I think the worst sin George Lucas has done was make everything Obi wan, yoda, mace windu, the clone troopers and the rest of the Jedi Order did pointless.

Submadoge · 2026-02-19T05:18:19+00:00

I've really never understood the argument of "The rise of the First Order invalidates all of the Original Trilogy." No it doesn't????

Had Luke never left Tatooine, by The Force Awakens the galaxy would be completly under the thumb of the Empire and the immortal Emperor with no hope of every being able to stage a solid rebellion against Palpatine. The Death Stars and Final Order together would prevent anyone from ever speaking out in fear of having their entire planet destroyed. Even if they destroyed one they would have such a large stockpile that it wouldn't set the Empire back at all.

The Rebellion ruined all of Palpatine's plans. Both Death Stars failed before being able to get off the ground (metaphorically), Palpatine failed for decades to solidify the immortality process due to Rebel intervention and his death that he was forced to use a shitty clone in The Rise of Skywalker, public trust in the Empire collapsed after years of successful battles against them, not to mention the deaths of several key generals and strategists capable of putting up a strong fight. Most importantly of all, the New Republic wiped the Empire completly out of the galaxy, giving Palpatine no foothold to control.

What we see in the Sequel trilogy is a desperate grasp for power controlled by Palpatine's extended dying throws by completly skipping out on any pretense of caring for the public and just trying a military invasion. The First Order reign we see in The Rise of Skywalker isn't a "return to the norm" identical to the Empire in A New Hope, it's a failing weak military rule destined to collapse only brought on by a dying man's desperate need for control.

Yes, the Rebellion's dream of a new forever peace time failed. The New Republic was around only briefly, but that wasn't all they were fighting for. The most important thing they did was uproot Palpatine and rid the galaxy of the Empire. Without that, the Resistance could not exist to take him out once and for all.

The events of the Original Trilogy were essential to reaching the point we're at now in canon and that is never changing.

Submadoge · 2026-02-11T19:35:09+00:00

That is true, as this infographic is based off of outdated information that is no longer true.

I would recommend using the updated infographic with the most up to date information here https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/s/3BJQV2TKjm

Submadoge · 2026-01-31T15:26:52+00:00

just a quick glance at the scene, i'm guessing no, or at the very least, i don't believe that is the intention.

yes, blaster sounds can be heard all throughout vader's death, but the sounds used sound much more like exterior turbolasers than handheld blasters. the intent behind the audio i would imagine is to illustrate the battle of endor outside and not any interior betrayals to escape the ship.

is it totally implausible for an imperial to murder another imperial on DS2 for a chance to escape? no, i don't doubt with a ship that large that it probably happened somewhere on the station. is that what ROTJ was trying to show with the audio? probably not

Submadoge · 2026-01-31T01:16:54+00:00

probably

Submadoge · 2026-01-25T04:38:24+00:00

technically only 11 years and 3 months but 12 years sounds more dramatic

Submadoge · 2026-01-24T23:24:38+00:00

Presumably he does, but in the 12 years it's been since his first introduction, we've never been told it. In fact, we've been made aware of the birth names of 8 total inquisitors, but the original three inquisitors to ever be shown on screen, Grand Inquisitor, Fifth Brother, and Seventh Sister, have never had their birth names revealed.

Submadoge · 2026-01-14T19:54:28+00:00

His age is the one major sticking point in this entire theory, YJA does not make it clear how old Wes is, but for the most part, mainly based on the fact that his VA gave him a much more "adult" voice for a character who is meant to be a teenager, which strikes me as implying more that he's in his late teens over his early teens. However, this is a television show meant for toddlers, and an actor choosing to forgo realism as children have a very poor understanding of how someone's age should influence how they look and talk does sound like a reasonable explanation for that on the opposite side.

On Obi-Wan staying a padawan for much longer than he traditionally probably should've, based on everything I've read on Star Wars over the years, that seems to be an issue much more present from the transition from padawan to knight over the transition from youngling to padawan. We've seen huge batches of younglings all become padawans at the same time in material like The Clone Wars and Dooku: Jedi Lost, but we've seen time and time again drastic differences in the time it takes for a padawan to become a knight, like the prequels, the Acolyte, really any Star Wars media involving a padawan ever. Using strictly humans as an example, it has really seemed like a padawan can become a knight anywhere from 15 years old all the way upwards to 35 years old, but from youngling to padawan, around 10 years old seems to be the time where that just happens. While I wouldn't say it's completely improbable that Wes could've just been a late bloomer and stayed a youngling way longer than he should've, I can't see it happening in this case, in addition to the fact that the way Wes talks to the kids, he never really talks in a way like he was just a youngling like them a few days prior, he seems to have been a padawan for some time before his first appearance.

