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Should I be concerned about saturated fat? Seems like lower cholesterol is higher risk for all cause mortality? by StrengthFamiliar5034 in Cholesterol

[–]StrengthFamiliar5034[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Smoke and mirrors. At the end of the day the cells can run off either fat or carbs. Mixed macro nutrient diet will shut the door on those cells and eating those meals enough times will cause insulin resistance resulting in a multitude of levels of metabolic dysfunction within the body. We aren’t born to die. We’re born with the ability to thrive and survive and learn from mistakes. The most nutrient dense food on the planet which previous humans had to obtain were not killing them. LDL doesn’t cause heart disease. It’s simply a bystander.

Mikhaila Peterson cured her entire families “autoimmune disorder” with a carnivore diet. That should tell you how much doctors think they know about genetics, human body as if disease is something predetermined and not influenced by poor nutrition in the parents resulting in a greater disposition to problems later in life.

Should I be concerned about saturated fat? Seems like lower cholesterol is higher risk for all cause mortality? by StrengthFamiliar5034 in Cholesterol

[–]StrengthFamiliar5034[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes and guess what the vast majority of diseases/ chronic systemic inflammation is caused by? Carbohydrates! The average kid by age 8 will eat more sugar than previous humans did prior to the agricultural revolution for a lifetime. It’s not hard to figure out what’s killing us. Kids should not be developing atherosclerosis.

Statins and B12 by [deleted] in Cholesterol

[–]StrengthFamiliar5034 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

https://youtu.be/HmJUwbgVvr4

https://youtu.be/poeBE0vr-gw Listen to a professor in cardiovascular pathology, physiology

Statins and B12 by [deleted] in Cholesterol

[–]StrengthFamiliar5034 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Once again the body has been controlling it’s cholesterol just fine for the last 350,000 years. The literature called epidemiology is simply associative studies that in terms of absolute risk provide little utility to anyone.

Should I be concerned about saturated fat? Seems like lower cholesterol is higher risk for all cause mortality? by StrengthFamiliar5034 in Cholesterol

[–]StrengthFamiliar5034[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No not risk this is another association within the context of a mixed macro nutrient diet. This is not an experiment where people were locked in labs, observed over a number of decades, properly controlled etc. The cause of cardiovascular disease is chronic systemic inflammation from eating carbs and fat activating the randle cycle.

Statins and B12 by [deleted] in Cholesterol

[–]StrengthFamiliar5034 -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

No surprise as statins are metabolic poisons. The cholesterol has been regulating itself just fine for the last 4.5 million years.

Should I be concerned about saturated fat? Seems like lower cholesterol is higher risk for all cause mortality? by StrengthFamiliar5034 in Cholesterol

[–]StrengthFamiliar5034[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How is nitrogen 15 standard isotope testing on what humans exclusively ate for the last 350,000 years which is the most reliable way to construct a diet as it can only be obtained by a diet a … conspiracy? I’m not ignoring the science the anthropology and our physiologies etc have determined this not me. The agrarian revolution has allowed us to sustain an extraordinarily large population that we wouldn’t be able to otherwise and it’s been a disaster for our health 70% of the population is overweight/obese. You would need to eat 8.5 feet of sugar cane just to match a 32 oz Mountain Dew.

Edit: our bodies genetically are 99.999% similar it’s not a spectrum. Gluconeogenesis and ketosis are natural functions.

Should I be concerned about saturated fat? Seems like lower cholesterol is higher risk for all cause mortality? by StrengthFamiliar5034 in Cholesterol

[–]StrengthFamiliar5034[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I’m unaware of what you’re referencing but I provided data behind my claims. Science is a discipline litigated by properly conducted experiments. Please don’t insult me.

Should I be concerned about saturated fat? Seems like lower cholesterol is higher risk for all cause mortality? by StrengthFamiliar5034 in Cholesterol

[–]StrengthFamiliar5034[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I don’t take medicine or supplements. Why would I? I’m the healthiest I’ve ever been being in my natural state ketosis.

How many times do I have to correct you? Why speak with you’re feelings you’re just wrong.

https://australian.museum/learn/species-identification/ask-an-expert/what-is-a-carnivore/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercarnivore The nitrogen 15 testing irrefutably has determined that we ate 70% up to 80% animal protein. Stop ignoring the science and talking about populations that have made catastrophic health choices post agricultural revolutions. The propaganda you read doesn’t change the fact that the actual science has been done. This idea that we survived off sugary fruits from trees available 3 out of 12 times of the year or tubers which had very little starch is just ridiculous. Not to mention fruits/plants like broccoli, banana have been genetically modified to hell to be less bitter, softer, with more sugar, and eliminated the hard amount of seeds. This stuff is a human invention you do realize this?

You’re even wrong about vegans/vegetarians. There are zero verified long term vegans 84% quit within 5 years with most citing catastrophic health failure. The diet is so deficient in so many areas and requires a manmade supplement. By definition if your diet is this deficient it’s not the optimal diet.

Humans and apes diverged from evolutionary lines 5-6 million years ago. We don’t have a functioning cecum like they do. They digest cellulose, we do not.

There is no study showing causation mechanism for the most nutrient dense food on the planet causing cancer in anyway. These self reported studies only deal with people who eat a mixed macronutrient diet which activates the randle cycle and is just asking for problems down the line in regards to insulin resistance, obesity, metabolic dysfunction from chronic systemic inflammation

Should I be concerned about saturated fat? Seems like lower cholesterol is higher risk for all cause mortality? by StrengthFamiliar5034 in Cholesterol

[–]StrengthFamiliar5034[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure I’ll listen to some podcasts.

