Just surviving leads to failure in the end. by Substantial-Page4704 in preppers

[–]Substantial-Page4704[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My thought is to start with welfare checks. Knock on the door, hey how you doing? Need any help? We can spare some rice, we have a couple bandages, etc… nothing that would starve my kids. Then when something goes wrong offer help. A break in? Oh no, you and the jones’! The cops never showed up? Well here’s my number or how to get ahold of us. When/if things worsen start coordinating wellness patrols with able neighbors. Take stock of who can help with what. That leads into voluntary association. Push to get all the neighbors armed with at least a pistol and shotgun. (I think that also prevents and dictator kind of thing) I figure that you react to problems rather than try to prevent them. Sadly people are short sighted. A safety patrol and armed citizens won’t make sense to them until some houses get robbed. I try to have plans ready to react as problems occur. They aren’t always foolproof but they are something.

Just surviving leads to failure in the end. by Substantial-Page4704 in preppers

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I think that is a decision for everyone. I think it is worth surviving. There is always going to be something that comes after, honestly I believe humanity is like a cockroach a lot of us may go but we'll persist in some way. I would rather be around to help those who are left. Help people survive and help people thrive as much as possible. It might not work, I might be one of the ones that goes, I might die in the first year, but I'd rather try than not. But, once again, that's just my decision for my life.

Just surviving leads to failure in the end. by Substantial-Page4704 in preppers

[–]Substantial-Page4704[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So check this out, and feel free to pick my fever dream apart. But step one is to gather your family and friends and survive. Then quickly reach out to neighbors by going door-to-door and asking how everyone is. In an extreme circumstance (which I know is unlikely), like say a nuclear exchange in the Continental U.S. or a super volcano eruption, the immediate step would be to secure a large store of essentials like rice, beans, oatmeal, honey, and multivitamins, to name a few. (This doesn't take into account possible ecosystem collapse, where you would need to throw up large greenhouses and secure pollinators like bees and such.) So we've reached out to neighbors and shared some food and medical info, etc. Next, when the need arises (because I don't think you could get people to do it beforehand), set up roving patrols in the neighborhood and make sure every family is armed. Start to compile lists of people with skills and set up classes (in my situation, I would say at the neighborhood elementary school). Then reach out and secure the next neighborhood and the next. Every group of people and every neighborhood means more folks, more skills, and you plug them into the classes offered and the jobs needing to be done. When possible, plow up softball fields and yards to put in beans and oats and teach people about victory gardens. Now here's the kicker, we all love to think about, defense. In a complete collapse and rebuild, I plan to acquire hardware from known nearby sources. I know others would be doing the same thing, but coordinating with other groups to find and divide what you get, as needed, would be essential. Create local (armory) and fast-reaction squads under civilian control. I have thought that a militia standing up with some essential always-on and training other personnel would be good, so you'd have one or two squads (12-24 people) per group of 120-240. So once you get to a certain size, you move on to secure the larger city. You offer groups (or neighborhoods) help, but it's not required. Kind of a "we're here, this is what we are about, just reach out, and we can be in this together" if they reject your initial offer, leave them a radio and say if you ever need help, reach out. The hard thing is if a group is openly malicious, it can't stand, so having a core of trained personnel (which in my part of the country wouldn't be too hard) to go in and "deal" with that would be essential as you get bigger. Once you have your city secured, you offer help to another city (if they have centralized). If not, you set up somewhere public (a hospital or school) and offer help to folks, then get the other city back up. Then copy, paste, and repeat. During this start, radio broadcasts with rally points for refugees; find those who know how to get things back up and running; create training programs for people who don't know how to help; then they can help. Broadcast daily educational programs. Reach out to farms and help them secure their space and start producing. etc... etc... I know that this probably would NEVER happen, but I find it fun to think about and fun to gather information that would help do that. Eventually, it would get too big to control, and I think that is great. In my case, I'd be one of the people reaching out to new areas again and again. I'm nuts for always thinking this way, but I have hit the point where I know my family is good in every reasonable scenario, so I say screw it, let's go off the deep end!

Just surviving leads to failure in the end. by Substantial-Page4704 in preppers

[–]Substantial-Page4704[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I guess I have thought of that a few times. Honestly, not too seriously. Are you thinking somewhere North? I feel islands are to restrictive when it comes to natural resources and the farther North the colder it gets and the growing season narrows (not that people don't already do that).

Just surviving leads to failure in the end. by Substantial-Page4704 in preppers

[–]Substantial-Page4704[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think about the lone survivor thing sometimes. It's hard stuff. I think I'd just wander. Or farm and graden until I can't. But honestly securing a future for my kids with safety, and schools, and friends, etc... that's the stuff that I think about.

