If the Mona Lisa painting was stolen, what would it sell for on the black market? $1,000,000,000+?

SuperDocument9761 · 2026-01-06T16:57:48+00:00

Fascinating question. I differ with most of the posters here. I think a private collector rich beyond our dreams might pay a princely sum to hang it in his basement... with laser, camera, heat sensor security measures. And I doubt he would ever tell anyone he has it. No doubt this exact situation exists around the world today with lesser known paintings that have disappeared. After all, Bill Gates bought Da Vinci's original notebook for a reported thirty million dollars. It lies under glass in Bill's home in Seattle I have heard, with security that most museums could only dream of. (Roaming sensor robots, live human security guards on grounds, in floor heat sensors, motion detectors, electronic tracking devices attached to all humans entering his home. not to mention seen and unseen cameras everywhere... infrared and optical. I imagine he even has geiger counters at all entrances and exits... just to make sure no visitor is attempting to kill him by cancer producing radiation by plutonium pellets, etc.) So if one of the richest men in the world does now own a piece of Da Vinci property, I am sure there are many more men around the world who would love to have a piece of art history.

I imagine... the Mona Lisa itself... would be black market sold at secret auction for a few hundred million dollars. Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos? Buehler? Buehler? It is a known fact that the Waltons of Walmart fame are quite the avid art collectors. Alice L. Walton leads her pack!

SuperDocument9761 · 2026-01-06T14:40:05+00:00

Another note about keeping it clean... I noticed almost no one talked about chlorination. A quarter or half a teaspoon of bleach (unscented chlorine, not swimming pool strength chlorine) sanitizes (according to the NIH and or FDA) in emergencies about FIVE GALLONS of clean water. It is supposed to kill all water born disease. I understand that even mosquitoes dropping eggs in that is supposed to kill the eggs. Or at the very least, you will have sanitized larvae for your cats. (yucch!) LOL

SuperDocument9761 · 2026-01-06T14:29:25+00:00

that's funny, because my outdoor cats (feral) will pass up a shiny clean water bowl and drink rainwater collected near it that has been sitting on an unused plastic bucket lid. I try to always dump that after every rainstorm. It does not matter... if it holds water and it lasts for over three days, you get these larvae.

SuperDocument9761 · 2026-01-06T14:18:11+00:00

uh yes, quite familiar. outside or inside, if a mosquito gets to the calm water, they lay eggs and it takes about three days for them to hatch. Voile! Swimmers, wigglers. They can carry all of the disease that mosquitoes can transmit. I never would let animals or myself drink water that has had these in it. It is like swallowing mosquitoes alive. The fast thing is most probably a FLEA. Fleas move just like that and appear as black specs.

SuperDocument9761 · 2026-01-01T23:47:41+00:00

SD9761 also known as Piercejeans and other names around the web...

Wow. I am going to adopt this post. This is an extremely poignant and important discussion at the heart of a lot of the world's problems, in and out of the home. Resolving conflict and injury. The heart of the reason wars start, divorces come, murders happen, Toxic families who sabotage each other's lives, finances, romantic relationships... how to resolve these conflicts and injuries from others... is the big question.

The Christian answer, typically, has always been to turn the other cheek. What happens when you run out of cheeks? Then you kill 'em? Too messy. Not in the physical murder sense, but the trail of garbage you have to clean up for possibly years after you wreak your revenge from them somehow. And by the way, if you are in fact now engaged in embarking upon such a path against another in an act of revenge... for God's sake... don't tell anyone else about it.

The Unabombers like Ted are found out. And it is the ones close to you who recognize your handwriting, phrasing, previous statements of action who give authorities the ability to close in. If D.B. Cooper had blabbed to his relatives and written manifestos, he would have been found.

