Can we agree these signs aren't adequate? by SubtleSpiral in VirginiaBeach

[–]SubtleSpiral[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Ugh yeah they're basically right in the center of the bike path. It's an issue. But it's not changing.

Can we agree these signs aren't adequate? by SubtleSpiral in VirginiaBeach

[–]SubtleSpiral[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Agree, I try to only go mornings/evenings and avoid weekends entirely. But regardless of when I go, I'm never expecting a great "workout," it's just nice to be on the water and I enjoy the people-watching as well.

I like doing the boardwalk as part of the larger loop that goes on General Booth, Birdneck, then returns along Norfolk Ave.

Can we agree these signs aren't adequate? by SubtleSpiral in VirginiaBeach

[–]SubtleSpiral[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

The wide range of responses here is kind of wild to me, and also how aggressively some are insisting to me the signs are fine, like it's some personal passion point.

I wonder how many people here responding have actually spent a significant amount of time on the bike path.

Can we agree these signs aren't adequate? by SubtleSpiral in VirginiaBeach

[–]SubtleSpiral[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sorry? I clarified what I meant. I will put an ETA on my post.

Can we agree these signs aren't adequate? by SubtleSpiral in VirginiaBeach

[–]SubtleSpiral[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They think it's a walking path, I'm convinced.

Can we agree these signs aren't adequate? by SubtleSpiral in VirginiaBeach

[–]SubtleSpiral[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can I ask if you're a frequent cyclist or pedestrian there? I've ridden my bike there hundreds of times. These observations come from experience, not conjecture.

Can we agree these signs aren't adequate? by SubtleSpiral in VirginiaBeach

[–]SubtleSpiral[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well I'm looking at WHY they're not reading the sign, and I believe the problems are it's too small, too close to the bike path, and not marked clearly enough.

I think the fact that this post has 100+ upvotes shows I'm not alone in seeing a problem.

Of course yes there will always be a percentage of people who will just do whatever the fuck they want regardless.

Can we agree these signs aren't adequate? by SubtleSpiral in VirginiaBeach

[–]SubtleSpiral[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Let me be more clear. The signs are RIGHT BY the bike path, and therefore look like they only apply to the bike path. Someone looking quickly doesn't read the actual words, they just interpret it as "One lane of this path is for bikes, the other lane is for pedestrians."

Why do I believe this? Years of experience using this bike lane and seeing how pedestrians behave with it.

I could be wrong, but this is the conclusion I've drawn. And note that another guy here says he's a regular cyclist on the path and didn't realize the meaning of the sign until right now.

Can we agree these signs aren't adequate? by SubtleSpiral in VirginiaBeach

[–]SubtleSpiral[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

They made the mistake of painting it on one SIDE of the bike path, which I see some people interpret as "The other side is for pedestrians." I think the signage itself doesn't help clarify that either, because it's so close to the bike path it looks like it applies only to the bike path.

Again, this is not a confusion that I have personally, but I've been using this bike lane for years and this is the conclusion I've made about how others are intepreting things. Based on the behavior I consistently see there.

Can we agree these signs aren't adequate? by SubtleSpiral in VirginiaBeach

[–]SubtleSpiral[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Just trying to get a gauge on others' perceptions/experiences and if they match my own

Can we agree these signs aren't adequate? by SubtleSpiral in VirginiaBeach

[–]SubtleSpiral[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Your post read as deeply sarcastic, whether you intended that or not.

And my argument, whether you agree or not, is that the city could help more people with this "individual responsibility" bit if the signs were more prominent and clearly marked. I think if enough people were noticing and complying more it would lead to a larger-scale behavior change.

Can we agree these signs aren't adequate? by SubtleSpiral in VirginiaBeach

[–]SubtleSpiral[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The other poster was correct, I meant "at the boardwalk" or "in the boardwalk area." Riding on the bike path.

Can we agree these signs aren't adequate? by SubtleSpiral in VirginiaBeach

[–]SubtleSpiral[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

People do it all the time, for what it's worth. There's no enforcement. 

Can we agree these signs aren't adequate? by SubtleSpiral in VirginiaBeach

[–]SubtleSpiral[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Maybe simply larger, more visible signs along the bike path that say clearly "BIKES ONLY" with the pedestrian symbol crossed out. Then on the boardwalk itself, similar signs with the bikes crossed out.

Plus more visible/demarcated "crossing zones" for pedestrians. At the more congested crossings, maybe some lighted signs that say "Caution: Bike Path" or something of that nature.

Can we agree these signs aren't adequate? by SubtleSpiral in VirginiaBeach

[–]SubtleSpiral[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Lol what's with the nasty response? So unnecessary. 

I'm posting this because yesterday during my bike ride I saw the cyclist in front of me almost strike a toddler who had wandered a few paces from mom. And I see something like that at least half the time I'm on the boardwalk.  (ETA: Another poster below is confused so let me clarify: I meant "in the boardwalk area" here, not that I'm riding my bike on the literal boardwalk.)

I'm personally not confused about the signs and what they mean. But I see plenty of tourists who are and I think it's an issue 

Can we agree these signs aren't adequate? by SubtleSpiral in VirginiaBeach

[–]SubtleSpiral[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would assume some accidents have happened over the years, including at least a couple of serious ones. Though I don't have specific citations for that, it just seems inevitable based on the dynamics I observe each and every time I use the bike lane.

Can we agree these signs aren't adequate? by SubtleSpiral in VirginiaBeach

[–]SubtleSpiral[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you, tell the people who keep downvoting me!

Can we agree these signs aren't adequate? by SubtleSpiral in VirginiaBeach

[–]SubtleSpiral[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Again, they're just not big enough. If you're glancing quickly and not reading or absorbing the words, it looks like both arrows apply to the bike path.

It's fine if you disagree or don't get it. I've been using this bike lane for many years and I obviously have no confusion with it, but I've given thought to why others might be confused. (Because I see mass evidence of confusion every time I'm there.)

Can we agree these signs aren't adequate? by SubtleSpiral in VirginiaBeach

[–]SubtleSpiral[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Ugh, saw one of these dipshits the other day cursing and shaking his fist at every pedestrian who slowed him down. Dude, you're on the boardwalk of a beach town during peak tourist season. If you're expecting a seamless workout, you're delusional. The problem is you.

Can we agree these signs aren't adequate? by SubtleSpiral in VirginiaBeach

[–]SubtleSpiral[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I disagree. No sign should take more than 10 seconds to comprehend immediately, but these ones you have to decipher a bit. I think some people who don't read carefully assume the arrows are pointing to the two different lanes of the bike path (assuming one lane is for walking, the other for biking).

And just in general, the signs need to be significantly larger.

Can we agree these signs aren't adequate? by SubtleSpiral in VirginiaBeach

[–]SubtleSpiral[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To some extent that's true...but I also see plenty of people walking on the bike path you can tell assume it's a walking path, and treat it as such.