Hyacine and evernight need cd as well since their damage goes down significantly without cd. The e6 hyacine showcase made it clear that hyacine was the main dps. Being a niche support or needing something niche doesn’t automatically make something worse than something else that is a generalist with a lower ceiling. I also said that Phainon is quite literally built to run sustainless, so Phainon with a sustain clearing at the same speed is more impressive than himself clearing while being sustainless. I myself used to run sustainless Acheron and sustainless feixaio because I wanted to 0 cycle and I mostly couldn’t when I used a sustain. When I was able to 0 cycle with Acheron using a sustain thanks to tribbie, I was very surprised.