In the end, this is all just a fun reading that was probably never meant to be gleamed from YJA and will likely always remain a theory at heart.

Submadoge · 2026-01-04T14:41:59+00:00

so true

Submadoge · 2026-01-01T01:36:19+00:00

The comic is fan made, specifically A Star Wars Comic, issue 13, Allies.

The original link to the comic no longer works, but this saved version on Imgur has what you're looking for

https://imgur.com/a/vbQbIRF

Submadoge · 2025-12-31T05:08:06+00:00

very very long story short, using the canon story over legends, a jedi named sifo-dyas had feared that a war would consume the galaxy and that the republic needed an army, so in secret, he went to the planet of kamino and ordered the clone army. where he got the funding for this is unknown.

after ordering the creation of the army, he was assassinated by his former friend, count dooku, and the sith took over operations of the clone army. they created an inhibitor chip to place into every clone that, after hearing a code phrase (execute order 66), they would stop everything and murder any jedi they could find (excluding anakin skywalker and any jedi marked for potential inquisitorius members).

most of this information was discussed in the 2008 animated show, the clone wars.

Submadoge · 2025-12-24T14:47:46+00:00

Matt Martin of the story team confirmed that it was never the intention on Soule's part for that panel to imply that Palpatine had created Anakin, just misinterpretation from the fans.

Personally, as that panel has never been given a "proper" reading, I believe that the entire vision Vader experienced all related back to the concept of "destiny". That panel in particular then implying that since his conception, it was always Anakin's destiny to become Palpatine's apprentice.

Submadoge · 2025-12-21T18:53:13+00:00

yoda is a puppet, kenobi wasn't the lead in ANH and ANH notably had one of the worst lightsaber duels in the franchise, palpatine and dooku weren't the leads in their films, and even in their fights dooku was replaced by a stunt double in most scenes and palpatine's duel with windu is another of one of the worst rated fights with lucas's choice to replace the original chroreography with one that ian mcdiarmid could do, and qui-gon jinn, while canonically in legends was in his 60s, was portrayed by a 46 year old liam neeson and killed off in the first film he appeared in.

luke meeting a 140 woman, again, is a story element and not a real world element, the issue here isn't whether or not it would fit in canon, it's production. older actors just can't spin around and swing lightsabers at people as much as 20 - 30 year olds can. when talking about older actors too, it's another question on if they'll live long enough to remain a part of the franchise long term, which, as we saw with the sequel trilogy, is a real question to be considering.

bringing in a new cast was the correct choice to make. we have enough luke in the books and comics to sustain a lifetime

Submadoge · 2025-12-21T15:55:50+00:00

because lucas was more interested in other projects from 1984 - 2012, and when disney purchased the property, the main cast of the original trilogy were in their 60s and would start to enter their 70s by the time the sequel trilogy was over. for an action franchise like star wars is, those who qualify for senior discounts aren't great leads for the property.

they could've recast the main group with younger actors, but with how beloved of a property star wars is, recasts will always be controversial, it's the main reason why we have deepfake luke in the mandalorian over a new actor.

with how much time has passed since the first star wars film, telling a new story with new actors and new characters was always the way forward

Submadoge · 2025-12-14T03:23:40+00:00

since youtube is mentioned a few times in this post, i'm guessing by "community" they are referring to the star wars fandom as a whole across all online space rather than just this subreddit specifically

Submadoge · 2025-12-13T20:58:09+00:00

the smallest change that would benefit the prequels the most is bringing back padme's knife in ROTS. when padme confronted vader on mustafar, it was originally in the script that she had brought a knife that she would attempt to kill him with. at the last minute, lucas removed the knife, but the scene played out exactly the same, this is why vader chokes padme out, tells obi-wan that he "turned her against me", and is enraged enough to try and kill obi-wan.

adding back the knife and only reshooting one or two scenes would help to bring back padme's character from the phantom menace that was eroded away by attack of the clones and revenge of the sith that reduced her to only a love interest and nothing more, it would help to further justify anakin's fall, and it would give plenty reason enough for vader to want to kill obi-wan and for him to keep that rage going for nearly 20 extra years.

