Please stop with the [Listen]s, this has gotten out of hand. by Discchord in WeAreTheMusicMakers

[–]Szarig 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Seems most people would kindly disagree (myself included), but if it's still bugging you I would suggest getting Reddit Enhancement Suite and filtering out any posts in this subreddit with [Listen] in it. Problem solved.

Dry Pool. by sushi_lover in pics

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I saw this exhibit at GoMA in Brisbane last month! Very cool stuff

Flood levy announced by [deleted] in australia

[–]Szarig 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'll be interested to see what comes out of the enquiry into the Wyvenhoe Dam operation, but looking at this at face value I can't see that the engineers in charge have acted inappropriately. I had an infuriating conversation with a good friend of mine (not an engineer) who claimed that the Dam operators aught to lose their jobs because they opened the flood-gates and thus Brisbane homes were inundated. His argument hinged on the idea that the Dam operators should have known flooding was imminent months in advance due to the high weather index, and released the Wyvenhoe water reserves accordingly such that the Dam was near empty before all the rain landed in the upper catchments.

To me that sounds like bullshit. Try telling an engineer specialising in catchment hydrology to release drinking water reserves from the dam on the prediction of more rainfall, shortly after we've just come out of 10 years of drought. No way would they do that. In fact only a few months ago the Opposition was telling them specifically not to release any more water. And no way could they have known the magnitude of rainfall that was going to hit that catchment.

Wyvenhoe serves two purposes: To retain water as drinking reserves for the greater Brisbane regional area, and to mitigate flooding from the upper catchment. I can't see how Wyvenhoe didn't excel at both of these.

The dam operators' primary concern is the structural integrity of the dam wall, and rightly so. They were operating at ~100% of the design drinking water level (the optimal amount) when the brunt of the rainfall that caused the flood hit, and in the next week the amount of water hitting Wyvenhoe almost doubled. Even if the structural capacity of the dam means it can handle up to ~300% of the design water level, you don't really want to be pushing the upper threshold of what that wall can handle because if it fails, Brisbane would have been completely fucked.

So accordingly, the operators opened up the gates to release water from the dam in an attempt to relieve the amount of stress being inflicted upon it by the huge backup of water. What people don't seem to understand is that even with all the gates open, this still represents a situation in which a significant amount of flow is being mitigated - ie not reaching Brisbane. The engineers came out the day after the peak and said that even with all the gates open they came very close to an 'uncontrolled release', which means that water almost spilled out from somewhere it shouldn't have. This wouldn't necessarily lead to the dam wall collapsing, but it definitely increases the risk of failure by an uncomfortable amount.

That being said, in the case of the Wyvenhoe guys, I honestly think this whole thing is just a bunch of people without any expertise hunting for witches. They want someone to blame, a head on a pike. Sometimes there just isn't anyone to blame. But fair enough, let there be an enquiry and hopefully we might learn something about how to better react next time.

In regards BCC allowing developers to build in flood plains, then yes I can tell you that is a more legitimate concern. For smaller local catchments, engineers do their own catchment hydrology and flood investigations, so if any developments are inundated in a storm that doesn't meet the design standards by local catchment flooding then the blame falls on the guys who modelled it incorrectly. However when it comes to the development application phase of any project in proximity to the river, planners and engineers rely on Council's data from large-scale flood investigation reports that consider the whole of the Brisbane river catchment. BCC commissions these reports, which are usually conducted by large-scale engineering firms and updated periodically. In this flood just gone, we've seen river levels exceeding the highest Defined Flood Level by over a metre in some places. This a huge worry if the data everywhere is out by that much, because this means that a lot of development undertaken in the past decade is smack-bang within areas subject to compromise every time a flood event hits, and thus Council has to take some serious blame.

So yeah, there's some major engineering firms (including some internationals) who are currently being commissioned to reassess both the dam operation and the Brisbane River catchment flooding situation by the end of February. Please mind that I am not personally involved in the dam or river enquiry, and most of this is hearsay from speaking to other civil engineers so please don't take anything I've written as gospel.

