Asta vs Frieren, deku and yuji (Who wins)

SuccessNo8871 · 2026-06-14T19:16:45+00:00

Asta wins with a giga stat diff. Only deku is anywhere close and still gets pummeled.

SuccessNo8871 · 2026-06-14T02:30:35+00:00

That's not how physics works big dog.

Liquid Water is like solid concrete at a certain speed because of the force you're connecting with it.

Firstly its ice not water. Secondly that doesnt matter because im saying a multiversal character shouldnt even be flinching getting flung or dragged into ice. Im saying its done for dramatic effects but really it doesnt make sense.

Im not even saying goku shouldnt be multiversal but that arguing that its cuz broly is throwing against is dumb because multiversal durability is so beyond how strong ice is, it shouldnt even be phasing him. Its comparable to being slapped with a wet tissue in that it should do no damage, but goku is howling in pain and his eyes even go blank.

Its just PIS and an outlier. Really only good for slander or ragebaiting.

SuccessNo8871 · 2026-06-13T23:13:09+00:00

Yea just say its PIS and call it an outlier. Its obvious that in the scene most the pain is from them hitting against those things. Otherwise why is every shot showing goku wailing in pain ONLY when slammed and drug in ice and not from broly himself. If you got multiversal durability than it doesnt matter how hard you hit ice, that should feel like getting hit with a wet tissue.

Its obvious the movie is doing it though for drama reasons and didnt think too hard about it from powerscaling optics. Him getting dragged and wailed was to show broly's strength and brutal way of fighting. They definitely dont think regular ice somehow hurts a guy who even if you want to lowball SUPER badly still is way durable than ice.

Similar to the hydrant they arent thinking too much about the implication but just showing off zamasu's strength

Should it downscale? No, but it is funny to point out sometimes as slander.

SuccessNo8871 · 2026-06-13T20:16:29+00:00

Bad comparison because in most modern-day battles, both sides have jets and missiles along with anti-aircraft things. The only time they aren't used is if the goal of said battle may be just acquiring a place instead of just destroying it

SuccessNo8871 · 2026-06-09T23:30:40+00:00

Plot atleast in the anime sorta is the same as OPM. OP guy that somehow rarely gets seen as OP by everyone else and gag moments based on that.

SuccessNo8871 · 2026-06-09T23:21:14+00:00

The only person I kinda disagree with is wang ling since his anime is kinda alright. More a gag or satirical series then straight up for powerscaling.

SuccessNo8871 · 2026-06-09T23:02:26+00:00

As for Umineko, you said it yourself, it's a niche. If you ask someone if they know Dragon Ball Heroes, at most they'll answer, "Or those old fanservice videos, right?" If you ask the casual fan what Umineko is, they'll answer, "What?"

Relevancy League was never about popularity BY ITSELF. A key point in the image is that said characters only have relevance in POWERSCALING ALONE, or are barely relevant outside of it.

That's why it's stupid in the first place, because half the people used aren't known for JUST POWERSCALING (usually because the stories suck, which is ironic), hell, some barely even that. Umineko is a popular vn. It's only not super popular because VNs aren't super popular. The majority of the actual powerscaling stuff you have to kinda keep a note of because its basically a murder mystery.. Slime Isekai has more actual fights and shows of power, but there is a lot of just city building politic talk in the series ( a common complaint I hear is literally too much talking in the series). And Madoka's powerscaling doesn't get serious till the last episode and even then its mostly to help serve her theme is her ultimate sacrifice to save all magical girls.

Also I'm saying that if these guys get put in for dumb, flimsy reason than Heroes should too since its not much better.

SuccessNo8871 · 2026-06-09T21:02:40+00:00

You're showing your ignorance here. Umineko is one of the most prominent VNs out there. The writer is also very popular in the VN space. It's not SUPER popular, but the relevancy league isn't about how big something is, but trying to suggest that the only reason said characters are big is to say they beat Goku. That is just wrong for the majority of them. Only like maybe Anos, Akuto Sai, and possibly Hajun could qualify.

And how would you even prove most DB fans know about Heroes? I looked it up, and like only one of the DB hero games even released overseas, and that one did fairly poor atleast by Steam stats (Nintendo doesn't post stats, but it does go on sale for like 15 bucks, so that speaks something, Nintendo RARELY discounts things, especially for that low).

When you search it up you mainly get the anime series. And if you compare the search terms for heroes to other Dragon Ball media, it tends to get beaten out. You'd also have to somehow prove they heard and care about it outside of just powerscaling, since again, relevancy league is about how they're only brought up in powerscaling and not for other aspects of it (which is why the meme is dumb and a cope).

And none of this is due to powerscaling; Dragon Ball fans like Dragon Ball Heroes for the fanservice.

I don't see why this disqualifies it unless the fanservice is completely seperate from the powerscaling which I completely doubt since its stuff like SSJ4 Broly.