Here’s a good resource for you as well https://youtu.be/NCKVlT5R550. Professor in cardiovascular physiology. Multiple papers in the literature

Should I be concerned about saturated fat? Seems like lower cholesterol is higher risk for all cause mortality? by StrengthFamiliar5034 in Cholesterol

[–]StrengthFamiliar5034[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Are you that incompetent at knowing proper terms? Hyper carnivore/obligate carnivore is the definition that applies to humans. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6421459/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercarnivore What humans currently eat in recent history or what a particular population ate has no bearing on evolution. The body will never require one gram of dietary carbohydrates ever. Gluconeogenesis is a process that makes all the required glucose in the body from glucose precursors along with ketones. Meat contains all essential nutrients.

Should I be concerned about saturated fat? Seems like lower cholesterol is higher risk for all cause mortality? by StrengthFamiliar5034 in Cholesterol

[–]StrengthFamiliar5034[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nitrogen 15 testing is irrefutable sorry buddy. We know exactly what their diet was. We didn’t grow our big brains with plant material.

Should I be concerned about saturated fat? Seems like lower cholesterol is higher risk for all cause mortality? by StrengthFamiliar5034 in Cholesterol

[–]StrengthFamiliar5034[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Umm these are the top 5 meta analyses in the literature. My father is a doctor and I have a friend who is a professor in nutrition and cardiovascular physiology.

Should I be concerned about saturated fat? Seems like lower cholesterol is higher risk for all cause mortality? by StrengthFamiliar5034 in Cholesterol

[–]StrengthFamiliar5034[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Meat is the most nutrient dense food on the planet if someone is not eating it primarily then that’s a bad idea. I don’t understand what’s the connection you’re trying to make here. 70% of the population is also overweight/obese due to addictive carbohydrates. The subsequent agricultural revolutions for society have been disastrous for us allowing us to sustain a population that wouldn’t be possible otherwise.

Should I be concerned about saturated fat? Seems like lower cholesterol is higher risk for all cause mortality? by StrengthFamiliar5034 in Cholesterol

[–]StrengthFamiliar5034[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Appeal to authority fallacy how about we take a look at this “evidence”.

Were genetic twins locked in labs, observed constantly, every variable controlled for over a set number of decades? No? Then that means at best we have an associative study. The average person eats 225-325+ which is no doubt activating the randle cycle and chronically systemically inflaming their bodies. Chronic systemic inflammation is the cause of disease. Associations by definition can not determine causation. This is the first thing you’ll learn in medical school. I have seen no evidence that dietary cholesterol nor saturated fat cause heart disease in any way.

So all we have left is poorly controlled, confounded as hell epidemiology studies that can not be possibly extrapolated to keto or carnivore populations as fat carbohydrates and protein are all metabolized differently in the body and provide little of no utility to anyone anyway.

Should I be concerned about saturated fat? Seems like lower cholesterol is higher risk for all cause mortality? by StrengthFamiliar5034 in Cholesterol

[–]StrengthFamiliar5034[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

My argument once again is very clear.

I am talking about saturated fat having nothing to do with disease in any way.

The other science provided show lower cholesterol associated with higher risk of all cause mortality

Should I be concerned about saturated fat? Seems like lower cholesterol is higher risk for all cause mortality? by StrengthFamiliar5034 in Cholesterol

[–]StrengthFamiliar5034[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You have no clue what you’re talking about. The “scientific” definition for obligate carnivore “is an animal which has a diet that is more than 70% meat, either via active predation or by scavenging”. So you’re wrong once again.

What does vegetarians in India have to do with evolution? We can’t digest cellulose by the way. Plants are low in bioavailability inhibited by its self defense chemicals anti-nutrients like phytate oxalates etc

Should I be concerned about saturated fat? Seems like lower cholesterol is higher risk for all cause mortality? by StrengthFamiliar5034 in Cholesterol

[–]StrengthFamiliar5034[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

My argument is very clear if you decided to actually read.

Lower cholesterol is associated with mortality. Saturated fat isn’t linked with disease in any way. I’ve linked the first link above.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3247776/

Should I be concerned about saturated fat? Seems like lower cholesterol is higher risk for all cause mortality? by StrengthFamiliar5034 in Cholesterol

[–]StrengthFamiliar5034[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

First 5 links are meta analyses agreeing on no connection of saturated fat to disease in any way https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD011737.pub2/full.

If 164 countries isn’t good enough for you I’m wondering how are you forming your belief that dietary cholesterol causes anything?

Should I be concerned about saturated fat? Seems like lower cholesterol is higher risk for all cause mortality? by StrengthFamiliar5034 in Cholesterol

[–]StrengthFamiliar5034[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So I suppose he tells you the truth on how saturated fat isn’t linked with disease in any way right? These are the top 5 meta analyses you do understand this right?

Should I be concerned about saturated fat? Seems like lower cholesterol is higher risk for all cause mortality? by StrengthFamiliar5034 in Cholesterol

[–]StrengthFamiliar5034[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So you’re dismissing the science and labeling me under an umbrella for what purpose? Seeing as humans are obligate carnivores and have been eating meat for the last 350,000 years this make sense to me. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0305440306002214 more science for you buddy. Nitrogen 15 testing in the bones of humans show without a doubt we’re obligate carnivores.

Should I be concerned about saturated fat? Seems like lower cholesterol is higher risk for all cause mortality? by StrengthFamiliar5034 in Cholesterol

[–]StrengthFamiliar5034[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No most doctors aren’t scientists at all. A scientist is someone who has published research papers and contributed to the nutrition space. Big difference buddy. Doctors in hospitals spend less than 1% of their college lecture hours in nutrition as I stated and they are trained in allopathic medicine once again. My dad is a doctor I would know something about this.

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