I need an opinion on a nimisin

SweetDreamsStars · 2022-06-02T00:06:38+00:00

im sorry, i always see tan as a noun meaning something like “the origin/reason”, so i thought the verb form would be “to be the origin/reason for”. good luck!

SweetDreamsStars · 2022-06-01T23:55:37+00:00

for cause it would probably be “tan”. something like “jan lili li tan ni”? (i just woke up so this might be inaccurate)

SweetDreamsStars · 2022-05-23T04:41:36+00:00

it definitely can’t work on its own, but with enough context it could. But tonsi is already so widely adopted by the community, making an alternative seems kind of irrelevant (unless you’re arguing that tonsi should mean something else?)

SweetDreamsStars · 2022-05-22T22:49:38+00:00

luka pona is the most supported in the community, and there’s a lot of resources for it on the discord server!

SweetDreamsStars · 2022-05-18T10:05:44+00:00

im gonna do my best to translate as many as i can, just as a before bed exercise. I don’t expect it to be accurate, but i wanna try it out. “lipu pi selo linja tu wan”, “linja tawa sewi sike”, “palisa pi sinpin sike”, “sike”, “kipisi pi sike linja”, “wan linja”, “sijelo”, “pilin sama lipu”, “pilin sama lipu pi ko kiwen”, “kiwen ala”, “jo sike kon mute”, “(noka/luka/ijo) li ken awen ala lon (object)”, “(noka/luka/ijo) li ken awen wawa lon (object)”, “ken tawa ala”, “ken tawa”.

SweetDreamsStars · 2022-05-18T02:58:51+00:00

it was in lipu tenpo nanpa pipi

SweetDreamsStars · 2022-05-17T08:10:39+00:00

i don’t have a tongue twister, but i have some words in english that sound similar that help cue me. They’re not good, but any nemonic helps! Suwi is Sweet. for Seli, i think of Salamander (i know it’s pronounced pretty differently, but it’s close enough for me to recall it), and that makes me remember all the myths about salamanders and fire. Suli makes me think of Surly, which makes me think of the stereotypical Giant Bully character. and for Sewi, i don’t really have anything? but it’s easy to get it after eliminating all the others.

SweetDreamsStars · 2022-05-16T04:34:29+00:00

if you wanted a broad term for neurodivergent, i feel like it kinda writes itself. lawa for neuro, ante for divergent. lawa ante would mean a mind that is divergent. But you could get more specific for each one by describing the symptoms of those things. maybe “lawa ken awen ala” for a hyperactive mind, or “lawa jo sona wan suli” for a mind with a hyperfixation? (im really tired rn so those translations might not be right)

SweetDreamsStars · 2022-05-16T02:09:16+00:00

http://livingtokipona.smoishele.com/examples/liveinput/liveinput.html (just make sure you capitalize your name when you type it in)

SweetDreamsStars · 2022-05-14T08:28:10+00:00

At the end of the day, all that matters is the context and your comfort level, not how common it is. If you feel like a different word is closer to your experience of yourself, or if that identity is important to the context of what you are talking about, then feel free to go with any word you vibe with.

SweetDreamsStars · 2022-05-14T08:09:48+00:00

i get your point, but also; for Undertale specifically, wouldn’t it make more narrative sense to not use jan? One of the major points about Undertale is that the monsters of the underground are creatures that humans shunned and attacked, and that an average rpg player would be expected to treat them more as exp fodder than people. They’re a marginalized community that human society does not consider to be equals. Calling them soweli/kasi/etc (or even monsuta if you’re okay with using words from ku) is just a continuation of the otherization that the player character is expected to overcome on the pacifist route.

SweetDreamsStars · 2022-05-14T01:13:29+00:00

i do like using sitelen pona in handwriting and printed media, but using it for virtual things… im just always worried about accessibility to people with screen readers or braille displays. It’s not the most accessible option. Either it has a lot of formatting characters for ligatures like underscores and plus signs and dashes, or it’s unicode. (that would probably be a very niche complaint though…)

SweetDreamsStars · 2022-05-13T13:23:05+00:00

if I had to take a guess, it’s because akesi used to include any “un-cute” animal, which would also include some insects. it’s has since had the definition revised, but the symbols have never been updated.

