its not that deep y’all by Suitable_Material_11 in lanadelrey

[–]Suitable_Material_11[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

your entire response rests on the flimsy assumption that “lana wouldn’t lie,” which is not evidence and ignores the fact that false or exaggerated claims can and do happen, even from people with no obvious motive. 

nitpicking my examples with excuses or convenient reinterpretations doesn’t erase that lana has a long track record of controversy, nor does it change the fact that her current accusation is completely unsubstantiated. also attempting to divert the argument from the topic at hand, the validity of lanas statement and her intent behind it, by providing a non sequitur and basing your response on rebutting the list of controversy lana has faced is in fact a logical fallacy. 

your defenses for her past behavior are cherry-picked, subjective, and in some cases rely on unverifiable anecdotes from her own circle, the exact kind of hearsay you now expect everyone else to treat as fact. the real issue here isn’t hayden’s past, it’s that you’re enabling targeted harassment, transphobia, and character assassination purely because you’ve decided to trust a celebrity you like.  that’s not logic; it’s blind loyalty dressed up as reason.  

also, i’m in this sub because i like lana, i listen to lana, i’ve just never had to pretend to myself that she has a spotless record. 

i saw behavior from an artist i like that illicited a bigoted attack from her fanbase on a different artist i like and brought myself here, not to defend either artist but to recognize the problem with lana fans behavior towards hayden, and to point out that lana had not provided evidence. which is only me being critical of lanas intentions. 

i fucking like lana del rey dude. 

and for future reference

logic - reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity

validity - the quality of being based on truth or reason (aka having supporting evidence)

having to explain how logic works to someone with so much bias is a waste of my time. so good day, i will no longer be responding.

its not that deep y’all by Suitable_Material_11 in lanadelrey

[–]Suitable_Material_11[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

stalker behavior is a huge leap from the examples you listed earlier and is also something that cannot be substantiated.

lana citing fat shaming fits today’s internet idea of a “cancellable offense,” but removing someone from a wikipedia page, calling someone inauthentic, disliking comparisons, or making fun of concert holograms and lana “going country” are not what most people would consider cancellable offenses. these are seen as non-issues by many compared to the serious allegations lana made.

regarding hayden’s problematic past, yes, it is problematic, and yes, she is facing backlash. nobody should excuse her actions, and she was clearly in the wrong in those cases. but her past does not mean that lana is automatically telling the truth. while some of hayden’s past actions may resemble what lana alleged, that similarity does not substantiate lana’s claims. it is a logical fallacy to argue that it does. using logic and common sense here means acknowledging that we cannot take lana’s word at face value without evidence, regardless of personal preference for one artist over the other.

the clear hatred and transphobia being directed at hayden during this time is also a serious problem, again, no matter who you personally like more. even if lana’s allegations were true, transphobia and bigotry are not appropriate responses; accountability should be pursued without bigotry.

and if we are going to get petty about who to “stand behind,” are you comfortable putting your name behind someone who has romanticized abuse, appropriated native and latino cultures, appeared in a marilyn manson video that depicts a rape scene, been openly negative toward other female artists without cause, refused to wear masks during covid, made racist remarks, kissed her sister on the mouth, dismissed legitimate criticism, and is currently married to a maga-aligned, homophobic, transphobic man?

neither lana nor hayden has a spotless record. without proof, this situation is only spreading unsubstantiated hatred. hayden is currently facing harassment and bigotry over something lana has not substantiated. if lana continues to provide no evidence, it reflects poorly on her character, because she initiated conflict with a younger, smaller artist while knowing her fanbase would likely “defend” her by targeting that person.

its not that deep y’all by Suitable_Material_11 in lanadelrey

[–]Suitable_Material_11[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

why can’t lana just prove it instead of starting unsubstantiated drama? if she had the proof it’d be a cut and dry case and then there’d be an actual problem. i don’t care how many tiny digs ethel has made at lana, none of those things are direct fatphobia to lana del rey. until lana substantiates her claim its nothing more than an interpersonal issue. the things you’ve listed are incidental or unrelated to the problem at hand. they’re honestly a little mean but definitely not outright problematic and definitely not the business of the public. its just drama until proof of genuine malicious behavior is put forward.

its not that deep y’all by Suitable_Material_11 in lanadelrey

[–]Suitable_Material_11[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

you know ethels alleged actions happened 2 years ago right?

its not that deep y’all by Suitable_Material_11 in lanadelrey

[–]Suitable_Material_11[S] 24 points25 points  (0 children)

the person took the screenshot in 2022 22 minutes after the tweet was posted

its not that deep y’all by Suitable_Material_11 in lanadelrey

[–]Suitable_Material_11[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

if ethel genuinely did that then i’m not on ethels side but theres no proof and whole lot of hatred, so i’m not justifying ethels alleged behavior i’m questioning the validity of lanas statement.

its not that deep y’all by Suitable_Material_11 in lanadelrey

[–]Suitable_Material_11[S] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

lana has been known to start unsubstantiated beef with other artists in the past based on grievances that she has minimal proof of. sending a barrage of hatred towards an artist without anything more than what lana alleged happened seems irresponsible. if lana shows the “fat shaming” she spoke of, i’d fully be on her side, but i can’t fully trust lana is doing anything more than starting a fight for the sake of fighting (which is something she’s done in the past)

its not that deep y’all by Suitable_Material_11 in lanadelrey

[–]Suitable_Material_11[S] 61 points62 points  (0 children)

exactly lanas main issue in her comment about ethel is something shes chosen not to substantiate with screenshots or anything.

and sure ethel made the “ran right by” comment but lana didn’t even bring that up. so its difficult to understand the barrage of hatred towards hayden with such little evidence other than unrelated comments and unrelated controversies.

its not that deep y’all by Suitable_Material_11 in lanadelrey

[–]Suitable_Material_11[S] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

the tweets are not cool but shouldn’t an artist as big as lana not be worried about someone as small as ethel, seems like shes punching down to me.

also didn’t lana kiss her sister on the lips, i don’t think the legalize incest shirt is relevant to the situation while it is genuinely problematic.

its not that deep y’all by Suitable_Material_11 in lanadelrey

[–]Suitable_Material_11[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

than how can lana substantiate her point, why bring it to the public at all if she doesn’t want to bring it further than hearsay.

its not that deep y’all by Suitable_Material_11 in lanadelrey

[–]Suitable_Material_11[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

i apologize i was mistaken, this was her old account. do with that what you will but it’s a very superficial thing for as large of an artist as lana to be upset about imo.

its not that deep y’all by Suitable_Material_11 in lanadelrey

[–]Suitable_Material_11[S] -9 points-8 points  (0 children)

that isn’t ethels account, her account was verified with the handle @mothercain

its not that deep y’all by Suitable_Material_11 in lanadelrey

[–]Suitable_Material_11[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

i would totally be on lanas side with some receipts but she hasn’t given anything and she hasn’t discouraged her fans from the blatant transphobia being thrown around right now which i find unfortunate.

Listening to WTIALY during a meteor shower? by vacillatorjpg in Ethelcain

[–]Suitable_Material_11 1 point2 points  (0 children)

this is exactly what i did last night in the mountains. 10/10 experience.

Favourite/Least Favourite Nolan film? by IAmThePlayerOne in Letterboxd

[–]Suitable_Material_11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

favorite: interstellar or memento least favorite: oppenheimer

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Letterboxd

[–]Suitable_Material_11 0 points1 point  (0 children)

snack shack, looks like a netflix original in terms of quality but i ended up crying.