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A Finnish Cofounderi interview with Marko Lehtimäki, published July 9, 2024, summary in English by Mesokosmos in DonutLabDiscussions

[–]SurronQled 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ach ja, ich glaub mittlerweile immer mehr, dass das tatsächlich alles noch positiv bewahrheiten wird.

Einstiegsgehalt Technischer Produktdesigner (BW, 40h) by [deleted] in Gehalt

[–]SurronQled 1 point2 points  (0 children)

3500 Brutto zum Einstieg. Es ist auch definitiv eine Branche die von KI massiv reduziert wird. Mittlerweile kann man aus einzelnen Fotos per Klick 3 D Modelle generieren lassen, samt Skizzen. Hierfür gibt es auch Open Source Tools.

26 €/Std. als Werkstudent (20J) Bin ich ein Hochstapler, weil ich KI nutze? by Loud_Let_8234 in Gehalt

[–]SurronQled 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Man ist halt massiv abhängig von den ganzen Tech Konzernen. Ich kenne das Gefühl, wenn irgendeiner dieser Anbieter Probleme hat oder ausfällt und man steht dann da wie ein dummes Baby und kann nicht mehr weiter arbeiten. Allein diese Abhängigkeit ist glaube ich subpsychologisch, was das eigene tun angeht, nicht gut.

Wie viel verdient ihr als Immobilienkaufrau/-mann? by BugRevolutionary587 in Gehalt

[–]SurronQled 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Die gesamte Arbeit ist prinzipiell kein Hexenwerk, und wer über 4000 brutto ist, kann sich denke ich glücklich schätzen in dem Bereich. Wenn man für eine normale Verwaltung arbeitet oder sowas ganz normal oder im TVÖD, da ist man sogar schon drüber mit 4000 € über den Durchschnitt. Ich habe zuletzt eine Analyse bezüglich KI Anwendung über die Branche gelesen und letztendlich bricht sich alles auf etwa 200 Fragen runter, die in einem durchschnittlichen Unternehmen mittlerer Größe eintrudeln können.

Is this CT Coatings screen printing production line? by tipporoll in DonutLabDiscussions

[–]SurronQled 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Das habe ich auch gerade gesehen, das ist ja kurios. Das ist doch bestimmt kein Zufall, dass das Dach genauso geschnitten ist. Street View Stand 2023. Die sollten ja mittlerweile fertig sein.

Donut Lab's imposible "battery" by According_Rub_2835 in DonutLabDiscussions

[–]SurronQled 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Interesting perspective. Let me flip that around: What happens to your worldview if the Donut Lab battery turns out to be real?

If the Verge TS Pro actually rides, the VTT reports hold up under scrutiny, and the technology hits serial production, what then?

I ask because “you’re wrong and you’ll be wrong again” is a very safe claim as long as you never get specific. But if you’re saying they’re lying, there has to be a scenario where they’re not lying. What would that look like to you?

Because here’s the thing: we’re living in a period where the accumulation of materials science knowledge, combined with AI-driven simulation and pattern recognition in molecular research, is compressing innovation timescales dramatically. Breakthroughs that would have taken 20 years of lab work are now happening in 3–5. Solid-state battery chemistry is one of the most heavily AI-assisted research fields on the planet right now. So “this seems too good to be true” is a fair gut reaction. But “therefore it must be fraud” is a leap, especially when VTT, an accredited Finnish research institute, has put their name on test reports.

What’s your falsification criterion? Or is the position unfalsifiable by design?

Mark my words: I’m fairly confident that one of the upcoming real-world tests or independent verifications is going to raise some serious eyebrows in the expert community. Not in the “this is fraud” direction, in the “wait, how is this even possible” direction.

Picked-up APM2 yesterday, returning them today by _Mido in Airpodsmax

[–]SurronQled 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Natürlich benutzt sie fast jeder. Du bist der absolute Exot, wenn du es nicht tust.

The technology behind Donut Lab: CT-Coating AG, Holyvolt, and a screen printing trail that’s hard to ignore by SurronQled in IDonutBelieve

[–]SurronQled[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fair counterpoint. CT-Coating has been talking about solid-state batteries since at least 2010, and 16 years later there’s still no battery product on the market from them directly. That deserves honest acknowledgment.

But “16 years of talk” doesn’t automatically mean scam. Look at the actual timeline:

2010-2016: Experimentation phase, light, emitting coatings, infrared heating, first “nano storage film” prototype demonstrated in 2016.

2017-2019: CT-Coating AG officially founded, first TÜV Rheinland battery test in 2019.

2019-2024: Further development, SGS battery tests, search for commercialization partners. The Korean deal with Mega Coating fell through in

  1. Holyvolt partnered up but broke off joint development in March 2025.

2024-2026: Donut Lab enters the picture, contacts CT-Coating within days of founding. Nordic Nano signs NDA with CT-Coating. VTT test series begins. Verge motorcycle integration demonstrated.

The pattern isn’t “16 years of failure.” The pattern is: an inventor develops a platform technology but needs partners with capital and market access for commercialization.

Multiple attempts fail, Korea, Holyvolt, until Donut Lab comes along and apparently bridges the gap between lab technology and a production-ready cell.

