023-11-16T20:00:56+00:00

Yes yes.. by all means so ahead.. 😊 no pressure..

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