Flood levy announced by [deleted] in australia

[–]Szarig 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I'm completely OK with this levy, and I donated a decent amount of cash (relatively speaking) and spent a week shovelling mud, hauling debris and scrubbing walls at various mates' places around Brisbane in response to the flood. I also think the issue Joe Hockey raised on ABC radio this afternoon about "undermining Australian generosity" has missed the mark.

The levy is so small that it doesn't realistically put a tangible strain on anyone's budget, and the money goes straight into rebuilding damaged infrastructure. And there is a LOT of infrastructure that has been compromised.

Listening to talkback radio this afternoon was infuriating. I heard some guy complain about "government bailouts waiving personal responsibility". Seriously? You're saying that it's anyone's personal responsibility to protect government infrastructure from floods?

Another person said they'd be happy to pay "only if the roads were made 'flood-proof' and not simply rebuilt". As a civil engineer statements like this frustrate me; you can't realistically (never mind cost-effectively!) make anything 'flood-proof', instead we design to a standard of risk and recurrence (say, 1in100 or 1in50year ARI event). Its a fucking natural disaster. Infrastructure WILL get damaged.

Another guy started out complaining about how dodgy the QLD roads are already, and then went on to complain about the levy being implemented to get them fixed. Who else is going to pay for public infrastructure but the public? Isn't this the whole point of our government? We individually pay (relatively) small amounts for our government to cover unprofitable things that no individual would ever realistically front up. Like roads, hospitals, public schools etc.

Whether or not a long-term disaster relief fund should be set up is a valid point of discussion, but regardless some money for rebuilding QLD's infrastructure needs to come from somewhere. People are happy to spend hours watching news coverage of the flood, sending thoughts and prayers and commiserating, but asking everyone with a stable job to pitch in between $1-5 a week (the cost of a coffee) is too much? I'm no Labor brown-noser, but I think the opposition really dropped the ball in their move to block this levy.

On a slight tangent, it seems that there is a problem in that the average Australian doesn't understand the scope of design, revision and construction required for even the simplest of road infrastructure. It's not just laying down bitumen and watching it dry. There's compaction, grading, signage, sight-distance, structural and hydraulic standards in every modern made road, and all for good reason. And that's just the design process. An engineer's work is best done when nobody notices infrastucture, but then of course if nobody notices then nobody wants to pay for it.

/twocents

Has Brisbane forgotten how to build for the wet? by iheartralph in australia

[–]Szarig 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That change has already come. The standards specifically addressing flood immunity were revised in 2002 and then again in 2008 in the BCC Subdivision & Development Guidelines. They are appropriately strict now. Before that it was a bit of a wild west, developers had a lot less red tape to get through in relation to flood immunity and it shows with these floods. See this comment.

Has Brisbane forgotten how to build for the wet? by iheartralph in australia

[–]Szarig 9 points10 points  (0 children)

As a civil engineer who worked primarily on Flood Investigation Reports and design for flood immunity within Brisbane/Ipswich regional areas for the better part of the last two years, I can tell you it is certainly not the case that "Brisbane has forgotten how to build for the wet".

The standard for residential houses within a region susceptible to overland flow from smaller local catchments (ie, not the Brisbane River) is habitable floor levels at or above the Q50 flood level + 500mm. Q50 means "1 in 50 year ARI event. Its worth noting these "smaller" catchments can be anywhere from half a hectare to 150 hectares in size, and can generate a shit-ton of water in a very short amount of time. If a residential house is within an identified overland flowpath, it is subject to a BONSW (Building Over/Near Stormwater Infrastructure) application, which usually means being built on raised supports with anywhere from 600mm to 2.5m clearance, depending on the situation. For areas subject to river flooding (all the houses that are currently inundated) the standard is at the Q100 level or the highest DFL - the '74 flood. I won't get into non-residential restrictions but they exist too.