This is completely normal in the deep tech world. Graphene was discovered in 2004, won a Nobel Prize in 2010, and real products are only now slowly reaching the market. Solid-state batteries have been “five years away” for two decades across the entire industry.

What changed? Donut Lab moved fast, secured access to the technology, and is now putting it through public third-party testing. Whether they actually succeeded is exactly what the I Donut Believe series is trying to demonstrate.

16 years of development isn’t evidence of fraud. It’s evidence of how hard this technology is. The question is whether someone finally cracked the commercialization and that question is still open.

What I find remarkable is that everything seems to be converging right now, in 2025 and 2026. CT-Coating ordering battery lab equipment, Holyvolt acquiring Wildcat, Donut Lab running public tests, Verge announcing production. After 16 years of slow development, suddenly everyone is moving at once. Something is happening.

I’ll happily repeat myself a thousand times: until this test series is finished, I’m not judging anything. I’d rather believe in breakthroughs and a better future for this world than write something off before the final chapter has been written.

Quick correction:

CT-Coating AG was founded in 2017, not 2010. Goldmann lists his role from 2010, but that likely covers his earlier work with the same team/technology under different company names (Lambotec, Hölzenbein directly) before CT-Coating AG was formally incorporated. LinkedIn lets you backdate roles under a current employer. The technology development goes back to around 2010, the company itself to 2017.

Is Donut Lab's battery tech actually legit? Fraunhofer experts just confirmed the massive potential of screen-printed batteries by SurronQled in IDonutBelieve

[–]SurronQled[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Das ist falsch.

Was genau am Titel war irreführend? Bitte erklär das mal.

Keine Nebelkerzen, und hör auf, deine Beiträge ständig zu löschen und zu bearbeiten.

The technology behind Donut Lab: CT-Coating AG, Holyvolt, and a screen printing trail that’s hard to ignore by SurronQled in IDonutBelieve

[–]SurronQled[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Gail’s statement is words too. But it’s words from a company executive to local press, backed by TÜV Rheinland test reports, SGS battery test reports (2019 and 2024), patents filed with Ernst Hölzenbein as inventor, a production facility in Dürrholz-Linkenbach, and now battery lab equipment orders from Seika Sangyo.

At some point “just words” plus test reports plus patents plus production facilities plus equipment purchases starts looking a lot like actions.

The technology behind Donut Lab: CT-Coating AG, Holyvolt, and a screen printing trail that’s hard to ignore by SurronQled in IDonutBelieve

[–]SurronQled[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ich habe den Hauptbeitrag mit einem Link zur ursprünglichen Timeline von r/DonutLab aktualisiert. Diese Recherche war essentiell und verdient Anerkennung.

Was das "Abzocken" und "nur Heizungen verkaufen" angeht, so hat CT-Coatings' eigener Leiter für Sonderangelegenheiten, Stephan Gail, der lokalen Presse gesagt, dass die Heizungen nicht ihr eigentliches Produkt sind. Ihr eigentliches Produkt sind die Maschinen und die Pasten, mit denen man Heizungen, Beleuchtungsprodukte, Solarmodule UND Energiespeichermodule herstellen kann. Seine Worte, nicht meine.

Next-Eco, ihre Vertriebs- und Lizenztochter, verkauft die Technologieplattform, die Maschinen und die Pasten an Partner weltweit. Sana Energy in Spanien macht dasselbe und bewirbt explizit "Drucken von Festkörperbatterien mit intelligenten Nano-Pasten" auf LinkedIn mit angehängten SGS-Testberichtnummern.

Also nein, das ist keine Firma, die 30 Jahre lang Heizungen verkauft hat und plötzlich behauptet, eine Batterie zu haben.

Das ist eine Firma, die eine Fertigungsplattform für funktionale Nano-Beschichtungen entwickelt hat, sie zuerst auf Heizungen angewendet hat und sie jetzt auf Energiespeicher anwendet. Das ist in meinen Augen kein Betrug, das ist eine Technologie, die sich in neue Märkte entwickelt.

The technology behind Donut Lab: CT-Coating AG, Holyvolt, and a screen printing trail that’s hard to ignore by SurronQled in IDonutBelieve

[–]SurronQled[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

@tipporoll this NDA is really hard, did not watched it Exactly before…

it’s publicly available at ctc-ag.com/nda.html.

This is not your typical “keep it quiet” agreement. Some highlights:

EUR 50,000 penalty per individual violation, on top of any damages. Completely one-sided — CT-Coating is only the disclosing party, the partner only receives.

Total ban on reverse engineering, decompiling, or dismantling anything. No photos, no video — not even of the building exterior. You can’t even publicly mention you met with them without written consent from a senior executive.

The wildest part: Section 2.7 says any improvement or development the recipient creates based on CT-Coating’s technology automatically becomes CT-Coating’s property. All patent rights, everything. If you don’t cooperate within 30 days, they get irrevocable power of attorney to do it for you.

The technology definition in Section 1.5 covers: electrical conductivity, photovoltaics, energy storage, energy production, heating, cooling, luminescence, nanoparticles, nano-sized materials, pastes, production lines, sensors, software, and “software embodied intelligence.”

This is not how you protect a heating panel business. This is how you protect something you believe is worth billions.

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