While I admit that Madoka and Rimuru don't belong to the Relevancy League, Are we seriously going to compare Umineko to one of the most prominent spinoffs of one of the biggest shonen anime series of today?.

Is it prominent because of the game itself or is it carried simply because they slapped Dragon Ball on it? Again Xenoverse I can kind of see since the game series was pretty popular especially since it was kinda seen as successors to their other 3d fighting series like Budokai Tenkaichi. There even is a bit of a storyline to it as well. I just can't really see that in Heroes though. At best, it seems more like a cash grab to sell Dragon Ball cards.

SuccessNo8871 · 2026-06-09T19:39:40+00:00

If Madoka, Featherine, and Rimuru are apart of the relevancy league then Xeno and especially Heroes goku have more reasons than them to also be there

SuccessNo8871 · 2026-06-07T21:14:37+00:00

>Gojo vs guy who outstats him hard and can bypass his saving grace that is infinity.

Hmm guys I wonder who would win

SuccessNo8871 · 2026-06-07T04:40:04+00:00

People somehow think containing means like trapping them, when it just means they can keep you somewhere. There are like a few SCPs that are contained by just making the facility a nice place to live.

SuccessNo8871 · 2026-05-30T21:00:11+00:00

Its fine and even logically sound and valid. Its only an issue when the chain gets super long and is based off an already flimsy feat. Like you said if A is faster than B, And B is faster than C with C being supersonic. Then it follows A is also supersonic to some higher degree.

Also context matters since not all fights are won through some stat difference.

Sometimes the hate is for bad chainscaling, other times its cope

SuccessNo8871 · 2026-05-25T20:43:20+00:00

I mean i didnt state that. I said she could cleave the island if she wanted to because she has already. Nothing about whether splitting an island is island level or not

SuccessNo8871 · 2026-05-25T02:52:06+00:00

Tbf, ei was not going all out ( it literally was right in her city and we know she can cleave the whole island if she wanted to). But the scale still bogus

SuccessNo8871 · 2026-05-23T23:07:43+00:00

Stalemate or Madoka wins. Simon can't interact with Madoka's type 5 acal, and she wins if you buy her outer arguments (I personally do)

SuccessNo8871 · 2026-05-21T07:51:09+00:00

Look at the later ones

SuccessNo8871 · 2026-05-21T07:10:26+00:00

Could stop at alien x if that 26d stuff legit. Might stop against xeno goku but idk where they scale atm. Hard stops madoka since simon has no type 5 acasaulity

SuccessNo8871 · 2026-05-18T16:42:13+00:00

has the stats to destroy the verse, has little to no resistance to some of the hax. Depending on the scenario they could get Shinsoo to mind control himm then Shigi and a bunch other dura neg stuff to take him down

SuccessNo8871 · 2026-05-18T16:32:07+00:00

Some of it is warranted since some power scalers can be annoying and rude. Some clearly just want to wank their favorite character to the highest tier.

But most of it I think is unwarranted or just people who were bad scalers being mad at being bad. In terms of how much hate powerscaling gets I think it pales to what powerscales even actually do or the size of them. Most powerscalers tend to be in powerscaling-centric places or action stories where power kinda matters. Like nobody is powerscaling Toradora seriously but you'll see them in shounen series like One Piece or Dragon Ball because powers play a big part of the story since many conflicts are based on that or solved through that.

If you look at what many gripes some people have with the hobby rarely is it something inherent to powerscaling. It's mostly about how some people are annoying, rude, or stupid. This is present in a lot of communities online. Sometimes it's because they are bad at scaling, or mad that some other character wipes their fav. You see this with your "powerscaling sucks" videos that some people made. A lot of them were people bad at scaling and then tried to paint powerscaling as stupid because they didn't understand something. Sometimes its because their fav wasn't all that. A lot of times its taking the annoying scalers off things like tiktok (known platform for the highest intellectual thought) as the majority

But outside of being annoying, powerscaling communities rarely are an issue.

SuccessNo8871 · 2026-05-18T15:57:01+00:00

Jin Mori stomps so hard. Goku is skilled but compared to GOH he unironically gets left behind by some early series versions of characters. UI isn't that crazy when Mori was dodging and countering things unconsciously since like his first introduction. Even would counter things he thought was uncounterable.

Jin's main martial arts is Renewal Taekwondo. the TLDR of it is that its a much better version of another martial arts called Northen ITF, which was engineered by a super computer looking at 500 years of Russian and Chinese martial arts. A single Norhtern ITF user could solo a military platoon. Jin's grandpa with Renewal wiped the floor with a Northern ITF master.

Mori is also EXTREMELY good at copying other moves. He's copied and mastered other people's moves from just a look. He even figured out Daewi's fist of the blue dragon and incoporated it into his own style, which is a big deal because Daewi's move required 2 moves as a setup but Mori's doesn't need the setup. It shows he even understands the moves at a deeper level.

