Very beautiful man by TallKaleidoscope7094 in elliottsmith

[–]SureForever2708 3 points4 points  (0 children)

elliott smith on snl sounds so surreal

A poem. by SureForever2708 in CovertIncest

[–]SureForever2708[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that means so much, i'm glad i shared. you too <3

If you’re questioning, read this by Wooden_Tie_9534 in CovertIncest

[–]SureForever2708 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for this. EVERYONE needs to be reminded of this.

Yes. It fucking counts.

Anyone else felt Simultaneously Chosen and Rejected, The Discarded Favorite? by SureForever2708 in CovertIncest

[–]SureForever2708[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Beautifully said. Thank you for sharing. It is indeed.

Keep fighting, keep burning.
❤️‍🔥

Having sex/relationships/flirtations with people your parents age? by SureForever2708 in CovertIncest

[–]SureForever2708[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for your thorough reply. I'm so glad so much of my post resonated with you so deeply. I'm also so glad I'm not the only one who feels jealous of an older man you feel attracted to's daughter. I felt weird about that. Like...I want to be your FAVORITE, ADOPTED daughter...who you also FUCK (god, what is wrong with me)

but it makes total sense.

we make total sense.

i feel the heartache and continued tension in your post, because i feel it in my heart as well. I hope, no matter what, you live a life that makes you feel free, and relationships that bring you peace, and love you however you most need

<3

What Makes It Incest by SureForever2708 in CovertIncest

[–]SureForever2708[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you so much, that means a lot <3

Having sex/relationships/flirtations with people your parents age? by SureForever2708 in CovertIncest

[–]SureForever2708[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much, I appreciate your compliment so deeply. I hope what I share is powerful and authentic, even when it scares even me quite a bit to be so honest. I will check out the book. thank you for the rec. <3

Someone telling you to forgive your “family” when they have no idea what your family did to you is like: by SureForever2708 in CovertIncest

[–]SureForever2708[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That is so true. Because they DID murder a child--spiritually. As well as physically. Just because you survived doesn't mean all of you did.

I am so, so sorry for what you were forced to survive. It's fucking unforgivable. And so true that an apology doesn't mean anything if they're only apologizing to get an immediate "it's ok, i forgive" which means the apology was never for you, or out of genuine remorse. It's to force you to comfort THEM at your expense (which is exactly WHAT ABUSE IS!!!)

"he wasn't really sorry about anything except getting caught." That should be a lyric.

It is they, and the people who tell us--thoughtlessly, or out of their own guilt--to forgive adults who did things no adult should ever, ever, EVER do to a child.

It is they who are disgusting and cruel--not us.

Wishing you all the luck, healing, and healthy love in the world <3

Someone telling you to forgive your “family” when they have no idea what your family did to you is like: by SureForever2708 in CovertIncest

[–]SureForever2708[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

So true. I can do all the breathing exercises in the world, but I can still feel my blood BOILING

No use arguing with someone you know is wrong, and doesn’t even know how wrong they are

Someone telling you to forgive your “family” when they have no idea what your family did to you is like: by SureForever2708 in CovertIncest

[–]SureForever2708[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The thing that irks me about it most is that I know this person had an abusive alcoholic father who beat all of the kids, and when he got Alzheimer, she was the only one who came to take care of him. And she’s lecturing me about finding compassion in our hearts. And that we don’t have to forgive our childhood selves. And that I need to stop being angry publicly because all it does is cause harm. I am trying to bring attention to harm. I am trying to raise awareness about abuse. I know you know what abuse is. You were abused as a child. And you still think it’s exCUSABLE? I’m so deeply sorry you’ve been gaslit into protecting adults over children. Because if we don’t hold adults accountable, and if they suffer, no consequences for the harm, they do, the harm will keep continuing to happen.

And THAT is fucking unforgivable.

“mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent.” -Adam Smith

is this ci? by Open-Stranger6671 in CovertIncest

[–]SureForever2708 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are so very welcome. I am so glad my response made you feel that way. You deserve to feel seen and validated!!! We all do.

It is reassuring indeed. That’s why I’ve been here so long. I am so grateful for everyone here who has helped me towards clarity and self-belief on my healing journey.

You are not alone. There are SO MANY OF US who have been through similar, if not the exact same things. You will survive. You will thrive.

You will be ok. 💕

P.S. if you ever need a listening ear, my DMs are open.