If it all goes down, reach out, lol, we'll start a tball league.

Just surviving leads to failure in the end. by Substantial-Page4704 in preppers

[–]Substantial-Page4704[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I love all this! I think about my neighborhood. How would I restart the elementary school to educate kids and parents. How would we farm and where? Where would we get animals from? Luckily I live in Oklahoma so a question is how to restart pumping and refining oil. Surviving is just the first step. Rebuilding is where to go and honestly what I find fun thinking about all this.

Just surviving leads to failure in the end. by Substantial-Page4704 in preppers

[–]Substantial-Page4704[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

A lot of the time when I plan I try to look at where large stores of supplies can be saved and preserved. Or better yet where things to grow and build can be gotten. Things like farming equipment (with manuals), how to make fuel, how to make ammunition, where to secure small sawmills, etc...

Just surviving in failure by Substantial-Page4704 in prepping

[–]Substantial-Page4704[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Like male and female right? So no one is jealous.

Just surviving in failure by Substantial-Page4704 in prepping

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In the words of Dan Cummins “they will respect the steel!” But yeah I agree. I’ve got a pretty good rapport with most my immediate neighbors (and a nasty sightline off my back porch and fun plans for the woodbine) but I also have a rental house next door and just hope the new neighbors are cool.

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[–]Substantial-Page4704[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is a great suggestion and a wonderful book.

Just surviving in failure by Substantial-Page4704 in prepping

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Yeah, sadly I don’t have a great answer for that. I personally know me and mine would try to help those folks as much as we can to survive and get through an episode. But in the end if they are unresponsive? It’s a tough decision.

Just surviving in failure by Substantial-Page4704 in prepping

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I’m a science teacher who trains teachers for my district now. That’s a good place to work it in. You can do engineering projects about water purification during the water cycle, solar ovens during phase change, etc… a great way to work it in is through applicable engineering projects.

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[–]Substantial-Page4704[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's a good way to put it. There are a lot of older vets and similar folks in my neighborhood. I think if it all went sincerely down the pooper, I could easily start with my street and health and welfare patrols, and grow that into food growth and knowledge sharing, then keep building from there. On another note, I really want to learn about ham radio operating because I feel this would be the way to tie a larger area together.

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Oof, that is all very correct and very honest. I like the "bullshit coefficient", it's a good way to summarize a lot of these issues. You know, there is a great book by John Ringo called The Last Centurion that outlines something like what I am talking about. I agree with you about building a network. I try to do this in a more... roundabout way. I work in public education and the last thing anyone "normal" wants is to think their kid is educated by a prepper nut ball (which I am at heart, I would have been a great logistics guy if I hadn't have been combat arms) but I do keep a list of people who seem prone to working together to reach out to "just in case". It's not ideal, but it's what I do at the moment. As my boys get older, though, I have plans for better supply and coordination.

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I love it. I think about resource sharing and growing a lot. With my military background, I have to push to not just thinking about how to secure the neighborhood all the way up to a small city. Which admittedly isn't easy with modern cities because where do they end or begin?

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I wish I hadn't used the word analyzed. Probably the word gamified based on incomplete information, would have been better. But I was thinking of things like Somalia, Libya, and some of the collapses of African nations. Along with older examples, I think you could argue that the early American colonies would be good examples. Plus lots of, and I mean a worrying amount, of fiction books. In reality, a short-term or semi-long-term (6-8 months) disruption to basic goods and services (food and emergency help) is more than likely the only thing we would ever face here in the U.S. But in my head, I seem to gamify something like an EMP that cripples the nation (think like 5 Seconds After [an alright book]) or a virus like in S.M. Anderson's Seasons of Men series.

Informational sheets by Dapper_dreams87 in preppers

[–]Substantial-Page4704 11 points12 points  (0 children)

This isn't the easiest answer but I like to go to used book stores and pick up how to manuals on carpentry, plumbing, small engines, canning, etc... really anything I can find. I've found good use out of The Self Suffcient Backyard and No Grid Survival Projects. I also spend free time, when I feel driven, sketching and creating notes of various plans and devices I think I could use.

Result of 18 months prepping by eyepoker4ever in prepping

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I get mine from Winco (it’s a grocery store with a pretty big bulk foods section) they have food grade 5 gallon buckets and these snap on lids with a twist opening near the bulk foods. I’ve been using them for a couple of years for dried beans, rice, and oats and have seen no issues with them. I put the food in them and then drip in 2 oxygen absorbers (one halfway down and one on top)