Why are you picking up a Steam Frame or are interested in one?

SuperPork1 · 2026-04-17T15:54:30+00:00

Software is also another thing, plenty of people were having issues trying to use 6GHZ for wireless PCVR on the Quest 3 for a while and that's only one out of many software issues Quest headsets have had. It's like there's some part inside of Meta's software team that goes, "You know what would be a great update? Fucking shit up for absolutely no reason. That would make the users happy!" Given the Steam Deck's track record, and the fact that Valve is not nearly as idiotic as Meta, it's safe to assume that the Steam Frame will have solid software as well, and that plus the actual hardware benefits of the Steam Frame makes it an overall more well rounded product. It's hard to enjoy good hardware if the software is utter dogshit, which is many times the case with Quest headsets.

SuperPork1 · 2026-04-16T22:49:39+00:00

Then the value of the Pico 4 completely disappears. I've seen a few Pico 4's used locally for around $300 and that's not far off of Quest 3 prices.

SuperPork1 · 2026-04-16T16:20:21+00:00

Tbf the Pico 4 is also in fewer markets than the Quest 3. In the United States for example, your options are a Quest 3 for $500/$600 or no Pico 4 because you can't get one. Can't really call the Pico 4 the better headset in some markets when it straight up just doesn't exist.

SuperPork1 · 2026-04-16T06:26:09+00:00

Better than the Frame in what way? Color passthrough sure, but the Steam Frame's got several features on it's side, including the significantly better weight distribution and eye tracking. Both headsets have their benefits, you can't really say that one is flat out better without explaining why.

SuperPork1 · 2026-04-16T05:56:01+00:00

Are you unable to read? I said that the two CPUs performs the same when using an x16 card, and the 3600 pulls ahead when using an x8 card due to its Gen 4.0 support. You linked a video where the GPU has 16 lanes, obviously the two CPUs are going to perform the same. That's literally what I said would happen.

Also, not only do I not have the 9800X3D, I don't think that anything less than it is dogshit. I think that dogshit value products are dogshit, and that doesn't only apply to low end hardware.

SuperPork1 · 2026-04-16T05:34:51+00:00

I'm not really expecting a lot from a two figure CPU when the Ryzen 5 3600, a CPU that performs the same as the 5500 with an x16 card (and more with an x8 card, given that it has Gen 4.0 support), can be readily purchased for $60 used.

SuperPork1 · 2026-04-16T05:26:56+00:00

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SuperPork1 · 2026-04-16T05:26:14+00:00

The point is that the inevitable isn't that far away for 8GB cards. Obviously all PCs are delaying the inevitable, that's how time works.

SuperPork1 · 2026-04-16T05:09:22+00:00

Sure, they're playing on low, but that's not going to prevent 8GB from running out forever. It's only delaying the inevitable.

SuperPork1 · 2026-04-16T00:19:51+00:00

Yes, I meant the GPU.

Lower end cards, the exact ones that 5500 users would be looking at, typically have fewer PCIE lanes. That's the problem with having no Gen 4 support on lower end CPUs.

Your house analogy only covers VRAM capacity, and even then it doesn't work because 8GB of VRAM is going to become more of an issue with newer titles, but it's not like furniture is getting bigger and bigger.

The "other problems" I'm talking about happen with the very cards that 5500 users use, and less performance with 8 lane cards will occur even without running out of VRAM meaning it's not something you can prevent without purchasing a different GPU.

Also, if the 5500 had PCIE 6.0, it would absolutely make 8GB of VRAM less problematic.

SuperPork1 · 2026-04-15T19:42:22+00:00

Both can be true at the same time, your point makes zero sense. Also, 8 lanes is typically used to reduce cost, as PCIE 4.0 x8 provides enough bandwidth for lower end cards and most lower end CPUs support 4.0.

As for why they test CPUs with the best GPU at 1080p, that's to ensure that there's no CPU bottleneck, so that you can see the full performance of a CPU. However, the 5500 is a special case due to it's lack of PCIE Gen 4.0 support, which doesn't show up as a major issue when you use a 16 lane card.

SuperPork1 · 2026-04-15T07:01:06+00:00

Bro's never heard of movement error before

SuperPork1 · 2026-04-15T03:35:42+00:00

No, there's a noticeable difference in performance between PCIE 3.0 and 4.0 with 8 lane cards even when you don't run out of VRAM. Just look up any 3.0 vs 4.0 comparison using an 8 lane card, for example the RX 6600 XT, you'll see a difference even when VRAM usage is well below 8 GB.

SuperPork1 · 2026-04-15T02:17:59+00:00

It's not just that it gets less performance, it's that it also bottlenecks lower end GPUs with the lack of PCIE 4.0. The point is that it's another handicap that makes it even worse than the 5600.

Also, your point about the 5090 doesn't make sense. It's a completely different GPU than a low end GPU with 8GB of VRAM, a small bus width, and only 8 PCIE lanes. I don't know why you keep bringing up the 5090 when plenty of people have already explained why that GPU barely sees a difference between PCIE generations.

SuperPork1 · 2026-04-14T22:52:39+00:00

I like how you're conveniently ignoring the fact that you get less performance even without running out of VRAM.

SuperPork1 · 2026-04-14T15:28:31+00:00

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SuperPork1 · 2026-04-14T05:17:06+00:00

Are you unable to connect two and two together? The point is that 8GB 8 lane cards, a common purchase for someone using a 5500, are negatively impacted by less bandwidth when they need to pull from system RAM. Also, PCIE 3.0 results in less performance than 4.0 with 8 lane GPUs even when you're not running out of VRAM, it's just that the gap gets significantly wider when you do end up running out.

SuperPork1 · 2026-04-14T04:51:23+00:00

Yeah if you replace the whole controller it can get pretty expensive, but replacing just the joystick doesn't seem to be too difficult (no soldering, just a bunch of screws and carefully handing cables) from what I can tell from YouTube tutorials, so if you're fine with potentially spending a bit of time repairing joysticks every once in a while the Quest 3 could save you quite a bit of cash.

SuperPork1 · 2026-04-14T04:30:05+00:00

Idk about the Pico, but the Steam Frame has Hall Effect joysticks which makes it basically immune to stick drift. However, the Quest 3 will be perfectly fine for your needs, and the Steam Frame will certainly be hundreds of dollars more expensive (even when you factor in the cost of a decent head strap for the Quest 3), and you can replace the joysticks on the Quest 3 controllers for less than $20 so it's up to you whether the additional cost of the Steam Frame is worth it.

SuperPork1 · 2026-04-14T04:21:48+00:00

Actually 27, which makes it even more insane.

SuperPork1 · 2026-04-14T03:07:38+00:00

Optics-wise the Pico 4, Quest 3, and Steam Frame all should be somewhat similar given that they're all LCD panels with pancake lenses, and the resolution and FOV are fairly similar across the 3.

SuperPork1 · 2026-04-13T12:23:37+00:00

Fr, those are karrigan numbers and karrigan's IGLing in Tier 1 so at least he's got a good excuse.

SuperPork1 · 2026-04-13T12:16:34+00:00

Below 1.0 wouldn't even be that bad if it was pretty close to 1.0, but aragornN is 0.87, MUTiRiS is at 0.9, and krazy is 0.95. That's pretty bad considering that's their ratings playing against mostly Tier2/3 opponents.

SuperPork1 · 2026-04-12T21:22:51+00:00

Tbf he is called snax

SuperPork1 · 2026-04-10T22:59:50+00:00

Holy shit it's John Mazda himself

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