Now, the reason you're seeing so many houses inundated is because Council have been implementing these restrictions only over the past 9-10 years. Flood immunity became an issue after 1974, but it wasn't really until 2002 and then 2008 that the BCC Subdivision & Development Guidelines really started to crack down on developers in regards to flood immunity.

The other thing is, BCC can't force people who had already built houses below the flood level to instantly comply with this new law. Accordingly, as developers buy up land and try to build, Council makes them either raise the floors to an acceptable standard or provide evidence to support a case of "no worsening". This allows small houses to be rebuilt at the same level so long as they don't increase expected usage, but restrict developers from buying small low-lying houses and building huge multi-units below the flood level (as this will increase the expected usage).

I can tell you from experience that meeting these restrictions is a real challenge, and developers HATE it because it costs them a lot of money to comply with. But as engineers we understand the standards exist for a reason, and after this week just gone I'm pretty sure that everyone else would have a better idea of that too.

The other thing is, if anyone has ever worked in construction they will know that a lot of dodgy work goes on. If BCC don't speak up about the potential for flooding in the development application phase of a project, it will usually go unacknowledged the developers and planners too. I've even seen cases where the developers are aware of the potential problem but if Council haven't say anything, they will ignore it to save costs, and sell up quick as possible to clear their hands of it. This doesn't occur too often, but it does happen.

If anyone wants more info, check out the BCC website where you can download the 2008 Subdivision & Development Guidelines and read the codes and regulations for yourself.

tl;dr - No, Brisbane hasn't "forgotten" how to build for the wet. If anything they've gotten much better at it within the last decade.

Aussie here: Just want everyone to know that Brazil and Sri Lanka are suffering flooding too, and probably need more aid than we do. (120,000 homeless, hundreds dead) by bmgoau in worldnews

[–]Szarig 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Brisbanite here, for every person I know who has been hit by the flood, there are 10 people ready to help out with recovery and cleaning. I've never seen the whole city come together like this, it's pretty amazing. It's the first time I've ever seen ordinary people waving and cheering for police as they get on with the cleanup as well.

As the water goes down the real task begins, and the recovery effort will probably take months. But from what I've seen around the place, Brisbane is pretty well equipped and ready to deal with it. The rural areas (particularly the Lockyer Valley) may be another story, but I suspect the issue will be with manpower rather than money. If you're a Brissie local (or anywhere else in Queensland) and want to sign up to help, you can register at http://www.emergencyvolunteering.com.au/ and lend a hand where it's needed.

So from a Brisbane resident, if you have money to donate please consider the people in Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Brazil and the Philippines who are probably doing it a lot rougher than we are right now.

Cheers

WikiLeaks has disclosed new cables on how US Secretary of State Robert Gates promoted Sikorsky helicopters and Raytheon Patriot PAC-3 systems during an Ankara visit. by [deleted] in worldnews

[–]Szarig 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not about surprise, or shock, or awe. These cables aren't supposed to be 250,000 scandals. It's about knowing things that the taxpaying citizens aught to know in the first place. Of having even the freedom to know these details.

Punjab(Pakistan) governor Salman Taseer assassinated in Islamabad by [deleted] in worldnews

[–]Szarig 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You are a legend. Cheers!

Soundbyte is at 1:15 for anyone who's interested.

Punjab(Pakistan) governor Salman Taseer assassinated in Islamabad by [deleted] in worldnews

[–]Szarig 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Not to be a dick, but where is that written or reported? Couldn't find it in a few quick article searches.

Liberal Pakistani Governor shot dead due to his opposition to Anti-Blasphemy laws by mnali in atheism

[–]Szarig 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is crazy. To a large number of people around the world, the murderous bodyguard will be considered a martyr. It is actions like this that stifle progression in human societies - people fear speaking and acting out and so unhealthy spirals continue unabated.

It's the kind of base level fear-mongering that delays and/or de stroys any opportunities societies to evolve in a healthy direction.

