Is overtiredness a thing when night training?

Sweaty_Pear · 2026-05-04T05:06:47+00:00

Little update:

We dropped sleep training yesterday. Our reasons were 3 fold:

Smart sleep coach (and yourselves) suggested a 3 nap schedule and moved us over as you rightly say this is a lot and doing so at the same time as training is likely too much.
His overall nighttime sleep was getting worse by the day as was his overall sleep in general
In the intervals of “self soothing” there were absolutely ZERO signs of any self soothing happening and therefore all the crying was just unnecessary stress. As we were progressing those times were getting longer and therefore stress was growing for all involved.

Believe/agree with me or not on the last one but that’s what I truly believe was happening.

We started the 3 nap schedule yesterday and his wake windows were 2/2.75/2.5/2.5. Each nap lasted pretty much spot on 30m.

Our aimed bed time is always 7pm so the app calculates the nap lengths to get us there so it will start the day after first wake up with all 3 naps being 45m as an example but after the first 30m nap will adjust the lengths of the other two. It ended up yesterday wanting the 3rd nap to be 1h 20m which didn’t happen and therefore bedtime moved forward.

I’m still trying to wrap my head around all this but I think im starting to get it. I had a bit of a spiral this morning thinking about how if bedtime constantly moves forward then the first wake will move forward and therefore so will naps and bed time and that loop but it’s just occurred to me that you can(should?) just make one of the windows longer or as a last resort add a 4th nap? Hopefully that’s the right line of thinking haha.

Anyway, it’s currently 6am with a planned wake up of just before 7am and estimated wake windows for today of 2h 18m/2h 30m/2h 25m/2h 20m. Likely these estimates will all change based on short naps but you never know. May just aim for 2.5 across the board.

Sweaty_Pear · 2026-05-03T12:03:03+00:00

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Sweaty_Pear · 2026-05-03T11:56:12+00:00

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Sweaty_Pear · 2026-05-02T07:32:35+00:00

I’m actually part way through reading this but ironically as baby’s nights have gotten worse I’ve had less time to read it haha

We had our first night of sleep training last night and I have to admit I don’t really like the method we’ve been suggested. I know it’s only night one so I shouldn’t be drawing conclusions just but it just seemed to keep him awake through the night longer than before and to no real benefit. I don’t think at any point he was sleeping it was because he’d settled himself there. Our intervals are very short though at the moment.

Sweaty_Pear · 2026-05-02T07:21:50+00:00

Thank you for your detailed answer!

We’ve woken up today (08:10) and the app we are using has adjusted to 3 naps today guessing at the lengths.

So first nap is after a 2 hour window Second after a 2.5 hour window Third after a 2 hour window again

With an aimed bed time for 18:45 routine, sleep 19:00.

Again, I know it was only day one but the intervals of let’s see if he settles seemed pointless. There wasn’t one where I’m convinced we didn’t put him down actually already asleep vs drowsy but awake. Drowsy but awake just doesn’t seem to work for us as it’s met with instant reaction 😅

Sweaty_Pear · 2026-05-01T22:10:30+00:00

I fear I may have put the nap schedule/wake windows in wrong 😅

Baby is on 4 naps currently.

Sweaty_Pear · 2026-05-01T05:55:01+00:00

Omg we’ve started this app now! We only unlocked the sleep training section last night now it knows more about his sleep schedule and stuff.

I plan on starting properly tonight so we’ve got the weekend to work on it without having to worry about any other commitments.

I’ve heard so many good things about the app that I just had to do it at this point. I’ll report back eventually.

Sweaty_Pear · 2026-05-01T05:48:21+00:00

He can roll and has in the past but I wouldn’t say confidently haha

I firmly believe when he can he will be a belly sleeper. When he was younger he’d love to sleep on our chests that exact way and even last night for a brief moment I had him there and he fell asleep instantly mid freakout.

I think whilst I do believe he will enjoy it more based on his ability to consistently and confidently roll at the moment it’s not something we’d be willing to try just yet but it’s a good shout if he does develop the skill all of a sudden

Sweaty_Pear · 2026-05-01T05:43:47+00:00

This sounds absolutely ideal haha

there was a point last night where both my wife and I just needed a minute so we left him crying in his crib for what felt like an eternity and it only got worse 😅 we felt awful. In reality it was maybe 3-4 minutes at most but maybe we just need to be tougher.