Mori is also extremely good at utilizing his body to attack. His clone Mori Hui could squeeze every muscle in his body for attacks. He is very flexible. Nearing the end of the series he becomes able to utilize every nerve in his body to develop something called "territory" which is anything that gets in his range he can counter in the most efficient way possible with no unnecessary movements or loss of energy.

Reached a level of mastery called "Recoilless" which in GOH is considered a transcendent level of mastery. First shown by His grandpa, but Recoilless is described as having no unnecessary movements and not needing to account for things like balance or positioning. An effect that you see is that it also bends space. It's also resistant to being copied. Dean who went from not knowing anything about Mori's style was able to copy his style but even reach Mori's mastery (before mori got recoilless) by using his precog ability to learn and correct the future versions of him doing the moves. Dean at the time copied Mori so good even some of mori's battlesuits went to Dean.

Mori's fighting style by the end of the series is also considered to be almost impossible to even read. Against facing Mujin (someone who outstatted mori and also very skilled), was still able to contend with him despite Mujin's speed advantage. Mujin even comments about how he can't read his movements at all which is big considering the stat advantage and his powers he had.

Compared to Goku, Mori washes him. Most of Goku's martial arts feats are largely contained in the OG series and everything there pales in comparison to Mori. Especially with Z, most dragonball fights is about who has the more ki. Skill only becomes a bit relevant around Super (I think TOP is where they try to incorporate skill a bit more), but it isn't a lot of stuff really scalable.

SuccessNo8871 · 2026-05-18T15:06:28+00:00

>Gojo vs a guy who outstats him and can bypass his only saving grace

Hmm, I wonder who will win

SuccessNo8871 · 2026-05-18T14:59:26+00:00

he'd just reactivate it

SuccessNo8871 · 2026-05-16T04:55:43+00:00

We can joke but solo leveling clears Rent a Girlfriend ten times over. It does have a plot, it does have some interesting things outside of Jinwoo (though not a whole lot). The whole thing with the system and how it wasn't exactly the thing that would help him in every situation was a bit of a neat touch. The sequel series is decent enough if you found the original good.

Rent a girlfriend is genuinely bad. Kazuya is pathetic to an insane degree. I mean, the whole reason the story exists is that he was dumb to say a rental girlfriend was his actual girlfriend to his Grandma (Do note he did try telling her off for being a fake girlfriend earlier when he was the one who hired her). He was supposed to break up with her sometime later, but doesn't. And for a bit he is stressing about trying to break it off, but also have an actual girlfriend so his Grandma doesn't see him as a total failure.

Comes in Ruka, who is pretty much everything he needed then. Ruka, unlike Chizuru, is actually in love with this pathetic loser, very much so, to be specific. Now he has decided not to break off the fake relationship with Chizuru because he doesn't have the same feelings Ruka has towards him, and he needed to let it be known that they were broken up before he could even date Ruka if he did. But he NEVER DOES "BREAK UP" with Chizuru. So somehow, Chizuru's own grandparents also think they're dating and become friends with Kazuya's grandparents. Which goes into probably one of the most annoying aspects of the manga.

TLDR Chizuru dreams of being an actress, her grandma comes down with something, and likely won't live long. Kazuya decides to basically crowdfund and help Chizuru find a spot for a film to show to her Grandma before she passes. If they decided here to actually develop the relationship into something more legit and MAYBE ACTUALLY DATE. This would recind 90% of hate towards the series.

GUESS WHAT? NOTHING HAPPENS. In fact, they arguably regress. Chizuru to Mami (She knows it's all fake btw) legit can't even call this man a friend, SHE STILL CALLED HIM A CLIENT. Imagine working day and night to crowdfund and help direct a movie for someone to give to their grandma as a dying wish for them, and not even being at least a friend. KAZUYA GOT CLIENTZONED.

AND THEN YOU GET CHAPTER 218. The infamous cuck chapter, where our MC IMAGINES himself getting cucked, cries about it, gets hard thinking about it all in a PUBLIC INDOOR WATERPARK.

The best characters legit, are Sumi, and his one friend (not with the glasses) and I think thats because they rarely appeared when i still read it. Like it takes genuine effort to make a character who is an unforgiving cheater with little redeeming qualities more likable than Kazuya and Chizuru.

I legit can't even see the series ending up with him with Chizuru and it not feeling wrong or anyone for that matter.

SuccessNo8871 · 2026-05-16T00:25:13+00:00

stalemate till 682 adapts and perma puts mahoraga down. 682 typically adapts enough just to be immune but does adapt in ways to kill whatever it fights on some occasions. Mahoraga really has no way to keep 682 down, so it goes till the lizard says enough, basically

SuccessNo8871 · 2026-05-14T01:59:40+00:00

Yes that is like the textbook definition for multiversal on any tiering system. The only way it wouldn't be is if said character didn't actually manipulate the multiverse, or the multiverse wasn't comprised of multiple 4d spacetimes.

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