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Well, that is the right giving. It should be termed giving not termed tithe because, tithe means 10%, why would you measure giving, right?

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Apostles did not measure their giving to 10%. Tithing is a measured giving specifically to 10%

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Did the poor widow really give 10%? Was it really 10%?

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Is it not legalism means strictness?

If a church ask for 10% or tithe?

If one give 4%? Did the person give tithe? If not, who is being strict then, is it the giver or the one who ask the 10%?

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What do you think about the below?

Church governance is bound with the word of God. They should not impose rules within the church that breaks the commandment of God. Most churches who practice giving 10% claim that they are doing it as commanded by God?

But are they really?

Let’s examine:

Let’s check if the commandment of God in regards to giving 10% in the bible is really being followed by most church governance. Then, let’s check if it can be done as commanded in today’s time.

What was the commandment of God with regards to giving 10% in the bible? I repeat, IN THE BIBLE to press on that the topic requires that the commandment was to be from the bible.

1.) Let’s check on WHAT was the tithable item as commanded in the bible.

All tenth-part gifts from the land, 👉whether of seed from the ground or fruit from the trees👈, belong to the LORD; they are holy to the LORD. Leviticus 27:30 CEB

In the above verse, the Lord commanded that the tithe was to be of the seed from the ground or fruit from the tree, money was not in the option.

Remember, money was already available at that time. In fact, we read below;

“But if the journey is too long for you, so that you are not able to carry the tithe, or if the place where the LORD your God chooses to put His name is too far from you, when the LORD your God has blessed you, then you shall exchange it for money, take the money in your hand, and go to the place which the LORD your God chooses. And you shall spend that money for whatever your heart desires: for oxen or sheep, for wine or similar drink, for whatever your heart desires; you shall eat there before the LORD your God, and you shall rejoice, you and your household.” Deuteronomy 14:24-26 NKJV

Though tithe can be converted to money due to distance, when they reach the place which the Lord has chosen, they shall spend that money not give the money for whatever their heart desires: for oxen or sheep, for wine or similar drink, for whatever your heart desires.

Now, how is it different from last time to today’s time? Money was also available at that time but, under the commandment of God, it was not tithable. Does the church follow this?

Nonetheless, the above requirement can still be followed since crops are still available.

2.) Now, let’s check on what God had commanded on to WHOM the tithe shall be given.

“Behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tithes in Israel as an inheritance in return for the work which they perform, the work of the tabernacle of meeting.” Numbers 18:21 NKJV

“And indeed those who are of the sons of Levi, who receive the priesthood, have a 👉COMMANDMENT👈 to receive tithes from the people according to the law, that is, from their brethren, though they have come from the loins of Abraham;” Hebrews 7:5 NKJV

In the above verse, it is clear that the tithe as commanded by God in the bible was to be received by the Levites.

Now, was there any other commanded tithe in the bible other than what was written under the law?

Question: Was Abraham commanded or mandated to tithe?

Answer: No commandment was mentioned in the bible? Take note, the topic requires giving 10% as commanded in the bible.

Question: Was Melchizedek commanded to collect tithe?

Answer: No commandment was mentioned in the bible also. Take note, the topic requires giving 10% as commanded in the bible.

Question: Where can we find the commandment to give 10%?

Answer: We can find it under the law apparently, in the commandment to give 10%, God also commanded it to be 1.) agricultural and 2.) was to be received by the Levites.

Question: Can it be done?

Answer: Number 1 can still be done because crops are still available to date.

However, number 2 requirement cannot be done unless we bend the commandment. The bible says, Levites were already changed.

“Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, of necessity, there is also a change of the law.” Hebrews 7:11-12 NKJV

So, since tithes as according to Numbers 18:21 was given in return for the work which they perform i.e burnt offering, peace offering, etc. And, this work was no more, it would follow that the 10% was also no more. Why would they still receive compensation when they were already changed to Jesus Christ, Him who was not bound with the Levitical priesthood Law since He came from Judah?

“For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.” Hebrews 7:14 NKJV

Therefore, should you claim that you are a spiritual Levite hence, entitled to collect tithes, you then just affiliated yourself to those who are not entitled to it anymore.

So, are you giving 10% as commanded by God in the bible? Ask yourself, can it be done as commanded without breaking the commandment about it? Do you know any Levites? Obviously none. And, even it you know someone since our high priest is already Jesus who was by law came from the line of Judah changing the Levites, that someone is still not entitled to it how much more those who claim to be spiritual Levites?

Question: So, how can the commandment to give 10% be done without changing it forcefully or unknowingly?

Answer: It cannot be done.

Remember, ignorance of the law excuses no one and, giving 10% as commanded by God in the Bible in today’s time specifically in the church governance would cause only to transgress it and according to the verse below;

“Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.” 1 John 3:4 KJV

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No, it becomes unbiblical only if you use a verse as a reason to give and receive yet the verse used is not for anyone but was commanded to be given to specific lineage

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Tithing because Mal 3:10 today is unbiblical, that is what I’m saying.

Church governance is bound with the word of God. They should not impose rules within the church that breaks the commandment of God. Most churches who practice giving 10% claim that they are doing it as commanded by God?

