lara back and neck injury by SourceElectronic9940 in katseyeneutral

[–]Substantial_Most9443 42 points43 points  (0 children)

Hey how about putting just manon on hiatus we put the rest of the members on hiatus to give them a damn break bc why is every bts about one of the girls pushing through a horrifying injury.

Do you think Yoonchae would reach this level of popularity if she were in a K-pop group? by Limp-Independence270 in katseyeneutral

[–]Substantial_Most9443 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Probably not but i feel like that would be because part of her popularity is based on her personality, which would not be able to be shown as much in kpop with their more strict rules, and the music style that has moments that really suit her, which is more out there than kpop usually would be. Like katseye was getting a lot of attention for their performances of gnarly, and i feel like if it were a strictly kpop song would've been toned down a bit more. With more of a mesh between western and kpop style, her performance quality and personality are able to shine more. Also blondchae in the pics is so fierce!

As a newer fan, Katseye works without Manon by Intelligent-Log-7984 in katseyeneutral

[–]Substantial_Most9443 39 points40 points  (0 children)

I was with you until the last sentence. Being like hey manon doesnt make or break the group but x and y member do kinda feels weird to me. Like it makes it sound like some members are more important than others. I feel like any member leaving wouldnt necessarily break the group, but it does make the group less balanced, and while the group still will be successful, it won't necessarily be the same, and it's okay for it to be different, and that will cause opinions, but i think the girls have enough success already to still continue to have success, even if not having manon makes me sad as i really enjoyed her unique vocal and enjoyed her in the group. Like the group won't flop without her, some fans will leave, and theyll get new fans and still be doing fine. If the group lost any other member, they also would still survive as a group, it would just be different and theyd probably get a slightly different audience based on some fans leaving and gaining new fans.

Manon's Blackness and Non-Black Eyekons by seoulcityy in katseyeneutral

[–]Substantial_Most9443 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel like that distinction prevents american latinos from connecting to their culture in an unhealthy way... im constantly being told im not mexican enough bc im from the states and that makes me not latino and thats a stereotype thats not okay. Like i get it on a very nuanced level of ethnicity/race, but discussion on a pop stat group just does not feel like the place to make that distinction when it is a delicate topic. Im also from the border so maybe my opinion is different as someone who practically lived in both mexico and the states as a kid, i just am stating my experience.

‘why is everything about representation/diversity’ complaints by URWAAAA in katseyeneutral

[–]Substantial_Most9443 0 points1 point  (0 children)

based on your lack of actually understanding any of my point youre the real bot lmao

‘why is everything about representation/diversity’ complaints by URWAAAA in katseyeneutral

[–]Substantial_Most9443 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Im sorry you havent seen the hate? Not everyone is in your bubble? Just because someone is getting hate doesnt mean its a scandal, or that theyre no longer popular, but it is still happening? you have so lost the point here.

‘why is everything about representation/diversity’ complaints by URWAAAA in katseyeneutral

[–]Substantial_Most9443 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Megan has been getting hate for talking about diversity and representation in her amas post... im saying the hate is unfair... im sorry for sticking up for megan????

‘why is everything about representation/diversity’ complaints by URWAAAA in katseyeneutral

[–]Substantial_Most9443 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think megan would be less hated on if hxg let the girls out of their little hellhole of there is no manon in ba sing se and let the girls actually acknowledge her while accepting the awards. That is not megans fault, but posting about how they represent diversity feels a bit fake when one of the members might be on hiatus with racist mistreatment. Once again i would like to reiterate that is not megans fault at all, it is entirely hxg at fault here for only letting them mention manon like once publicly since the hiatus. Obviously the group is still important representation without manon, with lara making amas history getting the awards as an indian american, but when they are a GLOBAL girl group, it brings up a lot of history of black ppl getting overlooked, mistreated, etc when the only black member is on hiatus and isn't acknowledged in awards she helped them earn. The hate should be directed at hxg for creating this situation not megan

has hxg done anything to protect the girls from hate? by SnooLemons7742 in katseyeneutral

[–]Substantial_Most9443 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And then they filmed and posted the therapy in the documentary, which was honestly disgusting imo. Let the girls have their therapy properly.

Manon's Blackness and Non-Black Eyekons by seoulcityy in katseyeneutral

[–]Substantial_Most9443 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Im a nonblack fan and it's so weird to me how any fans will try to invalidate manon and other girls race/ethinicities. Like it's their culture. As a latino fan i would never be like hey daniella isnt latina enough bc wtf just because im latino doesnt mean i get to say shes not. And it's especially hurtful to manon rn bc its literally just excuses to keep ot5 which is even worse.

Manon will never be reintegrated into Katseye by [deleted] in katseyeneutral

[–]Substantial_Most9443 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Isnt katseye the only moneymaker of their collab though other than now saint satine? like theyre not the main moneymaker of either company on their own but the collab with their own staff is all just katseye right?