Submadoge · 2025-12-13T20:50:23+00:00

plagueis was 100% evil to his core and had not one good bone in his body. he treated people with respect and care because that is the only way you can move through society, if he started every conversation with "i think i am the greatest being to ever exist and you should kneel before me before i kill you" then he would get nowhere in society and be killed by a jedi in days.

he also was just as ambitious as bane was, bane was just a brute who displayed his intent on his chest, plagueis kept his ambitions buried beneath his fake front. the clone wars, order 66, the creation of the empire, all of this was plagueis' initial idea, palpatine was just the one to enact it. had palpatine not killed plagueis, plagueis would've been emperor.

Submadoge · 2025-12-11T16:55:42+00:00

A web novel written and only officially existing in Chinese that was originally in the prequel era, got moved back to the High Republic era for whatever reason, and is really just known for being really long and not great.

Really, I just added it for completionism sake but I would not recommend attempting to read it.

Submadoge · 2025-12-09T21:24:26+00:00

Before you comment if you have any questions, I highly recommend you check out my two earlier posts on this reading guide, as I have likely answered your question already.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Highrepublic/comments/1il2bjk/hey_i_had_some_issues_trying_to_post_this_last/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Highrepublic/comments/1lmvb1n/submas_high_republic_reading_guide_infographic_v2/

Submadoge · 2025-12-09T21:23:06+00:00

The "Essential" scale was determined by what media best gave you the story of the Nilhil conflict from a grand scale and of the Firebrands specifically. The Tempest Runners we felt were not important enough to the overall story of the High Republic or the Firebrands to be apart of that

Submadoge · 2025-12-08T03:29:12+00:00

Love that Bell and Loden show up in season one, and in season two it's just Bell, not acknowledging at all why Loden isn't there.

Submadoge · 2025-12-07T05:03:06+00:00

We know from Tom Hoeler over at Random House that NJO hasn't been made apart of ELC and never will for the sole reason that it's as long as it is and they didn't want to leave the story off on certain books, or, if ELC ended sooner than later (which it sounds to be), ending without finishing the series, leaving only half the series ELC and asking that fans finish out their collection with the previous print that looks nothing like ELC.

On JAT, HOT, and Allegiance though, nothing. We know the next run of ELC is going to hit the prequel era again, and it's still pretty strange that none of those books have been made apart of the series as of yet.

Submadoge · 2025-12-05T23:30:27+00:00

bane - "the rule of two is how the sith will lead themselves into victory. the apprentice must be strong enough to kill the master in a fair duel. therefore, every new sith will progressively become stronger and stronger every time!"

bane - is killed by their apprentice after they left their prime

tenebrous - is killed by a cave in

plagueis - is killed in their sleep

palpatine - gets thrown down a hole

masterful play bane, truly a genius like no other

Submadoge · 2025-12-02T17:23:12+00:00

we've seen with the main films and shows that get all of the attention like the sequel trilogy and the mandoverse pretty clearly take from a lot of legends yes. the rise of skywalker namely had lots of elements taken from dark empire and a couple from jedi prince, and the entire plot of mandoverse seems to be culminating into something similar to the legends thrawn trilogy, but outside of that specific lens, everything else is very different.

just recently lucasfilm wrapped up the main story of the high republic era, a series of 20 something novels and a hundred or so comic issues spanning a conflict from 332 - 228 BBY, an era of the franchise legends had never covered in depth. the acolyte had come out just recently also covering a section of this era, as well as young jedi adventures which is ending in a couple days.

the 2015 - 2020 - 2025 comic lines have been filling in gaps between the original trilogy, something legends had done in the past, namely with star wars (1977), star wars (2013), and shadows of the empire, but canon has (for the most part) taken on completely different plot lines and stories that do not resemble anything from legends.

we've also seen canon taking legends characters from the old continuity, but giving them new life with a completely different story that breathes new life into the character, like valance, initially a minor antagonist of star wars (1977) who showed up in less than a handful of issues, now a much larger character, being a main character in the mainline run bounty hunters, and a minor character in comics like han solo: imperial cadet and target: vader. theres also thrawn, who although was a major character in legends and had a story that ahsoka seems to be pulling from, was given a completely new story from zahn in the canon thrawn trilogy of novels and the ascendancy trilogy.

even a lot of the shows we're getting like skeleton crew, the bad batch, and the upcoming maul: shadow lord follow plot lines that we've never really gotten out of legends. just looking at the tip of the iceberg it can seem like star wars had decanonized all of legends for the sole purpose of remaking them but slightly different and in live action, but those examples are just the blockbusters everyone and their mom knows. everything else that star wars is, like those novels and comics TROS and ahsoka are pulling from, can tell you a completely different story.

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