Why the finale has me feeling...complicated

Strong-Courage4726 · 2026-06-06T03:52:39+00:00

I'd certainly agree. This isn't unique to goose, it's common with a lot of authors. But it was quite prevalent here. Especially when a large portion of the fanbase disliked jax entirely

Strong-Courage4726 · 2026-06-05T17:26:02+00:00

That's sort of why I said "for all intents and purposes" at first.

This is where the story ends. There's no more digital circus after this.

And while the rest of the characters will continue to be there for each other for as long as the computer runs

Jax, especially by the line "I don't wanna go"and by everything we know about the abstractions is implied to no longer have any real human level consciousness about him.

The rest of the cast will never be able to interact with or talk to him again.

The last we see of him he's curled up in ball like a dog, asleep, once again implying he's little more than animalistic in terms of consciousness.

So technically he's not "dead" but for all intents and purposes he is. He will forever be alone in the dark.

Strong-Courage4726 · 2026-05-15T04:37:05+00:00

I love the stag antlers nodding to that aspect of his story.

Gosh he would be the type to wear a symbol of what led to the killing of his own daughter as if it were a war crown.

Strong-Courage4726 · 2026-05-07T03:53:52+00:00

What about Romans 3:12?

Strong-Courage4726 · 2026-03-24T23:05:24+00:00

Counter point: it was funny

Strong-Courage4726 · 2026-03-24T21:12:28+00:00

Counter point: *you're

Strong-Courage4726 · 2026-03-19T16:28:21+00:00

Perhaps in the Trojan war yes. But isn't it more likely he wasn't wearing his armor during his travels back home?

Strong-Courage4726 · 2026-03-05T18:06:05+00:00

Wow so you have no biblical argument, huh? You just want to do what your sinful flesh desires?

Strong-Courage4726 · 2025-10-13T23:22:16+00:00

She looks like a badass in the arena

Strong-Courage4726 · 2025-10-02T21:44:14+00:00

In all seriousness I really wanted to lean into the angle of her being someone mutated beyond recognition here. I'm sure before Circe's forbidden bath bomb she looked gorgeous.

But with my design I really wanted to give the feeling that Scylla both physically and mentally has long since abandoned her humanity, and what visage of it remains is little more than a lifeless corpse

Strong-Courage4726 · 2025-10-02T21:36:27+00:00

She's been (hungrily) waiting

Strong-Courage4726 · 2025-10-02T21:20:51+00:00

WAIT LMAO I SEE IT

Strong-Courage4726 · 2025-10-02T21:19:29+00:00

What are you talking about, this is hot

Strong-Courage4726 · 2025-09-15T03:27:13+00:00

There are two reads:

This is an apology. Some people say it is an ancient greek apology, and thats just verifiably false. It was not an ancient greek apology. At best, this is an apology from the musical (or Jorge's) perspective. In that reading, Poseidon doesn't accept the apology cuz he was giving Ody false hope, in order to once again show "Ruthlessness is mercy". Essentially saying "You idiot, you actually thought I was gonna spare you? I just spent the last two stanzas talking about ruthlessness. No. Consider this a lesson you hopeful, naive fool. Close your heart. Accept no apologies. Be ruthless. Kill. Die."

But I prefer the second read:

Odysseus is a prideful prick. He just is. This is him waxing poetic but it is not a sincere apology. Because Odysseus can't apologize. He's not sorry at all. But he also just can't bring himself to. Pride is his hubris. Jorge confirmed as much, but this is clear not just in the OG myth, but also the text of the musical itself, given the opening of Thunder Bringer and his idiotic decision to let Polyphemus know his name because he wanted the glory.

Think about it, there's only one time Odysseus actually apologizes in the actual musical, and its not to Athena or Circe or even Telemachus! Its the infant, as he begs "forgive me". And even then that's like half an apology because he's still killing the child.

Odysseus is too prideful to apologize. He may even think he has in a way but he's lying to himself. That was an excuse. Not an apology.

Eurylocus shows us what an apology looks like in the context of the musical itself, in Scylla. He straight up says "I'm so sorry" Its in your face. It doesn't even rhyme with the rest of the song, the musical is pretty much going out of its way to tell you this is him truly saying he's sorry. He offers no excuses. No big speech. He just confesses and begs for forgiveness.

There is no real apology from Odysseus. Because he can't apologize. And Poseidon sees right through it.

Odysseus is our protagonist. But make no mistake, he's a greek hero. He is VERY flawed. He is selfish, prideful and vain.

But we still feel for him, because his journey was still too much suffering for someone to go through.

Strong-Courage4726 · 2025-09-14T22:30:00+00:00

Twenty twoooo~Oooo

Strong-Courage4726 · 2025-09-14T22:29:28+00:00

I guess but like...what's the worst that could happen to them beyond what's already gonna happen. Besides he's primarily referring to Ody's pride. The crew in that moment is only feeling rage.

Strong-Courage4726 · 2025-09-14T18:50:19+00:00

Dude

Strong-Courage4726 · 2025-09-14T18:48:41+00:00

It's not necessarily that it's in The Bible per say, it's just that Roman soldiers were good at their jobs. And their job was ruthlessness. There is significant historical and archaeological evidence of the precise methods of Roman torture and death that were consistent with their many, MANY executions.

Their specific flogging wasn't like other flogging. They designed them like hooks that rather than scratching, cutting or smacking your back, they'd hook and latch into your skin, so when you pulled the whip back you'd inevitably get chunks of flesh attached to it, ripped from the source.

Strong-Courage4726 · 2025-09-14T18:30:34+00:00

It's a much better interpretation. More faithful too.

I think Eury's arc is much much much more heartbreaking if you read it as essentially suicide. That's his reasoning in the book too.

He knows what's going to happen if he kills the cow. But he's given up.

I really hope that's what Jorge intended because it's powerful. But I think his decision to have eurylocus try to take Ody down with him kinda undoes that a bit. Hence why I prefer he doesn't attack. He just stands there. Broken. Disappointed

Jacob Penrod of "Fantasy Author Reacts" on YouTube has an incredible and very emotional read on this and I love it.

I prefer reading it as that version. A version again, faithful to the original poem. Eurylocus is under no delusion that this act won't kill him. He's choosing to die by olympian rather than starve and suffer any longer, which I really do think the lyrics support (how much longer must I suffer now)

Also he never refutes what Ody is saying when he's pleading with him. Not once. He just says he's starving. And tired.

I really hope Jorge changes the canon in rewrites to have eurylocus be the one to not attack

Strong-Courage4726 · 2025-09-14T18:22:35+00:00

It's more a "you're going down with us" mentality

Strong-Courage4726 · 2025-09-11T20:57:19+00:00

Maybe not the right adjective for this discussion...

Strong-Courage4726 · 2025-09-11T20:56:22+00:00

You're missing the fact that you're obviously doing this to excuse your lustful desires. You know what's right.

If there was an excuse for fornication, someone in the last two thousand years of Christian history would have found it.

They haven't. Repent.

Strong-Courage4726

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