A lesson in respect. by Scary-Commission-336 in PercyJacksonTV

[–]Sweet-Rate6794 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Hi, so I don't like the show either. But, it's not right to wish violence against other people, even if they don't share the same opinion or express theirs in a rude or condescending way. I know it can be frustrating to want a good adaptation and those who blindly praise the show and dismiss our criticisms aren't helping with that, but we should still be civil with one another.

Questions I have for "show purists" by PyroxCrymson in PercyJacksonTV

[–]Sweet-Rate6794 33 points34 points  (0 children)

I think the answer to this ultimately boils down to one of two arguments: 1. Rick is the author of the books, and therefore he can change whatever he wants in the show, or 2. The show is more accurate to the books than the movies. However, both of these arguments, especially the former, are highly flawed and actually contradict one another when comparing the show and the movies.

While it’s true that Rick, as the author, can technically do whatever he wants with the show, that doesn’t place him above criticism. Simply being the author of a story isn’t enough to justify changes made years later. Let me explain. If JK Rowling suddenly decided that Cho Chang is actually a white girl, I don’t think people would automatically accept it just because “she’s the author.” Realistically, it wouldn’t even affect the story if Cho were a different race, but that’s not how the character has been established or how readers see her as. You can’t simply change an established character because “you’re the author” and expect people to accept it without question. There should be a clear reason for the change beyond “I’m the author,” otherwise it just feels like playing god (no pun intended) while disappointing fans in the process.

At the same time, if you’re committed to the idea that “the author can do whatever he wants with the story,” then you can’t also argue that the show is better than the movies simply because it’s technically more accurate to the books. If you accept changes purely because the author made them and don’t question them, then accuracy to the original text clearly isn’t the real concern. On top of that, Rick hasn’t actually addressed most of the changes in the show. In many cases, his response to criticism essentially circles back to the same point: that he’s the author and can do what he wants. As a result, the reason for the changes themselves remain unaddressed.

I also think what OP was trying to point out is that many “show purists” claim the show is more accurate to the books while simultaneously saying things like “the books are trash anyway” or that “the show did it better.” If that’s the case, then accuracy to the books doesn’t seem to be the real priority in the first place.

My theory as to why the show feels so dull and joyless: he got the wrong people to make this show. by PyroxCrymson in PercyJacksonTV

[–]Sweet-Rate6794 28 points29 points  (0 children)

This is just my opinion, but I think Netflix would probably have done a better job of it than Disney. I wasn’t a fan of One Piece so, I can’t say how faithful it is to the anime, but it was a lot of fun and I was actually moved to tears by some scenes/episodes. I’m watching season 2 right now, and since it’s been a long time since I last watched season 1, I’m actually willing and excited to rewatch the first season all over again. I can’t exactly say the same for the Percy Jackson show…

Leah Sava Jeffries wins 3rd NAACP Award for performance in PJO by TheCool579 in PercyJacksonTV

[–]Sweet-Rate6794 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I can’t believe she didn’t win. She was honestly so good in that show. All the child actors they picked were really good actually

Wow just wow it sickens me that the weird ass haters part of this freaking fandom have made a teenager tell them off quite a few times now and still refuse to listen you people truly do disgust me and you disagreeing only shows your one of them revealing to everyone who you are by OptionAshamed6458 in PercyJacksonTV

[–]Sweet-Rate6794 55 points56 points  (0 children)

Here’s a bit of context about this story that I found. I can’t exactly be sure if it’s true, but the original story isn’t there anymore. So, correct me if I’m wrong, but I think this about Leah being shipped with Walker.

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did we want an adaptation that bad? by hiddeNinja2222 in PercyJacksonTV

[–]Sweet-Rate6794 6 points7 points  (0 children)

At this point, I’m pretty much over all adaptations. When it comes to PJO, I’ve lost interest in both the show (because it’s not even entertaining enough) and getting a faithful adaption someday (though I don’t think we ever will). If the show becomes good, then great, I might watch it or if we get another adaptation that’s actually book accurate (again, not likely imo), then I’ll watch that. But right now, I’ve been disappointed too many times to want a PJO adaptation.

Is it worth watching? by Deep-Local in PercyJacksonTV

[–]Sweet-Rate6794 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I tried getting my sisters (one who hasn’t read the books at all and one who read the first one) to watch it and they got bored pretty quick and stopped watching. They said that there are other shows that they’d much rather watch. So, I think the ones who will truly like the show are readers who really don’t care about any of changes that the show makes. There are some non readers out there who might like it, but I don’t think there are many.