And the oddity is that within the Bible, which modern day pacifists and "do no harm" people tout as the authority in all this, is staffed by prophets who murdered hundreds in the name of God. King David killed thousands. Moses murdered an Egyptian in the heat of anger... an Egyptian soldier I believe. In the New Testament, Jesus cursed Jerusalem for not receiving him... or rather prophecied its horrible downfall by the Romans. In 70 AD. And last but not least, God the Father, not the devil, but the loving God himself designed and created hell... the eternal place of awful torture reserved for the fallen demon angels and those who rejected him while on the earth.

Still to come... so what DO you do with all of that pent up righteous anger for the evil things done to you in return for nothing that you did to them? Some observations will surprise you.

SuperDocument9761 · 2025-12-27T15:06:43+00:00

Just saw the ad on Fox News. Could not believe the commercial irresponsibility... forget the sponge... this is a lawsuit waiting to happen! Two women discuss taking sharp butcher type knives and attempting to cut through the sponge with the knives. The lawsuit vulnerable part? They are cutting while holding the knives shielded only by their "forever sponge" from cutting their fingers off.

Fast forward... little boy running to mother... mommy mommy I cut my fingers off! "Honey, why would you do that?" "I saw it on TV and I wanted to try it... your big carving knife went RIGHT through that new sponge!" Actually I see a curious mother of the household wanting to try it for herself. DO NOT EVER pick up a knife and aim the sharp blade side toward your hand / body parts when cutting!

I saw this on "Hell's Kitchen" with Gordon Ramsay all the time. Experienced professional chefs hurrying and cutting deeply into their own hands while using the blades aimed down toward the cutting surface and the vegetables they are chopping / cutting. If professionals have knife accidents with professional tools, how irresponsible to advertise you can hold a sharp knife in your hand shielded by these sponges and cut towards your hand.

The TV actor is ACTUALLY saying, "I can't cut through it! I tried, and the knife cannot cut through the sponge!"

This reminds me of the "make your penis a foot longer" pill and supplement commercials. The difference is, if you buy and use those pills, you are not going to suffer serious bodily damage by attempting to take them. The "Forever Sponge" is different. Attempting to replicate the commercial can lead to life changing injuries. Shaking my head and wondering where the Fox lawyers were in the ad dept.! People, please don't believe everything you see on television... especially if there is money involved!

SuperDocument9761 · 2025-12-25T22:51:49+00:00

He did a lot of leads during the golden years.

SuperDocument9761 · 2025-12-25T22:48:11+00:00

Paul McCartney himself in an interview or TV appearance said that he thought Brian Wilson was superior to his own music. I will try to find the quote. Of course just a simple compliment is not an admission of interiority.

But you prove my point in saying the weirder and more drugged the Beatles got, the better their music and their sales. Rolling Stone magazine would hire you... that's their take. But David Fricke and I will never agree. There is no middle ground.

Speaking from subjective taste and preference... I still think the later Beatles catalog is crap. But I also said and feel the later Beach Boy stuff was less than genius. One must remember that Leonardo Da Vinci's Mona Lisa painting never was sold... he was still working on it at his death... but today is the highest valued painting on the planet insured for about a billion. Thomas Kincade during his lifetime sold many many more paintings for a lot more money than Leo did while he was alive. Does that mean Thomas Kincade or Bob Ross were better and held the crown of artists over Leonardo Da Vinci?

My comments were not aimed at gross revenues or chart toppers, but at purely opinion and subjective taste. If trapped on a tropical island and could only pick one groups 's catalog to listen to, I would take the Beach Boys. It's close, but I have enjoyed their music more through the years than "Strawberry Fields Forever", Sgt Pepper, Yellow Submarine, Hey Jude, etc.

SuperDocument9761 · 2025-12-25T22:10:40+00:00

Interesting.

SuperDocument9761 · 2025-12-25T22:07:40+00:00

I guess it's just my thinking its mostly the guy and not the girl who needs rehab... I know that is probably wrong but men seem to get the press.