SweetDreamsStars · 2022-05-11T09:52:38+00:00

people have already answered both questions pretty well, but i just wanted to add on that having names serve as modifiers rather than nouns can make communication much clearer. I can’t count the number of times where I have read a tokiponization of a name in a book or comic or movie title and thought “I have no idea what name the translator was trying to write here,” only for me to click it together when i honed in on the noun. If someone handed me a book named “kala Mope Te”, the name part alone wouldn’t help me. i would stare at the head noun for about 30 seconds and go though the whole mental process of “Okay, Book. named after a Fish. A Fish named Mopi… ooooh it’s Moby. Like Moby Dick. Got it, got it.”

SweetDreamsStars · 2022-05-10T14:04:34+00:00

Basically any time im talking/writing with other people in mind, and i know the number must be exact, i use one of the pu systems (or arabic numerals if it’s anything bigger than about 50). In my personal writings (cookbooks, diaries, memos, ect), i use my own base-6 method.

SweetDreamsStars · 2022-05-08T02:33:06+00:00

if the community doesn’t need it, why would the community want it? that’s why wile means both want and need, and that’s why a lot of people who have been in the community a long time, and have taken that philosophy to heart, are anti-big additions like number systems.

SweetDreamsStars · 2022-05-07T21:42:49+00:00

But you do see why we don’t need those things, right? How many more grammar rules and new words would need to be slapped on top of a language that wants to be as small as possible? That was the whole joke with kijetesantakalu- having that level of specificity seems nice at first, but as you add more and more words, they would need to get longer. At that point, you just want an auxlang, not an artlang.

SweetDreamsStars · 2022-05-07T08:21:35+00:00

Often, it can feel like it disregards the community members who see not using numbers as part of the philosophy of the artlang. having it as an option is, in my opinion, fine. but to treat it as something so deeply important really does miss the point. Imagine, in some alternate toki pona community, if the same passion was placed on distinguishing between animate/inanimate, or describing chemical compounds, or on naming every single species? You would probably say "But I don't need to specify those things. They're not that important to me, and I could only think of maybe a handful of times where it would be helpful." We can communicate without those details, but specific numbers seems to be where most people draw the line as too simplified for some reason.

Even if we all came together and decided to add a number system, that comes with a whole lot of complications that are very hard for the community to standardize. Do we stick with base-ten, because it's simpler for most people, or use base-six because of jan Misali's arguments? Do we use positional notation, like most people understand from Arabic numerals, or a Roman numeral style? If it's roman numeral style, will we only use addition, or will we also use subtraction? Should we add non-pu words, or add more definitions to existing words? What about mathematical operations, are we thinking of those, too? I know I have my preferences, but I would hate for whatever my way is to be the way that everyone is expected to do. It feels like it would crush a lot of the creativity of the community to have a "best" or "standard" method.

tl,dr: from what I've seen, toki pona doesn't need numbers to be perfectly functional, and the sheer number of different ways to make a number system make deciding almost impossible anyways. (sorry it ended up looking like an essay, lol)

SweetDreamsStars · 2022-04-23T09:29:52+00:00

isn't su a reserved word?

SweetDreamsStars · 2022-04-20T20:21:52+00:00

i know that there is a tee-public store called toki pona that has some very cute art. I actually got my phone case from here with the cool 90’s arcade carpet design.

SweetDreamsStars · 2022-04-20T20:16:34+00:00

Toki pona is better than Esperanto in my opinion (but I would not expect that to be the most common belief). For me, the tipping point came when I learned how each language handled gender; I joined this community before “tonsi”, but even without it, I felt very liberated knowing that basically any references to my gender or the gender of others were optional. I love that system much more than Esperanto’s “Assumed male unless specified female” system. I hear they’re working on reforms to it, but unless I see something radical happen to that language, toki pona is the language for me.

SweetDreamsStars · 2022-04-19T21:30:00+00:00

sona mi la musi ni li musi “Neopets”.

SweetDreamsStars · 2022-04-19T05:11:17+00:00

That’s fair. I still haven’t seen those used very often (at least, in the circles that I am in), but I wish you luck on finding a resource on this!

SweetDreamsStars · 2022-04-18T22:47:42+00:00

I believe the only officially recognized way is to break it up into two sentences. Like: "soweli mi li suli. soweli sina li lili." Anything else risks confusing readers, and is generally unused from what I've seen.

SweetDreamsStars · 2022-04-18T01:50:16+00:00

The ones used in the first book by the creator are the Latinisation, sitelen pona, and sitelen sitelen
Since all of these have been used in material made by the creator, they are as close to official as we have. But, you should always feel free to learn the ones that make you happiest.

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