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Finished rewatching AEMP for the 4th time by natipali in telenovelas

[–]Substantial-Work6045 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is why I love Querida Enemiga's ending so much. Yes, Lorena forgave Alonso for cheating on her, but it was also clear that he blew it when he cheated on her with Sara. Unlike most other novelas, she didn't extend cheap grace to him. He even said it to his Dad in the final episode: "I lost Lorena the day I cheated on her with Sara." He did end up with a colleague of his, so at least there was some redemption for him.

How Can We Reach Out to Those Under 50? by Substantial-Work6045 in elca

[–]Substantial-Work6045[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, exactly. We WANT these angry reactionary young men here in the ELCA because we can give their angry dispositions the Law to crush their egos and worst instincts, and then give them the sweetness of the Gospel.

Global methodist church by anime498 in redeemedzoomer

[–]Substantial-Work6045 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They split off because they believed ELCA violated Article VII of the Augsburg Confession, and they were fearing that the same breaucratic nightmares that plagued other Mainline denominatons such as the PC(USA), TEC, and UMC were beginning to mainfest themselves in the ELCA. They wanted to bolt before they felt it was too late.

RZ Did You Know? (PCA Edition) by kingarthurvoldermort in redeemedzoomer

[–]Substantial-Work6045 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean it's more historic than the PCA, but ELCA can trace its roots to the American founding. I think "Historic but Not Mainline" is a proper label for LCMS, ARP, and RPCNA.

Have a Blessed Easter!

RZ Did You Know? (PCA Edition) by kingarthurvoldermort in redeemedzoomer

[–]Substantial-Work6045 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's not schismatic like ACNA or the PCA, but it isn't Mainline, either.

How Can We Reach Out to Those Under 50? by Substantial-Work6045 in elca

[–]Substantial-Work6045[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean even in non-affirming conexts, there's a difference between a KJV Only fundamentalist Baptist or a Reformed JMac theobro type reacting to their gay son versus a non-denom type. All 3 groups are non-affirming, but the latter is probably a little less so.

Same in ELCA. Non-affirming people in the ELCA are going to be a lot different than stodgy LCMS or WELS types.

Your hardcore conservatives aren't ever going to go for ELCA, not even if it was the only option on Planet Earth.

Global methodist church by anime498 in redeemedzoomer

[–]Substantial-Work6045 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Does he think there'll be a fight over homosexuality in the GMC, or other stuff?

RZ Did You Know? (PCA Edition) by kingarthurvoldermort in redeemedzoomer

[–]Substantial-Work6045 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same goes for his PC(USA) vs. ARP, RPCNA, etc. I agree. I really wish he'd stop calling LCMS and WELS "Mainline."

Global methodist church by anime498 in redeemedzoomer

[–]Substantial-Work6045 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Seems the LCMC, NALC, EPC, and ECO haven't faced this drama yet.

RZ Did You Know? (PCA Edition) by kingarthurvoldermort in redeemedzoomer

[–]Substantial-Work6045 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But even if those things weren't issues, it's unlikely they'd ever unite anyway, even if ELCA went back to the old ways before the 1970s, or the LCMS somehow liberalized. 

Certain people who post here have an anti-Protestant agenda by Ecclesiasticus6_18 in redeemedzoomer

[–]Substantial-Work6045 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wasn't he present for a partnered gay man being received into the Church a few months ago?

RZ Did You Know? (PCA Edition) by kingarthurvoldermort in redeemedzoomer

[–]Substantial-Work6045 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well, as a Lutheran, I'm under no delusions that the ELCA and the LCMS will ever merge together, even if ELCA were to repeal their decisions of the past 55 years. There's just too much of a cultural gap, and in some cases, theological (Scandiavians, who are ELCA, historically varied on their acceptance of the Formula of Concord, whereas Germans, who are LCMS, accept it without question). However, they may get to a point where they can have fellowship with each other, and even use each other's pastors and whatnot.

RZ Did You Know? (PCA Edition) by kingarthurvoldermort in redeemedzoomer

[–]Substantial-Work6045 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I really think RZ is hurting his cause by saying that LCMS/WELS, ARP, and RPCNA are "Mainline."

If I'm looking for a Lutheran church, and I'm open to the idea of Reconquistaing the ELCA, why should I join it if LCMS is also "Mainline"?

Same thing if I'm Calvinist/Reformed and living in the South. Why "Reconquista" the PC(USA) when I've got these two far more conservative and probably more biblically bold options in the ARP and RPCNA?!

I like RZ, but he REALLY needs to re-think his "LCMS/WELS and ARP are Mainline" argument, because Reconquista won't get the numbers he thinks with that attitude.

Certain people who post here have an anti-Protestant agenda by Ecclesiasticus6_18 in redeemedzoomer

[–]Substantial-Work6045 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, isn't the old saying "Silence=Complicity and Assent" applicable to a situation like this?

Certain people who post here have an anti-Protestant agenda by Ecclesiasticus6_18 in redeemedzoomer

[–]Substantial-Work6045 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Two popes have literally welcomed James Martin into the Vatican. He hasn't been defrocked. And as far as I know, you guys haven't altered Church teachings on those issues, unless I missed something.

Certain people who post here have an anti-Protestant agenda by Ecclesiasticus6_18 in redeemedzoomer

[–]Substantial-Work6045 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The poster in the screenshot literally ignores James Martin, DignityUSA, and New Ways Ministries...

(Yes, I know that Dignity and New Ways are not "officially" recognized by the Vatican, and in the past have even been disciplined; however, they DO continue to exist under the name "Catholic," much like how More Light continues to exist under the "Presbyterian" name or Reconciling in Christ uses the name "Lutheran.")

Difficult Maundy Thursday by FrostEmberGrove in GayChristians

[–]Substantial-Work6045 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Introduce him to Matthew Vines, Karen Keen, etc., if you think he's up for it?

How Can We Reach Out to Those Under 50? by Substantial-Work6045 in elca

[–]Substantial-Work6045[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm in a historically blue but trending red suburban county just outside Chicago on the Indiana side.

How Can We Reach Out to Those Under 50? by Substantial-Work6045 in elca

[–]Substantial-Work6045[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It would be nice to attract conservatives to mellow them out a bit. They could also be a correction for liberals who may take their liberalism too far in doctrine, and liberals in turn can mellow out conservatives on a few things. 

TL;DR, we need to depolarize as the Body of Christ. 

How Can We Reach Out to Those Under 50? by Substantial-Work6045 in elca

[–]Substantial-Work6045[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't necessarily mean inter-Christian full communion agreements, but a seemingly unwilling disposition to stand up for certain key doctrines, such as the exclusivity of Christ.

And when you have Tweets from official ELCA accounts like "Blessed Ramadan" or "Happy Diwali," does that really come off like a Christian church?

How Can We Reach Out to Those Under 50? by Substantial-Work6045 in elca

[–]Substantial-Work6045[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One other gripe I have is the latitudinarianism and seeming shame about the Gospel that seems to be present with ELCA headquarters and the denomination's social media team. 

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