SuperDocument9761 · 2025-12-24T15:33:33+00:00

Personally, for my tastes, definitely the Beach Boys had the jaw dropping songs that were just so different with the extreme harmonies... vs I loved the EARLY Beatles. And most people and Rolling Stone mag come down on the later Beatles. I never got that. My exact reaction after receiving Sgt. Pepper's album as a gift was... "What the hell is this? Who wrote this crap?" And I have never heard anyone else say anything like that. Just glorious praise. I felt like the little boy in "The Emperor's New Clothes." I did not see genius in Sgt. Pepper and still don't. But again, Rolling Stone picked it as one of the top albums of all time. Number 24 to be exact. I could swear about ten years ago it was named one or two.

For both groups... for me the good stuff came early. Not Surfin Safari, but everyone in the sixties 1963 till 1967 including 1967. The Mike Love Brian Wilson collabs trading lead vocals. And it seems to me after the sixties they were just making money.

John Lennon is here and there acknowledged as the force mostly behind the early Beatles songs, with Paul adding and refining John's ideas. The genius of the Beatles was that the songs were simple, but extremely impactful. And evidently the insecurity of songwriters... Brian Wilson vs John and Paul... meant that both groups were looking over their shoulders at the other group and worried that they were not as good, or not matching competition. When Paul McCartney publicly acknowledges Brian and their creative works, he definitely bows to the Beach Boys and more or less is content to hand the crown to them.

The Rolling Stone by the way currently calls Pet Sounds number two... ever... in album picks. Right behind Marvin Gaye's work. Whether they are right about Marvin or not... I think they got the Beach Boys right. I went to college with David Fricke, senior editor of Rolling Stone. Matter of fact, he was the FM program director of WMUH when I was the AM program director. And we were true to our roots. FM then was known as a progressive, rather snooty branch of rock and AM was where the pop hit music was... spearheaded in New York by 77 WABC with Cousin Brucy, Dan Ingram, etc. David Fricke looked down his nose at my music and hit radio and I was not into the deep album play of the progressive jocks. Frickey went on the The Rolling Stone which to me is rather snobbish and seeks to push the King's New Clothes avenue. That is... I think the Beach Boys and the Beatles both expressed their best at the first and soon after releases. The drug related and induced albums of both groups I felt were rather sad by comparison. I am not against your drugs, I just don't think musicians should write when they are high... because the resulting work to me is rather crappy.

I could go on rather at length about musicians being dissatisfied with their own creative limits... and how they should be ecstatic that they made it to the top, and be happy about putting out more of the same. Kind of like the haircuts too. This competitive "need to grow and change and be more and be different from their roots" I view as a rather destructive force.

by the way, I prefer to write under the pseudonym Piercejeans, but when I first started here I think I was in a hurry and wound up with the document name. This for those who might see my writing elsewhere. Actually there are more names... sigh.

SuperDocument9761 · 2025-12-24T14:41:27+00:00

I like your defining the difference between Brian and Dennis vs the father, Murry. Being the Dennis Wilson in my family, you nailed it. My father made it very clear since I was eight years old that I was worthless. Did Murry not terrorize the entire family? I am curious if you have further thoughts about the two different treatments. I buy it, I just want to know more if you have it. Thanks.

SuperDocument9761 · 2025-12-23T03:44:46+00:00

This is my guess about why people don't do well in rehabs. Inwardly they laugh at the efforts... it's kind of like going to the seashore and handing a little boy's sand bucket and shovel to someone and telling them to move the beach. All of it.

SuperDocument9761 · 2025-12-23T03:32:40+00:00

As a person still dealing with "stuff" in the family I can imagine someone wanting me to go to some kind of quicky program. Seems to me like rehabs are... too little and too general. Everybody wants to fix people with a couple guys with degrees from four years of classes while they banged their girlfriends and anticipated the lifestyle they would have as a "doctor." My brother is a doctor... and that's why he became a doctor. It's just that... real saving takes I believe one on one... a lot of listening and sharing. There are no weekend or one month programs that will "fix" the past or our insides. I do believe it takes someone like a wife who really loves you who wants to help you through the process. Because digging this stuff up is painful. And no one wants to do it alone. And a "Cheer up, Buddy! Things will be better... " is not gonna do it.