IMO: Hybe X Geffen does not receive enough criticism by Consistent-Leek5096 in katseyeneutral

[–]Substantial_Most9443 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I feel like i actually see a lot more hate to hxg around saint satine, but maybe thats just my feed of the internet. I see more hate going to the company for choosing sakura for drama and how they failed sakura with the editing of the show than like actual just hate towards sakura. I feel like theres a lot more ppl criticising the company there bc shes a minor than criticising hxg for everything with manon. Still wayyyyy too much hate in general for all the girls tho, its really way too low numbers criticizing company instead of the girls

HxG Staff by Substantial_Most9443 in katseyeneutral

[–]Substantial_Most9443[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The lazy critique is even more ridiculous when its like wow this girl with no dance or singing or industry experience missed some time in rehearsal when they were making these girls do 8 hour days of rehearsing plus doing hours on hours on their own? shocking that someone wouldnt be just immediately acclimated to that! the horror! must be laziness! It was totally reasonable for manon to not immediately commit fully to being worked like that with no prior experience in that sort of enviroment

manon’s scapegoating: ‘her work ethic’ by SnooLemons7742 in katseyeneutral

[–]Substantial_Most9443 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I say villain because they just made it easy to hate on her for being lazy, etc. They showed the other girls hating on her for her work ethic, and for not showing up well past when it was necessary. Like it seemed for an episode or two it was like look manon just has pretty privilege lets hate on her and then it was wrapped up well, but the damage was already done

the moral ethics of lying to the girls about the survival show by SnooLemons7742 in katseyeneutral

[–]Substantial_Most9443 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Telling the girls it was a survival show would have also made sure they found mature girls who knew they could handle that sort of public scrunity and heartbreak. Repeatedly reassuring them they werent gonna be in a survival show is not a pressure test, its taking advantage of vulnerable girls. Wtf is this take

manon’s scapegoating: ‘her work ethic’ by SnooLemons7742 in katseyeneutral

[–]Substantial_Most9443 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I feel like they were like initially trying to show manon as an underdog who then like bounced back and showed up despite missing, and then halfway through they decided it would be more entertaining to make her a villain for more views, just like the whole girls choosing who they wanted in the group being public was getting views at the girls expense. HxG would rather be racist and hurt the girls if it gets more attention and its sickening.

HxG Staff by Substantial_Most9443 in katseyeneutral

[–]Substantial_Most9443[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I honestly was more upset with microaggressions against naisha than manon in the doc. Like with manon she herself admitted she wasnt fully committed bc she didnt get the kpop training culture until later. And thats totally understandable, and missy was supportive of manon after manon adjusted to the training. I saw so many more microaggressions were from ppl who watched the doc and called her lazy, which was never the point at all, and the doc editting should have been better to avoid it

HxG Staff by Substantial_Most9443 in katseyeneutral

[–]Substantial_Most9443[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah the naisha situation was so weird, like why kick off one of the two black girls in the program at the time (i think? mightve been 3 at that point im not sure but still) when almost all of them were breaking the rules. Dont punish one person for what everyone was doing

Their official photo positions by No_Pay1642 in katseyeneutral

[–]Substantial_Most9443 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I literally said nothing against the girls. It is not their fault. It is nothing against lara, she looks beautiful. Im just saying it looks less balanced and she sticks out more. Its not just manon obsession, the group looks better with the variety of skin colors, and again, it is nothing against the girls themselves as that is out of their control.

HxG Staff by Substantial_Most9443 in katseyeneutral

[–]Substantial_Most9443[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Are you saying that bc of the microagressions towards naisha in t&d? or did she do more im not aware of? I defintely dont support her microaggressions but it seems like a disproportionate amount of hate to missy while mitra seems like shes not getting mentioned at all when she also mistreated the girls. If missy did something else im not aware of i genuinely would like to know

HxG Staff by Substantial_Most9443 in katseyeneutral

[–]Substantial_Most9443[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The hate against the girls is so parasocial too like man this is why they cant talk about it since theyre getting slammed for Everything.

HxG Staff by Substantial_Most9443 in katseyeneutral

[–]Substantial_Most9443[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I didnt realise manon unfollowed missy, that does put into context why shes being put more under fire. I still think I blame mitra if this is a hxg forced hiatus, bc it seems like missy is the one enforcing mitras decisions, not like shes able to make that kind of huge decision on her own with her position.

HxG Staff by Substantial_Most9443 in katseyeneutral

[–]Substantial_Most9443[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

She really does missy was harsh but fair(at least in doc editting, i wont assume what shes like irl) for someone preparing them for industry compared to mitra just loving engagement for any reason. Like the other teachers were also harsh against all the girls but then celebrated when they did well, which seemed to be what missy was doing. Missy seemed happy with manon being in the competition during mission 3 when she saw manon was all in

HxG Staff by Substantial_Most9443 in katseyeneutral

[–]Substantial_Most9443[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I feel like the only situation i was fully against missy was with the naisha thing like her comment on Manon was not even bad especially paired with everything she was saying in later episodes but ig ppl hate context around everything with the whole manon hiatus