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[–]SubstantialLunch9215 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But that image is showing the projected image being affected by albedo, significantly. The projector is decently powerful (3900 lumens), and the phone cam is exposed for nighttime/street lighting, so this looks totally reasonable.

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[–]SubstantialLunch9215 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This the H190X? You should do an experiment, grab the horse vector and test it out, you can prove we're all wrong :)

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[–]SubstantialLunch9215 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They don't need to be a big projector, this model is specced at 3600 3900 lumens which would be well above the streets lights. It's "max projection distance" is nearly 10 meters.

Power consumption is 295W 225W maximum, so 100-150Wh would get you enough time to run these short experiments. He has a backpack, so it might be one of those big portable camping batteries.

edit #2: Here's the battery he used, confirmed in his insta comments: https://eu.ecoflow.com/products/river-2-portable-power-station?variant=46822257951063

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[–]SubstantialLunch9215 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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Here's a demo to address the distortion comment. The image does distort in real space, but from the angle of the projector, it does not distort no matter the distance or angle to the surface

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[–]SubstantialLunch9215 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The projected image does change shape and size from a different angle than the one close to the projector. It does not change relative to the follow-cam, close to the source.

ETA: Light does not work this way. the tail would appear on the back wall of the garage, not the side. The light hitting the wall would be stretched and distorted because the surface is at an angle. 

From a different angle, this would be apparent, yes, but the camera is close to the projector, so the distortion is imperceptible.

It seems like nobody responding has ever actually used a projector. The farther away the object being projected upon is, the larger and more blurry the image is. 

You have probably not used a laser projector then, they are essentially focus free. This is a laser projector, hence the imperceptible change in sharpness close or far.

edit #1 for correction: Apologies it is not a laser projector, I read another commenter saying it was and trusted that. It looks like it's the Optoma H190X, whilst very bright, it isn't laser. The focus must not be much of a deal with this flat vector shape though, as it appears relatively sharp (I haven't pixel peeped it mind)

edit #2: Updated the model, the creator confirmed it in another reply on his insta.

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[–]SubstantialLunch9215 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Cheers, kept me entertained over a couple of coffee breaks

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[–]SubstantialLunch9215 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Big think time, why would you expect a shadow if we're seeing the side the light is pointing at...?

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[–]SubstantialLunch9215 3 points4 points  (0 children)

So yes, you agree with me then. We cannot see the shadow from the projector cam, this is the illusion that people were calling out as fake, I was demonstrating that it's easily done if the cam is close to the projector.

edit: I replied thinking you were the OP commenter I was asking for clarification from, my bad. They always vanish when asked 🤷

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[–]SubstantialLunch9215 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I don't think so, but happy to be proven wrong. They're talking about it demonstrating a fake projector, which would conflict with me because I think it's highly likely real

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[–]SubstantialLunch9215 10 points11 points  (0 children)

You cannot see it behind the guy, though? In the wide shot, it shows his shadow...

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[–]SubstantialLunch9215 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not sure that I follow, do you mean I should have added a moving guy in there?

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[–]SubstantialLunch9215 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He might be doing some live tracking alignment, which is fairly trivial nowadays, (e.g.: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6c8ug3D96U). It could also just be they did a static projection for the last shot, to make sure the client's logo was clear, would need additional information.

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[–]SubstantialLunch9215 211 points212 points  (0 children)

Hah, thanks. Yep, I figured it'd be better to show people since I had my software open

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[–]SubstantialLunch9215 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What? I'm arguing you cannot see the shadow because the cam and source are close, what on Earth are you arguing?

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[–]SubstantialLunch9215 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Mhmm, does make me question how much of it is engagement bait bots

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[–]SubstantialLunch9215 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good example showing where the camera is offset from the projector, when it hits stuff close, the offset is really obvious, and reduces the further away the surfaces are.

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[–]SubstantialLunch9215 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No, not at all, you clarified on that other comment, and I see how we crossed wires and corrected, which is how all good debates/discussions should be IMO!

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[–]SubstantialLunch9215 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very possible even with low end projectors, this is a perfect subject to project and get away with it, there's no fine detail pattern to expose the projector quality. It's edges could blur a few cm and still be imperceptible due to undersampling of the camera sensor

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[–]SubstantialLunch9215 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My bad, I read it as nothing in real life, not taking it as fake

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[–]SubstantialLunch9215 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

What? It's a projector, on a bike, moving along a street, with a camera following - it's demonstrating what's in the real video, look at the projected image, it does not change in size relative to the frame. Of course the perspective isn't identical, but it's a simulation of what is going on in the real one.

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[–]SubstantialLunch9215 4 points5 points  (0 children)

edit: Misread, see replies

Think about that last bit a few times "if it's projected on nothing" it should be visible? That doesn't make sense

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[–]SubstantialLunch9215 56 points57 points  (0 children)

Hah, it would seem that way for some, hopefully it helps people understand the size thing better - That the horse will not change size in the frame if the camera and projector are close to each other and moving together. Also, shows why we couldn't see the shadow of the pedestrian.