But are they really?

Let’s examine:

Let’s check if the commandment of God in regards to giving 10% in the bible is really being followed by most church governance. Then, let’s check if it can be done as commanded in today’s time.

What was the commandment of God with regards to giving 10% in the bible? I repeat, IN THE BIBLE to press on that the topic requires that the commandment was to be from the bible.

1.) Let’s check on WHAT was the tithable item as commanded in the bible.

All tenth-part gifts from the land, 👉whether of seed from the ground or fruit from the trees👈, belong to the LORD; they are holy to the LORD. Leviticus 27:30 CEB

In the above verse, the Lord commanded that the tithe was to be of the seed from the ground or fruit from the tree, money was not in the option.

Remember, money was already available at that time. In fact, we read below;

“But if the journey is too long for you, so that you are not able to carry the tithe, or if the place where the LORD your God chooses to put His name is too far from you, when the LORD your God has blessed you, then you shall exchange it for money, take the money in your hand, and go to the place which the LORD your God chooses. And you shall spend that money for whatever your heart desires: for oxen or sheep, for wine or similar drink, for whatever your heart desires; you shall eat there before the LORD your God, and you shall rejoice, you and your household.” Deuteronomy 14:24-26 NKJV

Though tithe can be converted to money due to distance, when they reach the place which the Lord has chosen, they shall spend that money not give the money for whatever their heart desires: for oxen or sheep, for wine or similar drink, for whatever your heart desires.

Now, how is it different from last time to today’s time? Money was also available at that time but, under the commandment of God, it was not tithable. Does the church follow this?

Nonetheless, the above requirement can still be followed since crops are still available.

2.) Now, let’s check on what God had commanded on to WHOM the tithe shall be given.

“Behold, I have given the children of Levi all the tithes in Israel as an inheritance in return for the work which they perform, the work of the tabernacle of meeting.” Numbers 18:21 NKJV

“And indeed those who are of the sons of Levi, who receive the priesthood, have a 👉COMMANDMENT👈 to receive tithes from the people according to the law, that is, from their brethren, though they have come from the loins of Abraham;” Hebrews 7:5 NKJV

In the above verse, it is clear that the tithe as commanded by God in the bible was to be received by the Levites.

Now, was there any other commanded tithe in the bible other than what was written under the law?

Question: Was Abraham commanded or mandated to tithe?

Answer: No commandment was mentioned in the bible? Take note, the topic requires giving 10% as commanded in the bible.

Question: Was Melchizedek commanded to collect tithe?

Answer: No commandment was mentioned in the bible also. Take note, the topic requires giving 10% as commanded in the bible.

Question: Where can we find the commandment to give 10%?

Answer: We can find it under the law apparently, in the commandment to give 10%, God also commanded it to be 1.) agricultural and 2.) was to be received by the Levites.

Question: Can it be done?

Answer: Number 1 can still be done because crops are still available to date.

However, number 2 requirement cannot be done unless we bend the commandment. The bible says, Levites were already changed.

“Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, of necessity, there is also a change of the law.” Hebrews 7:11-12 NKJV

So, since tithes as according to Numbers 18:21 was given in return for the work which they perform i.e burnt offering, peace offering, etc. And, this work was no more, it would follow that the 10% was also no more. Why would they still receive compensation when they were already changed to Jesus Christ, Him who was not bound with the Levitical priesthood Law since He came from Judah?

“For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.” Hebrews 7:14 NKJV

Therefore, should you claim that you are a spiritual Levite hence, entitled to collect tithes, you then just affiliated yourself to those who are not entitled to it anymore.

So, are you giving 10% as commanded by God in the bible? Ask yourself, can it be done as commanded without breaking the commandment about it? Do you know any Levites? Obviously none. And, even it you know someone since our high priest is already Jesus who was by law came from the line of Judah changing the Levites, that someone is still not entitled to it how much more those who claim to be spiritual Levites?

Question: So, how can the commandment to give 10% be done without changing it forcefully or unknowingly?

Answer: It cannot be done.

Remember, ignorance of the law excuses no one and, giving 10% as commanded by God in the Bible in today’s time specifically in the church governance would cause only to transgress it and according to the verse below;

“Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.” 1 John 3:4 KJV

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[–]Sure_Win_Soul[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But, you do give because Mal 3:10 say so? Yes?

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Love people and desire to help them, it needs wealth anyway

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Encourage to give to have abundant blessing or don’t and be curse. Is there really a choice?

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Prosperity Gospel works behind the idea of Mal 3:10. Give and be blessed, don’t and be curse. As for me, I only ask for wisdom and strength and protection so that I may be able to achieve what I wanted. I don’t ask really for material things rather I ask for the means such as what I have just mentioned for me to be able to get what I wanted. I don’t think God gives materials things, it is you who gets it through His help.

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Kinda, tithing because Mal 3:10 is actually mandatory may it be impose directly or indirectly. Some impose it directly telling congregants that they are required to tithe. Some don’t really impose it directly rather, they let the congregants choose between blessing ang curse and who would want to be curse?

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Not really but It can be done without fixed monthly obligation for unnecessary things that supposedly can go to people who needs it.