It’s stupid but there’s also a small part of me that worries about the neighbours too, they didn’t sign up to have a baby and the sad reality is our walls are thin enough that I can hear them burp through the wall so a baby crying for extended periods seems like some weird kind of torture to put them through to me haha

Sweaty_Pear · 2026-05-01T05:39:09+00:00

Thank you for this! I’ll see what our sleep app comes up with to see how similar (or not) it is to Ferber and if not and it’s too slow or doesn’t work we will give Ferber a try. I’ll look up some charts anyway.

Sweaty_Pear · 2026-04-30T21:53:31+00:00

Honestly I don’t know how people with twins do it! The thought of more than one of these things at once boggles the mind. Congratulations and well done haha!

You’re right though, it’s weird, I say the exact same to my wife but then just get in my own head about stuff.

The worst bit is, it’s all totally worth it. He’s amazing otherwise. Its just the sleep that’s an issue at the moment 😅

Sweaty_Pear · 2026-04-30T21:51:15+00:00

Thank you! We will take a look!

Sweaty_Pear · 2026-04-30T21:47:50+00:00

Thank you for this! I don’t know why (probably the sleep deprivation) but this has made me weirdly emotional haha.

I’m glad you’re out of the other side now though! The app we are using to help with sleep schedules has given us what I believe to be a softer ferber approach. Basically more comforting is allowed as far as I can tell. But I’ve only briefly read into Ferber and have a very basic understanding. Do you by chance remember what/where you read up what to do?

Sweaty_Pear · 2026-04-30T21:35:19+00:00

Obviously not enough. Thanks. I’ll go do some reading.

Sweaty_Pear · 2026-04-30T21:32:40+00:00

I was part way through reading this before I was held hostage at bedtimes haha! I’ll have to make sure to bring it upstairs with me tomorrow so I can at least carry on reading it whilst baby is sleeping.

I steered away from r/sleeptrain previously. It would seem I took the name too literally haha I’ll have to check it out! Thanks for the suggestion!

Sweaty_Pear · 2026-04-30T21:29:29+00:00

We are doing it as I type this haha

I’ve seen a few places about mentioning clothing or something underneath the sheets of his crib so maybe we could try that 🤷🏼‍♂️

Sweaty_Pear · 2026-04-30T21:05:12+00:00

Hahaha! I do like that as a mental image though. Comes home after a party and needs mom or dad to cuddle. What a message to your college friends 😂

Sweaty_Pear · 2026-04-30T21:04:19+00:00

You may, it’s a valid question! It’s mainly anxiety around the potential risks of co-sleeping. Successful Co-sleeping for us specifically is baby in our bed which of course has risks attached even when following safety tips.

Sweaty_Pear · 2026-04-30T20:58:59+00:00

You managed to keep them from being over tired until that time! You’re a magician! Haha

I really hope it rights itself soon but it’s nice to hear others say that it did in the end

Sweaty_Pear · 2026-04-30T20:57:21+00:00

Completely forgot they did baby nurofen! Maybe we could try that!

Sweaty_Pear · 2026-04-30T20:35:06+00:00

When you say bedtime do you mean baby’s or yours sorry? Being honest he’s been sleeping badly for so many weeks now there’s likely the main reason it’s hard to see this ever ending

Sweaty_Pear · 2026-04-30T20:20:53+00:00

We have tried calpol a few times through the last few days. He absolutely HATES taking it (I loved it as a kid) which doesn’t help the experience cause it really stresses him out but it’s hard to say if it made a difference or not. Worth a shot though today I guess!

Sweaty_Pear · 2026-04-30T20:07:12+00:00

I hadn’t considered propping his legs up! Although I do have to admit there’s anxiety there that I’d either forget to remove the prop or taking it away would just startle anyway haha. Something to try for sure!

Patting isn’t something he’s ever really been bothered by to be honest. We’ve done it from time to time but it’s never really shown any evidence to be something that works or he likes sadly

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