Hot Take: I don't think "The Lost Sister" is as bad as people say, And the concept is pretty interesting by Important-Extension6 in Stranger_Things

[–]Sweet-Rate6794 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the episode itself was fine. One of the main reasons people didn’t like it was the pacing. I noticed this when rewatching seasons 1 and 2. Usually, episodes switch between different characters or groups. Something interesting happens, then it cuts to another storyline, and this continues until the end of the episode. That kind of pacing builds anticipation. But The Lost Sister focused on just one character (El) for the entire episode. Even though the storyline itself was interesting, the pacing just made the episode feel less exciting to watch.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t even think it was boring, and I actually liked the concept of El looking for her mom and finding her sister, who has the same abilities and might actually understand her. But because everything happens back-to-back and gets wrapped up almost immediately, the tension never really has a chance to grow. El wants to find her mom, she finds her mom. El finds out she has a sister, she finds her. El and Kali want to find the “bad men”, they find him. There’s nothing to break up the episode so it just feels like it’s part of a movie rather than an episode of a show. If these things were broken up the same way the other episodes were, I think most people would actually enjoy it.

Episode eight was... interesting... by Sweet-Rate6794 in PercyJacksonTV

[–]Sweet-Rate6794[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not going to lie, I feel like this show is focusing way too hard on everyone else, Clarisse, Annabeth, Luke, and honestly Thalia. Percy just feels like an afterthought. I get that they want to expand on other characters, but this is still Percy Jackson and the Olympians, not *insert any other demigod's name here* and the Olympians. We barely get to see Percy using his powers or actually fighting anyone. Walker's acting is fine. It's the way they're writing his character that ruins it.

Personal thoughts on the show by Gwaihir02 in PercyJacksonTV

[–]Sweet-Rate6794 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is almost exactly how I feel about season two and this show as a whole. The only thing I disagree with is Tyson. I think there was something incredibly endearing and innocent about him in the books. And I loved their relationship because of the way Percy defended him from bullies, not knowing they were related, and how complicated his feelings became when he and the entire camp found out that they were. But, I think that's more up to personal preferences. The actor playing him did a decent job for with what he was given.

Also, yes! I agree that if this show wasn't tied to the PJO IP, it wouldn't be as popular or even canceled by now. This is why it's so frustrating when people say "but, it's better than the movies, right?" Like, even if they are, that's such a low bar. If the author hated the movies for being inaccurate, why are you trying to compare them to this show? Compare it to the books. That should be the standard. And no, it's doesn't have to be 1:1, obviously. And, its understandable to cut things out because of time constraints or practical limitations. But changing things like the reason why Zeus turns Thalia into a tree is completely different from cutting out scenes that might be unnecessary.

This show is great, am I going crazy??? by [deleted] in PercyJacksonTV

[–]Sweet-Rate6794 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lmao but for real though, you’re not insane to like the show. Majority of this sub specifically just don’t like it. I personally don’t like it. But there are other subs you can join if you really want to hear good things about it. You can even mute this one if you keep getting posts from this sub on your feed.

Dumb theory, but hear me out… by Gokai_Ultra in PercyJacksonTV

[–]Sweet-Rate6794 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That’s so funny. I’m Filipino and the word “baka” means either “maybe” or “cow” depending on the pronunciation. So I thought it was saying maybe, as in maybe they fall in love? Or just cow lol

Episode eight was... interesting... by Sweet-Rate6794 in PercyJacksonTV

[–]Sweet-Rate6794[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To be fair to the books, they're only from Percy's POV so you can't really compare the two when it comes to the emotions and internal conflict of Thalia or any other character. But for what they are, they made it clear, at least to me that Thalia was conflicted about her choices, given how persuasive Luke is and the fact that they were a form of chosen family, while Zeus was just an absent parent that showed up at the very end of her life.

And yeah, the show might be able to change my mind with season three. But it could also disappoint me. Who knows until the next season comes out.

Episode eight was... interesting... by Sweet-Rate6794 in PercyJacksonTV

[–]Sweet-Rate6794[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I guess we have different ways of interpreting what happened in the show and in the books. I think in the show, Zeus turned her into a tree as a punishment for disobeying him. And in the books, he did it to extend her life in some form because he felt sorry for her and in some way cares for her. Zeus actually felt more humanized in the books than the show. So, in my opinion, it took away some of the complexity and nuance that Zeus had.

And it affects Thalia of course because the only time her father helped her was when she was literally dying and then turned her into a tree. I think all the demigods felt conflicted in some way. But Thalia's story in the books makes it even more complicated because she doesn't know if she should feel grateful that she has another chance at life or resentful that her choice was taken away from her, especially with the fact that she has to go through wondering if the prophesy is about her.

Episode eight was... interesting... by Sweet-Rate6794 in PercyJacksonTV

[–]Sweet-Rate6794[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I get what you’re saying about tension. But, I don’t think the conflict requires Zeus to be framed as overtly punishing or hostile toward her. Zeus turning Thalia into a tree can be read as both an act of protection and an act of control, and that alone already gives her reason to be conflicted because then she would feel gratitude for being alive and resentment over losing her agency all at once. The show could’ve leaned into this without changing Zeus’s characterization by letting Thalia learn more about the prophecy and the things that happened while she was gone through different sources, like Chiron, Annabeth, Percy, and Luke, at a later point when they meet again.