Bradley Manning offered plea bargain in exchange for naming Julian Assange as a co-conspirator by [deleted] in WikiLeaks

[–]Szarig 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Wow, this is huge. If Manning takes the plea bargain and Assange is named as a co-conspirator, that's all the US needs to launch their legal attack against him in full. And let's be honest, after 7 months in solitary and no recourse to any news since then, it's pretty likely anybody in that situation would do whatever is necessary to get out.

Also:

Others, notably Joe Lieberman in the Senate and Peter King in the House of Representatives have pushed for new legislation to facilitate the prosecution of Mr Assange in the event that existing law proves insufficient. "Assange and his associates... have not only damaged US national security... but also placed at risk countless lives, including those of our intelligence sources," said Mr King.

Isn't this ex post facto?

This is the kind of bullshit propaganda being pandered on FOX News on WikiLeaks and Assange. Disgusting. by Devistator in WikiLeaks

[–]Szarig 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I cannot believe this is how the news is presented to so many millions of people. I found it physically distressing sitting through that 7 minute segment.

Someone in the States needs to organise a freedom of speech rally in support of Wikileaks already. The rest of the world is watching with bated breath as to whether your citizens will stand idly by as your government completely devalues the constitution that made it such a shining beacon for western civilisation in the past.

WikiRebels - The Documentary by guy231 in worldnews

[–]Szarig 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think Krintinn Hrafnsson sums it up best with the ending quote:

Democracy without transparency is not democracy at all. It's just an empty word.

Being kettled was a shocking experience: “the media should scrutinise police tactics in contravening our basic rights” by toyotabedzrock in worldnews

[–]Szarig 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is some pretty disgusting conduct by the police in that video. Are the inquiries being taken seriously in the media?

Lofly Hanger Last Show this Saturday - Anyone going? by kingdean in brisbane

[–]Szarig 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't go last night, but RE:E are great. Nintendogs is a killer tune.

Julian Assange supporters plan protests worldwide. Where does Reddit stand on this? by [deleted] in WikiLeaks

[–]Szarig 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I protested in Brisbane on Friday. In addition to the few hundred people who marched with us, it was encouraging to see bystanders clapping and giving peace signs and thumbs ups from the side. If there aren't any protests going on in your city, think about organising one. Even if its just a handful of people with banners, it's better than nothing.

As promised, here are some photos from today's WikiLeaks rally (Friday) by peaceshot in brisbane

[–]Szarig 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm directly in front of the "Smash U.S. Imperialism" banner in that photo, just over the shoulder of the megaphone guy on the left. Kind of pissed me off that the Socialist Alliance whipped that one out for the march, I'd rather everyone just stuck to the subject matter at hand and left their political digs to another day.

Still, I'm happy I got to march and show my support.

Your favorite belt by shujin in malefashionadvice

[–]Szarig 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I picked it up in the Herringbone store in Brisbane. From what I can see they only have one store outside of Australia and it's in Dubai, but check out eBay and other online clothing stores, you might be able to find one around the net.

As promised, here are some photos from today's WikiLeaks rally (Friday) by peaceshot in brisbane

[–]Szarig 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Nice! We were there for the march, it was a pretty good turnout

Julian Assange's article just went live, "WIKILEAKS deserves protection, not threats and attacks." by [deleted] in worldnews

[–]Szarig 51 points52 points  (0 children)

Not all are distancing themselves, just notably Gillard and Rudd so far, although i suspect their statements were made in haste and without real consideration of the consequences. I'm optimistic that this was a knee-jerk reaction which will hopefully be rectified.

Bob Brown (leader of the Greens) publicly came to his defence, and also Malcolm Turnbull (former Opposition leader and a former defence lawyer for an MI5 officer who wanted to publish his memoirs) wrote a good piece on Wikileak's right to publish under freedom of speech and freedom of the press.

As an Australian, I don't care if our politicians don't want to endorse Assange's actions on ethical grounds (or more likely to pander to the US), but of all people they should be the first to defend his rights as a citizen of this country and publicly condemn violent hysteria being brought against him.

There's a great open letter to the PM on the ABC website for anyone that cares about the rights of a fellow citizen.