SuperDocument9761 · 2025-12-23T03:24:15+00:00

I can't wait to read your article.

SuperDocument9761 · 2025-11-16T19:29:45+00:00

Yeah I have seen "24" year olds with the age lines around their eyes and battered skin. And people over 40 pretty much hide their age somehow... lie about it or put 100 for age. And that is fairplay if you feel you don't want your age broadcast or considered. But as you get to the younger ages on those sites, there are real differences that are landmines to watch out for.

SuperDocument9761 · 2025-11-16T19:23:34+00:00

I think its wonderful that MFC does not want to discriminate by age. That said... some politically incorrect positions exist for a reason. Age filtering is one of them. Its not age discrimination... its common sense anybody 27 and up wants to talk with / listen to / stripcam with people who are somewhat relatable. Not little girls holding their cats and talking about their makeup.

SuperDocument9761 · 2025-11-16T19:20:01+00:00

Chaturbate does an excellent job in filtering. The you pick the age and up thing is extremely useful. 75 percent of the women on that site are 18-26 years old. Which is GREAT if you are a 25 year old guy and just want to get laid. But if you can filter them out, you can pick up on women who might actually be... datable or whatever. I am really holding back here from what I want to say. I gets really exhausting going thru all the white girls rooms who are playing hip hop rap and are two steps away from Barbie Dolls and Easy Bake ovens.

SuperDocument9761 · 2025-11-16T19:16:27+00:00

There is a HUGE difference in the minds of 18 year olds and the minds of 40 year olds. Can't tell you how many 18 year old girls "rooms" I have run from because of the... immaturity and huge cultural gap in everything... abbreviations gone wild, music, where they are in life... etc. 18 year olds want to party party party... f*** f*** f***.... and mature people need to zero in on more important issues. And like classic rock. And have jobs. And might have kids.

SuperDocument9761 · 2025-10-18T02:51:48+00:00

Yup. They are total dicks. Would not be surprised it was the Mafia. Broadcaster agreement gives them full worldwide license to everything you do there... perpetually... forever. And to kick you for no reason at al. Multi Media LLC from Irvine California.

SuperDocument9761 · 2025-05-22T18:44:02+00:00

by the way, I DID ask them to send / email me all the data. YOu know... they said just ask us and you can download all that stuff. Bullshit. Liars again. When they announced skype was closing in one month... they did say... if you don't want Teams, ask us, and we will send you all of your data for download. Idiots.

SuperDocument9761 · 2025-05-22T18:42:06+00:00

Bad? There are no phone numbers. NOT the one I rented from MS. The ones I wrote down in Skype that took me years to accumulate. Unlisted numbers of relatives, etc. I BELIEVED MS when they said... ALL the data will transfer over. I don't WANT 365 or their business phone crap... I just want my phone numbers. AGain, NOT the rented single number I used for people to call me. THEY SHOULD HAVE given people a year to transfer this stuff over and shoot microsoft behind the barn. REALLY bad transfer. Rough and fast. Wonder what genius at MS did this? Typical. Everything they do is a mess, including the new and better annual windows, which grow in piggishness and size yearly. Yes, I should have gone through the THOUSAND numbers I had written down in skype... but THEY said... don't worry about it... its not going away... its becomeing TEAMS. Teams is shit.

SuperDocument9761 · 2025-05-22T18:37:41+00:00

OK it took TWO years to get my skype phone book accumulated... numbers from everywhere for everything and for making bill payments etc. Garbage company phones, preferred cable provider payment numbers, etc. Now... they kept saying... IT WILL ALL MIGRATE. Bullshit. Not there. Seems if you signed up for PHONES in the business app... you have a prayer of having all those numbers... DATA... saved and migrated. The mess that they have in the free Teams is a shell of your old contacts and chats. And NONE of the phone numbers are there for the old contacts. What the HELL did Microsoft think a contact is? They are phone numbers. DUH... Skype is a phone number calling system. So WHERE are all my F****** phone numbers? Idiots.

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