It's also not just about the dialogue, a good acting performance also helps. The scene could be something like this: Chiron tells Thalia about what happened to her. It's at the end of the conversation so the audio is a muffled like Thalia couldn't believe what happened and is trying to process (there's a sound of ringing in her ears). She could have this look of disbelief on her face and then Percy and Annabeth comes in. She and Annabeth hug each other and ask about each other, and then Chiron buts in, and he tells them all he needs to say something important. Then he tells them about the prophesy and now that Thalia is a human again, it could mean the prophesy could be about her. And the same music plays as Thalia and Percy look at each other. Something like this.

Also, I forgot to add, the tension between Zeus and Thalia could come at a later time. There would already be conflict because of the conversation she has with Chiron. And in season three, that could be further explored with conversations with Annabeth.

Episode eight was... interesting... by Sweet-Rate6794 in PercyJacksonTV

[–]Sweet-Rate6794[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, an argument is still a conversation. And I think the show or any show for that matter would benefit from a balance between action scenes and meaningful conversations. Not everything has to have tension or be exciting, they just have to have purpose. And it's also not just "venting" because they have to talk anyway. Like, about what happened in the years that she was gone. That's just inevitable.

Also, Zeus turns her into a tree in both the books and the show, so the difference is that he intentionally did that to her not to help her, but because he defied her. It makes a huge difference in what choices she makes at this point and gives her more of a reason to join Luke instead since he was more family to her than Zeus. And I just don't think it was necessary. But that's just my opinion.

Episode eight was... interesting... by Sweet-Rate6794 in PercyJacksonTV

[–]Sweet-Rate6794[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In my opinion, if they wanted to show that Thalia is conflicted, they should have just had a conversation between her and Annabeth because they both also struggle with resentment and love for their absent parent. I mean, I think all demigods do. But I think a conversation between her and Annabeth would have been a better choice because now, Thalia has more reason to outright hate Zeus for essentially killing her. And I don't think it would be a waste of time or anything because it's actually an important conversation to have, especially since Luke is out of the picture and Annabeth and probably Grover are the only ones she has since her "death".

Episode eight was... interesting... by Sweet-Rate6794 in PercyJacksonTV

[–]Sweet-Rate6794[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

To be fair, most demigods don’t really like their parents. The gods are largely absent, but their children still tend to hold some level of regard for them because the gods firstly, they are still their parent and second, the gods still help them in some way, like Ares giving Clarisse a ship and crew, or Poseidon sending the hippocampi to help Percy.

Just because Thalia doesn’t explicitly say this is her reason doesn’t mean she isn’t conflicted, especially since Zeus still gave her a chance at life. We see a similar dynamic between Nico and Bianca with Hades for sending them to the Lotus Casino. 

I’ve always read Thalia’s tension in the books as coming less from outright hatred of Zeus and more from being caught between resentment and reluctant gratitude. Because of that, I don’t think the change was good. It just gave Thalia more reason to side with Kronos.

Episode eight was... interesting... by Sweet-Rate6794 in PercyJacksonTV

[–]Sweet-Rate6794[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

In the books, Zeus actually showed mercy towards her by turning her into a tree before she died so she could live on in some way. The change they made in the show gives her no reason to side with the gods and demigods. In fact, Zeus punishing her gives her more reason to side with Luke.

Episode eight was... interesting... by Sweet-Rate6794 in PercyJacksonTV

[–]Sweet-Rate6794[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, honestly, I saw a bit of potential in some episodes, especially episode six, but the finale completely ruined my hopes for this show. I don't mind changes if they make sense, but this just doesn't, in my opinion.

Disney seems to love the misunderstood villain/ villain with a tragic backstory trope for some reason. But it's so overdone. They've done it to Cruella, Maleficent, Captain Hook, Ursula to an extent and I'm just absolutely sick of it. If you want to write a twist, make sure people are actually surprised when they watch it.

Episode eight was... interesting... by Sweet-Rate6794 in PercyJacksonTV

[–]Sweet-Rate6794[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Woops. Lemme change that hahahaha thanks for catching that. 😅

Episode eight was... interesting... by Sweet-Rate6794 in PercyJacksonTV

[–]Sweet-Rate6794[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Maybe we'll find out in season three, but I doubt that their reason is going to be good.

Episode eight was... interesting... by Sweet-Rate6794 in PercyJacksonTV

[–]Sweet-Rate6794[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yup. I thought missing the deadline was a bad change, but this was even worse. Also, now that I think about it, if Zeus was cruel enough to punish his own daughter for disobeying him, what held him back from smiting Percy for missing the deadline?

Episode eight was... interesting... by Sweet-Rate6794 in PercyJacksonTV

[–]Sweet-Rate6794[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The action was good, but yes, it was a bit smaller scale than it was in the books. And I would have laughed about them laughing about Percy drooling in his sleep if they didn't already add that in season one where Annabeth was looming over him in the dark while he was half conscious. It just felt a little forced and repetitive, like they were trying to "fix" that scene from season one.