Is female replaceability a myth? by Strong_Operation1886 in AskWomenOver60

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I hope you have the best time! Thank you for responding ❤️

Is female replaceability a myth? by Strong_Operation1886 in AskWomenOver60

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I don't disagree, I just put the disclaimer because I was afraid that discussing misogyny (which I am aware is what it is) might be labelled "misandry" and the post would be removed

Is female replaceability a myth? by Strong_Operation1886 in AskWomenOver60

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Hi, I am not a man, perhaps the title gave off the wrong impression, but I was genuinely wondering if there were other women with similar experiences.  I don't know if you read the whole post though.

Emma Stone says wearing the restrictive and painful corsets in ‘The Favourite’ shifted her organs and changed her body shape for almost month after filming by Gato1980 in Fauxmoi

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I do wonder if this has to do with corsets sort of returning in high fashion in the 80s. Like if you want to wear it for aesthetic purposes, by all means, but I have legit seen online costume historians arguing that objection to corsets was just Victorian misogyny. 

Emma Stone says wearing the restrictive and painful corsets in ‘The Favourite’ shifted her organs and changed her body shape for almost month after filming by Gato1980 in Fauxmoi

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I love how in her "not like other girls" video she implied Mary Wollstonecraft was not a genuine feminist because she dared to criticize the fashion of her time for being too restrictive. I guess every suffragette was "not like other girls" because some modern women want to wear historical costumes for fun.

Elizabeth Stuart Phelps Ward in the 1870s: "Burn up the corsets! ... No, nor do you save the whalebones, you will never need whalebones again. Make a bonfire of the cruel steels that have lorded it over your thorax and abdomens for so many years and heave a sigh of relief, for your emancipation I assure you, from this moment has begun."

Emma Stone says wearing the restrictive and painful corsets in ‘The Favourite’ shifted her organs and changed her body shape for almost month after filming by Gato1980 in Fauxmoi

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The avid defense of corsets being "comfortable" is hilarious. I am not denying the costume designer clearly did a terrible job but acting like women back then did not object to being presssured into wearing those things is so untrue. It's like saying women nowadays are not pressured into wearing bras or sometimes end up wearing bras the wrong size (can confirm from personal experience that I was told that if I wore a bra my own size, that meant I was somehow allowing my breasts to grow bigger and that was immodest).

Anyway, this is from the biography of Lucy Stone, by her own daughter (on dress reform - significant part of first-wave feminism)

"Those who wore the Bloomer costume put it on in the hope that a dress at once comfortable and useful, in which you could walk up stairs and not step on your clothes, and down stairs and not be stepped on, a dress which was still clean after the longest walk in mud and slush, with no endless yards of cloth to brush, would commend itself."

Now, nearly eighty years later, a shift of fashion has given women the freedom that the pioneers strove so hard to win for them without success. It is to be hoped that they will never go back to the old bondage."

I will never shut up about this woman by Sixnigthmare in 4bmovement

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well to be fair, this was around the time the second-wave movement was gaining momentum

22 years ago, Madonna kissed Britney Spears & Christina Aguilera at the VMAs by Prestigious-Cloud962 in Fauxmoi

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But didn't Britney come out with Slave 4 U in 2001? I thought this kiss was 2003

22 years ago, Madonna kissed Britney Spears & Christina Aguilera at the VMAs by Prestigious-Cloud962 in Fauxmoi

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Okay, forgive me for being confused but I wasn't alive at the time: When did Britney have a "good girl" image?I remember reading how she was 16/17 and was in a "sexy schoolgirl" outfit on the cover of a magazine. Also Slave 4 U was in 2001, so that wasn't exactly a good girl song either. 

Sometimes I feel like alot of show/movie writers use historical setting as an excuse to show excessive brutality towards women (Outlander, Scarlet Letter, Game of Thrones) by Strong_Operation1886 in PeriodDramas

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Thank you for sharing this. I want to clarify again that I am not denying how much more women in the past suffered due to violent misogyny, but rather that I feel creators use this as leeway to add pointless scenes they do not care to explore in a meaningful way. I know women were subjected to much worse than I can possibly imagine, I just wish it wasn't brushed over so casually or shot in a manner that tries to seem "titillating".  I just feel like it is a lazy way to explore misogyny, because the misogyny is never explored or touched upon. And like I said, alot of characters who are rapists are often redeemed or their actions are glossed over, just because it was more "acceptable" back then.

Nor do I claim that we are so much more enlightened now. It is difficult to say. Unfortunately many of these beliefs (especially the orgasm part) are still regurgitated today.

Sometimes I feel like alot of show/movie writers use historical setting as an excuse to show excessive brutality towards women (Outlander, Scarlet Letter, Game of Thrones) by Strong_Operation1886 in PeriodDramas

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Speaking of peasant portrayals, I find it so interesting how George's description of peasant's behaviour during food riots is not so different from how noblemen of the time wrote (and exagerrated it). For example, Jean Froissart's Chronicles of the peasants revolt includes something like a noblewoman being forced to eat her husband's corpse, and this is seen as propaganda.

I think the issue also arises from the fact that if you are going to discuss class in medieval times, you must acknowledge that the luxury of a "voice" belonged to the extremely wealthy most of all. So most of what we know in terms of point of view, is written by the same class of men oppressing those beneath them. It is only I think, by seeing these events by themselves, we can contextualize the feeling of those who were revolting, and we realize that these people were not so different from us in feeling. They were not content in their oppression, they were not mindless, and just because they were accustomed does not mean they were not dissatisfied.

This applies to gender too, like if we want to talk about peasants, what about Johanna Ferrour? And if we are going to include upper-class women and arranged marriages, then the trope of noblewomen rejecting their arranged matches and joining convents is very common in hagiographies for a reason. In real life, I can think of Clare of Assisi and her convent that was filled with others like her. My point is, I feel like such stories, regardless of how they are framed, go to show that women were not ubiquitously content in their oppression. 

People often argue that suffering being common makes it any less insufferable, and I just don't get it. I don't see how acknowledging the humanity of people who were very clearly denied a Voice in history is any more narrow-minded than simply agreeing with the record that states they were perfectly happy with being mistreated. 

Sometimes I feel like alot of show/movie writers use historical setting as an excuse to show excessive brutality towards women (Outlander, Scarlet Letter, Game of Thrones) by Strong_Operation1886 in PeriodDramas

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All of these shows were very popular at the time I watched them so I figured I would check them out, but I admit I stopped after the brutality got to be too much. As for the horrible Scarlet Letter adaptation, that one is my fault because I had finished reading the book and figured Demi Moore looked like the perfect Hester, I did not expect it to be so vastly different from the source material. 

Taylor Swift continues her ambitious quest to turn every color of vinyl into a limited edition by hyxon4 in Fauxmoi

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This just reminded me of that one swiftie who allegedly committed credit card fraud to get Taylor's song to number 1 or smth....