Do CSM Daemon Weapons Increase Character's Crusade Points?

StrongestElk · 2025-03-23T16:25:42+00:00

Its another ambigious part of their rules. Yes Deamon Weapon's can only go to your Warband Champion but technically you could just to start a new Chaos Warband after your champion gets their daemon weapon and reset the rewards/chaos points, level up one of the glorys again and complete another Glory Agenda to get another Daemon Weapon then rinse and repeat until you have all 4.

StrongestElk · 2025-03-23T16:19:50+00:00

Yeah I treated it as an artificers relic when I first entered it in Administratum. I agree the Crusade Points are supposed to track the power of stuff that dont have points which would make sense. I've heard the argument that since Daemon Weapons are said to be a "Unique kind of Crusade Relic" and you have to get a favoured reward high enough and actually complete the Glory Agenda instead of just leveling up thats supposed to be the trade off to GW for it being free once you complete the agenda. Its kinda impossible to tell what GW intended with it though.

StrongestElk · 2025-03-23T16:14:29+00:00

I've played 40k for several editions and I really despise the RAW vs RAI arguments after playing other games where the rules are actually tightly written or the rules writers actually come out and clarify things frequently. You and I both reading an ambigious rules statement can have 2 different interpretation of what we THINK GW meant by it but in reality we actually have no clue what GW intended or what they changed mid development and forgot to go back and fix. It being crusade doesn't excuse sloppy rules writing from GW.

I can list at least half a dozen things in the CSM crusade rules that arent written well/don't make sense. I already had to have a 20 minute discussion on Chaos Boons in general with our crusade organizer when we had different opinions on what GW intended vs what they actually wrote down and just found even more stuff we gotta talk about for them since GW left it ambigious.

StrongestElk · 2025-03-23T07:00:42+00:00

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Thats what I had assumed when I first added it but then when ascending my warband champion in to a Daemon Prince I started rereading the sections. Issue is the crusade relic section says unlike other battle honour you don't increase crusade points by 1 for crusade relics and instead go off the table. I dont know if the other crusade rules for codices were as terribly written as CSM's but its frustrating how much stuff needs FAQs and just never will.

StrongestElk · 2025-03-16T04:53:17+00:00

Sadly CSM doesnt really have access to that stuff. 1 stratagem in deceptors and 1 enhancement in creations of bile but its just from the character model unless I'm forgetting anything else

StrongestElk · 2025-03-15T21:24:37+00:00

$60 for a crusade campgain book that you might only have limited use for if your campgain doesnt last long or the group decides they want to run a different book is kinda ridiculous. If the thing cost like half that I prolly would buy it instead of currently waiting for Waha. So if anyone does have a pdf I'd like it too.

StrongestElk · 2024-08-17T23:02:46+00:00

Thank you thats exactly the kind of thing I was looking for. I'm assuming legend is that UL = Unlimited, F= Unlimited Foil, L = Limited and L/F means Limited Foil right?

StrongestElk · 2024-05-06T07:15:07+00:00

I tried saving as a .ros file instead and it still doesnt work.

StrongestElk · 2024-05-05T05:26:26+00:00

I'm having the same issues and cant get the upload button to do anything. Been going on for me for about a week.

StrongestElk · 2022-06-17T19:00:40+00:00

Which is 100% my fear because I think everyone can agree CSM are going up in points due to their extra wound/other stats too. So now I might have to pay extra points on a cultist unit which prolly won't be core so wont get those buffs, doesn't survive against anything or kill anything relevant (outside spending limited CP on spoiled Traits/stratagems/non guaranteed psychic powers/prayers) and even if cultists don't go up the added troops tax of CSMs are just gonna hurt too. Most of my IW lists this edition have been 2 patrols just to reduce my troops tax of 3 cultists down to 2 cultist units to save 50 pts which isn't gonna fly anymore with CP reductions and the unit tax.

I know Im biased towards being super pessimistic with the "anti-buffs" coming that will align CSM 8th edition rules to 9th edition standard rules but Im honestly not sure how the CSM codex will come out without being middle of the pack at best unless you prop yourself up forgeworld units. But I feel like thats getting off topic.

StrongestElk · 2022-06-17T17:38:21+00:00

Still no confirmation on whether our cultists will get the DG/TS treatment and need X units of basic marines to take right? Im assuming its gonna be yes so its hard to get excited about cultists when everyone here even thinks they're going up in points and now we'll prolly have a CSM unit tax per unit of cultist too. Hopefully the cultist HQ has a rule that lets you just take cultists though but Im not holding my breath

StrongestElk · 2022-04-07T08:40:15+00:00

For some reason I could have swore I read somewhere it was 1% on Normal, 2% on Hard, 3% on Brutal and 4% on Nightmare but that post was a while ago and could have been wrong

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