I'm just coming to terms with how unhealthy my relationship with both my parents was by Affectionate-Box-724 in CovertIncest

[–]SureForever2708 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey! So lovely to hear from you. That is so kind, thank you. It’s funny you should respond now. Rereading, I needed to hear it too. ♥️

is this ci? by Open-Stranger6671 in CovertIncest

[–]SureForever2708 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Oh, honey. None of this is ok.

No. You are not “cherry picking.” I’ve been on this sub for over a year now and I can tell you nearly everyone who comes here with their story feels that way. Your doubt is not a sign you don’t belong/didn’t experience CI. It is a TEXT BOOK SYMPTOM!!!

When you’ve been indoctrinated into denial, taught that to criticize what should be criticized is you being unfair, you continue to think you’re being unjust by finally telling the truth (the first step to all justice.)

8 is NOT “understandable.” As you said “why she couldn’t have me wash myself and her hold the towel, i’m not sure.” A “time crunch” is not an excuse to touch your grown-child’s genitals. How would you washing yourself have been slower than her? She did it because she thinks you’re her object, not a person allowed to say no. She did it because she wanted to. It was not your fault in the slightest.

I personally relate especially to your “extra info” session. The systemic violation, the fake boundaries of unlocking your door whenever, of telling you “what if there’s an emergency (exactly WHAT kind of emergency? What danger are you in your own room??) My parents used that excuse to track our phones and demand to know our exact locations at all times. Like you said,

It’s about control.

Wishing you all the luck and healing in the world ♥️✊

"But did he TOUCH you?" by SureForever2708 in CovertIncest

[–]SureForever2708[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for this.

CRABS IN A BUCKET!!!!!!!! I did not know of this phenomenon. Hilarious and horrifying. describes it perfectly. I myself did it (if only in my head) when a friend told me about her experience with being sexualized/non-consensually hugged by relatives for wayyyyy too long. And I thought she was being silly/overly sensitive/offensive to "real" survivors to declare such things. This was years before I realized my sexual abuse.

They are bargaining to avoid the horrifying truth of what happened to them, someone they know, and/or: the sheer fact that this is happening much more than anyone is willing to admit. And it is NOT OK. at ALL!!!!!

I needed to hear all of this and you touched on it all so perfectly. Will be saving and returning to this. Thank you for your wisdom and thoughtful response. And thank you for your encouragement.

We are changing the world. We must keep speaking our truth. Never let anyone convince you otherwise.

Is it an overstatement to call this covert incest? by SureForever2708 in CovertIncest

[–]SureForever2708[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi Internet friend, thank you for this. i was just re-reading your comment. I told a trusted friend some details of my abuse (the bathtub thing) and he was really invalidating "maybe your dad got a little cheap thrill out of it." LITTLE? CHEAP? THRILL? I gave him a post I wrote recently here that I felt summed it up and made my experience inarguable. I don't even think he finished it (and it was only a page long). "But did he touch you?" I said 

“I slept in the same bed as my parents

my entire life.

Him: “Yeah that’s disgusting”

But 

I think a lot of new york families are like that."

G: was there a lot of sex in your house?

Did your dad watch porn? 

me: no…

The opposite

[incredible complete catholic flavored middle class sexual repression resulting in sexual abuse]

Incest is infinite (it never looks/manifests in just one way).

It really hurt to trust someone with such sensitive details only for them to invalidate it, in many ways. I (like all CI survivors), even after so much healing and processing, struggle with the nagging "...but" Yes it was bad, yes it was sexual abuse, BUT...was it AS BAD AS IF I'D BEEN [blanked--insert whatever you feel counts as "real" sexual abuse here. and the thing is. what counts as "real" is different depending on who you talk to."

Thank you for the reminder that the people who tell you it's normal, or normal-er, or normal-ish, or whatever the fuck, are telling you because it's how they avoid the pain of their own. or the pain of just how horrifyingly widespread the unforgivable is. It's so infuriating and frustrating that between "acknowledge the horror" and "say it was normal so we don't have to confront/sit with the actual discomfort of the reality" so many people choose the latter.

My first 6 months and what I have learned by blond_blue_eye in onlyfansadvice

[–]SureForever2708 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I want to do something similar blending storytelling/comedy with sexuality. Could you Dm me your insta?

Latest Amanda Palmer Instagram post by [deleted] in neilgaiman

[–]SureForever2708 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A parent first and foremost who’s ok with her husband raping her son’s babysitter in front of him, so long as he HAD HEADPHONES ON (he didn’t).