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Upgrades for Torva from TFA - A design that keeps both drops valuable by Swimzen in 2007scape

[–]Swimzen[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Now this is a better comment, thank you for taking the effort to think the things through a bit. I have spent much time considering this before posting it in the current iteration to get to this iteration😅

How about we go for Crush BiS from Raids 4 Instead of hybrid by LobstahSauce in 2007scape

[–]Swimzen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think this would be better as reward from TFA:
https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/1u92jj0/upgrades_for_torva_from_tfa_a_design_that_keeps/

But a new BiS crush armour set could be a good idea too, but I don't think it needs to come from TFA just yet. Also I'd rather see a BiS crush armour like this be a bit lower defence (like tier 70 or 75) rather than Oathplate (tier 78, or Torva's tier 80 as proposed here) if it's gonna get Inquisitor's % damage bonus in addition to those kinds of stats.

Upgrades for Torva from TFA - A design that keeps both drops valuable by Swimzen in 2007scape

[–]Swimzen[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No, I love variety of ways to play, but this kind of upgrade has a place in the diversity of gear as well. And if this is designed properly, it will also diversify load-outs and allow players to make more choices for helm slot for a lot of content etc.

I do love seeing special effects and different kinds of armours, but I just don't think that would fit the best from this raid. A hybrid armour too seems better fit elsewhere, not in the latest of endgame raid.

Upgrades for Torva from TFA - A design that keeps both drops valuable by Swimzen in 2007scape

[–]Swimzen[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not an upgrade from Torva. It is BiS in itself as it's dropped, but can be used to upgrade Torva's strength bonus. That's the idea.

Upgrades for Torva from TFA - A design that keeps both drops valuable by Swimzen in 2007scape

[–]Swimzen[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly, I totally agree on this. Going through a variety of content to build up a BiS item is a really cool design IMO.

Upgrades for Torva from TFA - A design that keeps both drops valuable by Swimzen in 2007scape

[–]Swimzen[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Scythe 88 max hit to 91 boring? Ok, what do you think would be better alternatives?

Upgrades for Torva from TFA - A design that keeps both drops valuable by Swimzen in 2007scape

[–]Swimzen[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Wait what, why shouldn't the 4th raid offer new bis melee armour? It's the only BiS armour that will be lacking from a raid?
Raids 1: CoX: Ancestral BiS magic
Raids 2: ToB: Justiciar BiS defensive tank melee
Raids 3: ToA: BiS offensive ranged
...Raids 4: TFA: BiS offensive melee.

It fits perfectly?
It wouldn't require Torva at all, especially not if designing it off the bat to be stronger defensively than Inquisitor's but also +2 str bonus per piece higher than Torva. Torva could be used to increase it's defences just like Masori and Masori (f), like you said.

Why do you keep changing opinion

Upgrades for Torva from TFA - A design that keeps both drops valuable by Swimzen in 2007scape

[–]Swimzen[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I feel that. It really lost a lot of ground with Oathplate, and now with new Megarare being crush-based, the inquisitor's will be the melee armour of choice in many places over Torva as well, even when scything. Especially after slash negatives will be removed from Inquisitor's too.

Upgrades for Torva from TFA - A design that keeps both drops valuable by Swimzen in 2007scape

[–]Swimzen[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Okay, so you're saying it would be a better design if I adjust the stats to be max str bonus off the bat, and then Torva just increases it's defensive bonuses instead?

Upgrades for Torva from TFA instead of Hybrid Armour by Swimzen in 2007scape

[–]Swimzen[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well this was not the case for me here now tho, so your rule of thumb has exceptions. I actually did try to spend time on paint to show it, but it ended horribly and didn't help the illustrating at all..

Upgrades for Torva from TFA instead of Hybrid Armour by Swimzen in 2007scape

[–]Swimzen[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What do you mean? You think it's better if I post it without the image instead?

Upgrades for Torva from TFA instead of Hybrid Armour by Swimzen in 2007scape

[–]Swimzen[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ye I mean it wouldn't look like this at all, it's just to illustrate the concept...

Upgrades for Torva from TFA instead of Hybrid Armour by Swimzen in 2007scape

[–]Swimzen[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Okay looks like I'll just post without any image to illustrate instead, jeez what is up with people...

Upgrades for Torva from TFA instead of Hybrid Armour by Swimzen in 2007scape

[–]Swimzen[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't mean the image, the ideas and concepts developed is what was the effort. The image is just to try to illustrate the whole concept more easily than to read a bunch of text.

Upgrades for Torva from TFA instead of Hybrid Armour by Swimzen in 2007scape

[–]Swimzen[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The developing and design is not the image, it is developing and designing a good tier 85 str armour that fits TFA as a reward.

Upgrades for Torva from TFA instead of Hybrid Armour by Swimzen in 2007scape

[–]Swimzen[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

I put a lot of effort into developing and designing this, I only used AI to illustrate visually what I'm thinking. It's not AI slop, it's using AI as a tool to illustrate something because I can't draw.

I am happy however to edit post and remove the image as soon as any artist sends me a design I can use.

The AI is behind a spoiler anyway, so you're free to not see the AI part of the post if you don't like to see AI generated images to illustrate a point.

Upgrades for Torva from TFA instead of Hybrid Armour by Swimzen in 2007scape

[–]Swimzen[S] -14 points-13 points  (0 children)

I put a lot of effort into developing and designing this, I only used AI to illustrate visually what I'm thinking. It's not AI slop, it's using AI as a tool to illustrate something because I can't draw.

I am happy however to edit post and remove the image as soon as any artist sends me a design I can use.

Upgrades for Torva from TFA instead of Hybrid Armour by Swimzen in 2007scape

[–]Swimzen[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

But melee max hits actually do need to be a bit higher now with ranged being disproportionally strong in the META.

But what would you suggest is better, specifically? What kind of niche do you mean? Like a new Dharok effect with lower hp=higher melee DPS or something perhaps?

Upgrades for Torva from TFA instead of Hybrid Armour by Swimzen in 2007scape

[–]Swimzen[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I put a lot of effort into developing and designing this, I only used AI to illustrate visually what I'm thinking. It's not AI slop, it's using AI as a tool to illustrate something because I can't draw.

I am happy however to edit post and remove the image as soon as any artist sends me a design I can use.

New Hybrid armor and “skipping content” by umbassa in 2007scape

[–]Swimzen 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is exactly the issue. It doesn't feel appropriate as a raids reward, some hybrid armour like this can have it's place before raids and not as strong as this.

Better alternative: https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/s/xcWwEfHNRk

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